Moblin Major General Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Glennstavos said: When you try to engage with your folks on politics, you can feel the rift opening up between you with each word out of your mouth. But damn it at least try. These people are capable of reason. If they use facts, counter with your own facts. If they use appeals to emotion, counter with your own. It's so important to show these people we all live in the same reality no matter what our respective bubbles say. Some aren't voters, but cultists. You can't reason with some of them. You have to deprogram them so they can understand how much damage he has done to their psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Excellen Browning said: being for a state monopoly on violence has exactly zero to do with being socialist or not. Socialism advocates for social control over various sectors of the economy. Republicans might not agree with socialism as a whole, but Republicans are no doubt espousing extremely hard core socialist ideoleogy in regards to security. In that narrow sense, Republicans are no different from the socialists that they so despise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 It's not that he's an 100% Trump supporter, it's mostly that he's mildly convinced that Biden will somehow ruin the country with what I've already told you guys. Plus, he also thinks that Biden is going senile. But the only way to be sure is to just to wait and see what happens in the next few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I'm not advocating for ambushing Stop the Vote protesters on the streets and engaging in philosophical polemics with strangers. I'm saying talk to your parents. These are the people who raised you. The few people on the planet who care what happens no matter how much you screw up your life. The least you can do is offer an honest discussion on things that probably affect none of you even in the grand scheme of things. You'll see each other more like people than the brainwashed "other side" that your bubbles talk about all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Armchair General said: It's not that he's an 100% Trump supporter, it's mostly that he's mildly convinced that Biden will somehow ruin the country with what I've already told you guys. Plus, he also thinks that Biden is going senile. But the only way to be sure is to just to wait and see what happens in the next few months. Biden's gaffes and apparent mental acuity does not inspire confidence, I can see that. However, Trump gets a pass despite how frequently he demonstrates how senile he is as well as how angry and child-like he is because that's what the right-wing media aims to do: project Trump's and the Republicans' own issues onto the other side and exacerbate it when it's on display by the opposing side. Edited November 5, 2020 by Dr. Tarrasque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Armchair General said: It's not that he's an 100% Trump supporter, it's mostly that he's mildly convinced that Biden will somehow ruin the country with what I've already told you guys. Plus, he also thinks that Biden is going senile. But the only way to be sure is to just to wait and see what happens in the next few months. Sigh. There's a good chance the GOP remains in charge of the senate to block Biden's potential commie agenda and the GOP will keep it's state legislative dominance to draw the next decade's redistricting lines. But sure, we'll just have to wait and see what happens to make absolutely sure he's wrong. Edited November 5, 2020 by Crysta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ping Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I mean, there's a discussion to be had how the US voting system makes it nigh impossible for any third party to come up (although I have to add that I'm not too knowledgable how it works outside of the presidential election). I'm convinced that a lot of Biden voters didn't love voting for him, either, but the "winner takes all" nature of the election means that peope can often just vote for the lesser evil or throw their vote away. And of course, that only makes the strategy of demonizing your political opponent all the more effective, since only a vote for Trump is a vote against the babyeating nazicommunists. :puke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I have yet to find a third party that wasn't comprised of political refugees who have weird hodgepodge political views and very little ideological coherence. And it feels like people throw them votes when the other two political parties are too mainstream evil without seriously looking into their actual platform. In other words, our environment is not at all friendly to third party options... but our third party options also generally suck to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Nevada is pretty much going to Biden. AP and Fox News probably won't call it because they already called Arizona for Biden early unlike other outlets and would need to call a Biden win if that's the case. They don't want to look foolish by doing that and then having to retract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I don't know, unlike the opinion side of Fox News the actual reporters/analysts may be confident enough to go out on that limb again. We'll see, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 98-99% of Georgia is in. Looks like Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, and Gwinett are blue areas with 95% accounted for, Chatham is 87% in, the rest are higher in reporting. I'm not liking this. 😧 Trump still leads by more than 9000. Arizona remains uncertain, PA is so slow. 😟 -Though I admit I have nerves of made of mercury. Edited November 5, 2020 by Interdimensional Observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrurian emperor Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) In the first minute of Trump's press conference he already said the worst things he could say. ''If you count the legal votes I win'' ''If you count the ''illegal'' votes they win'' He won't accept his defeat. If this doesn't whip his cult into a frenzy I'd be very surprised. Edited November 5, 2020 by Etrurian emperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said: 98-99% of Georgia is in. Looks like Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, and Gwinett are blue areas with 95% accounted for, Chatham is 87% in, the rest are higher in reporting. I'm not liking this. 😧 Trump still leads by more than 9000. Arizona remains uncertain, PA is so slow. 😟 -Though I admit I have nerves of made of mercury. stop looking at the total numbers and start looking at where the vote is coming from it's a difference of roughly 4000 votes right now. unless those votes miraculously evaporate or somehow a deep blue city turns bright red, biden has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Crysta said: it's a difference of roughly 4000 votes right now. unless those votes miraculously evaporate or somehow a deep blue city turns bright red, biden has it. It would still be by extremely razor thin margins though, and that is kind of nerve racking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, XRay said: It would still be by extremely razor thin margins though, and that is kind of nerve racking. georgia was never meant to be in play to begin with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrurian emperor Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, XRay said: It would still be by extremely razor thin margins though, and that is kind of nerve racking. I heard the votes required for Trump to win in Arizona are higher than the votes that still remain to be counted in Arizona. Though I certainly wouldn't quite me on it. But its certainly really weird. Everyone was sure Arizona was seized by Biden but that was an error and now its a razor thin margin. Exiting! (Edit though now I hear somewhere Trump is over performing in Arizona. Ugh this is getting confusing) Edited November 6, 2020 by Etrurian emperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) az wasn't meant to be in play, either i don't know how else i can phrase it to drive home the fact that this is objectively a good thing EDIT: for context obama didn't even manage to get arizona and georgia we didn't regain iowa and ohio, but we've regained enough to seal the deal by more than what we need EDIT again: The great freak out begins! Edited November 6, 2020 by Crysta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, Crysta said: az wasn't meant to be in play, either i don't know how else i can phrase it to drive home the fact that this is objectively a good thing In the long run, maybe it is a good thing, if the Democrats learn how to capitalize on this and build on their gains here come the next presidential election. But thats the next election, which could be very very very bad and difficult to win if Biden loses this one, due to the thorough destruction of democracy. Putting a state in play is nice, but you don't hold elections for the fun of it, if you don't win, then the play was for utter naught. Though I see your point. 30 minutes ago, Crysta said: it's a difference of roughly 4000 votes right now. unless those votes miraculously evaporate or somehow a deep blue city turns bright red, biden has it. It has narrowed? Thank you for the update. Though I concede I'm the kind of person who triple-sextuple checks my multiple choice fill-ins and the simplest of emails they've written to make absolutely sure they didn't make an egregious error somewhere. The premise of a miraculous stack of just enough Trump ballots that just so happen to not have been counted yet fills me with -irrational I admit- concern. If I'm going to be a worrywart, I shouldn't post so much in this topic. Though that won't stop me from revisiting here at 9:00PM after Arizona's next tranche (I like this word we never heard of before now) of votes comes in. -But it's too late into election week pre-potential court chaos for me to apologize for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 To be fair, AZ's situation likely has to do that Trump didn't exactly endear himself with AZ Republicans due to his attacks on McCain. Though time will tell if that argument holds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Look if you want to deny the validity of the information there so you can continue to stress out go right ahead, I guess. I can't make you feel good if you just refuse to. I just hope you realize you, yourself, aren't really giving due credit to a whole lot of people who knew the importance of showing up and did so even when the game was stacked against them just because of how miniscule a statistic seems. These were previously red states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Crysta said: Look if you want to deny the validity of the information there so you can continue to stress out go right ahead, I guess. I can't make you feel good if you just refuse to. True. I'll shaddup. Otherwise, if faced with probabilities based in evidence (that of course may not be perfect, but it's the best we've got) and I choose to ignore them, then am I different from a Trump supporter? Denying that the probability of spreading Covid-19 goes down when everyone is masked, is in principle the same ignorance, albeit from the opposite end of the expectations spectrum- it's unwarranted optimism instead of my heavy pessimism. 4 minutes ago, Crysta said: I just hope you realize you, yourself, aren't really giving due credit to a whole lot of people who knew the importance of showing up and did so even when the game was stacked against them just because of how miniscule a statistic seems. These were previously red states. You're quite right here, I'm sorry for brushing them aside with my concern over a victory. Even if the voters fail to bring forth a new dawn via their efforts to engage in democracy, there is something very, very honorable in "twilight valor", a valiant struggle made against all odds which ultimately ended in defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said: You're quite right here, I'm sorry for brushing them aside with my concern over a victory. Even if the voters fail to bring forth a new dawn via their efforts to engage in democracy, there is something very, very honorable in "twilight valor", a valiant struggle made against all odds which ultimately ended in defeat. it's okay I'm gonna go have fun drinking the conservative tears on twitter i tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) doomerposting is natural to the left, do not mind it i fully expect to see georgia flip and nevada hold. it's a win at that point, and it's not even worth worrying about arizona. and pennsylvania is 65K away right now with strong democrat areas remaining so I think Biden will probably flip it too. trump lost. Edited November 6, 2020 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Crysta said: it's okay I'm gonna go have fun drinking the conservative tears on twitter i tried Thanks.🤣 I think I'll get to playing a round of Civilization VI for now. I'll be playing as Eleanor of Aquitaine, whose unique ability allows the great works of art she owns to inflict increased loyalty pressure on nearby cities of rival empires, causing them to eventually give in and eventually flip to her empire. -I swear the election did not consciously influence my choice in this matter.🙂 And uh, no duh, but studies show that the results of an election do have an impact on your health. After the 2012 election Republicans, 60% of whom said they were happy in the days before the results, dropped to 30% after it. The happiness drop was quantified as greater than the Boston Marathon bombing's happiness impact on Bostonians. The effect went away after a week; though for the 2016 elections, those who voted for Clinton felt a decreased overall life satisfaction (distinct from pleasure) that lasted for months more like years. https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/11/how-deal-2020-election-anxiety-and-depression/616989/ Edited November 6, 2020 by Interdimensional Observer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Georgia is down to a mere 2,500 votes! ...Still in Trump's favor but it may well tip if the votes haven't run out. Meanwhile Pennsylvania is looking sunnier, with Biden finally within a percentage point and a wider margin for improvement. Nevada and Arizona have been stable, as has North Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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