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53 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:

I think the word is jaded.

Which is also something of a strategy sometimes. Make your opponent jaded enough to stop bothering in trying to stop you.

He's made me jaded to the extent where I stop picking and choosing his cuntery; I just want to nuke it all at once.

  

18 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

Thats the part  that surprises me. I thought they were better then that.

I think this extremity is where I differ from people. I've always known and felt they were fuckfaces, assholes, and pieces of shit -- but this year made people go from "stop being so partisan" to "oh, yeah, fuck cocaine mitch."

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2 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

Thats the part  that surprises me. I thought they were better then that.

None of it surprised me. What does annoy me is how good the Democrats are at submitting to the Republicans. As you've said before, "Never underestimate the Democrats' ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory".

It should be obvious that the Republican party needs to cease existence but it is so difficult to get some people to see that given the Democrats' own corruption as it is true, both parties are corrupt and most people will just stop there and fail to see the differences in the extent of their corruption.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

None of it surprised me. What does annoy me is how good the Democrats are at submitting to the Republicans. As you've said before, "Never underestimate the Democrats' ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory".

It should be obvious that the Republican party needs to cease existence but it is so difficult to get some people to see that given the Democrats' own corruption as it is true, both parties are corrupt and most people will just stop there and fail to see the differences in the extent of their corruption.

I think part of the reason it even happens in the first place is because any party that would oppose the Republican party still has to push the Republican Party and many of the dumbasses that red hatted the party up a hill. This is a solid chunk of the country that will never go away and preaches fiscal responsibility, then just don't pay attention when their elected congress do the exact opposite.

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16 hours ago, Lord Raven said:

Seriously, where the ever living fuck are those red hats from earlier in this thread? I know at least two are banned. I distinctly remember someone laughing because those damn ivory tower academics were punched down a peg or two. And "conservatives are tough" was another line I recall, except they pardon all their cronies after they lose an election lol. Do they just laugh at this thread? Are they just off the board because someone couldn't stand to be called out for wanting a Muslim ban because of the Pulse nightclub shooting? For a bunch of tough guys, they're sure unwilling to answer for their dear emperor.

Perhaps being yelled at repeatedly was enough for them to get lost.  Or we might've banned them.  But I don't think it's an accident that those who haven't been banned just so happen to think that Trump is terrible.

I think conservatives with a conscience need to break from the Republican party, and make another party.  Yes, it'll split the vote, but is that worse than supporting outright hate?

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The weird thing is I think the people who were arguing with the red hats back then were much, much more harsh and sardonic than the ones who are still here.

I went back to find my 2016 predictions and it was pretty much skewering after skewering and they still persisted. I think they just got bored/tired and moved on after the win.

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9 hours ago, Crysta said:

The weird thing is I think the people who were arguing with the red hats back then were much, much more harsh and sardonic than the ones who are still here.

I went back to find my 2016 predictions and it was pretty much skewering after skewering and they still persisted. I think they just got bored/tired and moved on after the win.

Mod style was a bit different four years ago, too.  So was the general political climate.  Stuff that could be seen as a joke in 2016 may not fly so well these days.

Time goes on.  Which reminds me, happy new year, and may the political climate shift towards compromise rather than divisiveness!

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11 hours ago, Crysta said:

The weird thing is I think the people who were arguing with the red hats back then were much, much more harsh and sardonic than the ones who are still here.

I went back to find my 2016 predictions and it was pretty much skewering after skewering and they still persisted. I think they just got bored/tired and moved on after the win.

It might be better for us really, there's a lot of young kids here and some of them said things in the exact way to make things sound reasonable. Or to rile teenagers up against others, which they're already prone to. I know for a fact that i had that boiling feeling in my head when I read a lot of comments about Islam four years back.

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The whole stop the steal thing is just a matter of honest principle. Its not a way to steal the election. Trump would be just as angry if his side magically produced 1178 votes for him. He certainly would never actively work to have that arranged or anything. Oh wait... 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

 

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1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

The whole stop the steal thing is just a matter of honest principle. Its not a way to steal the election. Trump would be just as angry if his side magically produced 1178 votes for him. He certainly would never actively work to have that arranged or anything. Oh wait... 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

 

GAWDS!!! Why are some people such STUPID SORE LOSERS!!!??? (Severa's voice just popped into my head.)

Anyways, I really want New York to nail that dumb senile fart right in the crotch with tax fraud, and then roast his bacon with criminal corruption charges on trying to overturn the election.

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The Democrats are such fucking pussies.  If Biden says 'let's move on', I'm moving on from him.  I'm not voting in 2024 if the Democrats don't punish these fuckers as much as possible.  Have they never dealt with a bully?  Did they all go to private schools where everyone is superbly behaved?  Are they masochists that get off on being stepped on?

I'm starting to hate Democrats as much as Republicans.  These are the soft cowards that are going to run are country?  

When those dumb traitorous bastards during the EC count refuse to accept them, every Democrat should shout their heads off at these bitches.  There is no conversation to be had.  Also start another impeachment on Trump for his phone call today.  

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35 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

The Democrats are such fucking pussies.  If Biden says 'let's move on', I'm moving on from him.  I'm not voting in 2024 if the Democrats don't punish these fuckers as much as possible.  Have they never dealt with a bully?  Did they all go to private schools where everyone is superbly behaved?  Are they masochists that get off on being stepped on?

I'm starting to hate Democrats as much as Republicans.  These are the soft cowards that are going to run are country?  

When those dumb traitorous bastards during the EC count refuse to accept them, every Democrat should shout their heads off at these bitches.  There is no conversation to be had.  Also start another impeachment on Trump for his phone call today.  

Vote for the Greens!

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23 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Vote for the Greens!

no

if republicans are ever control all three branches of the government again -- and it usually does swing back every two years -- they are 100% overturning a presidential election they don't win 

there is no reality in which democrats are as bad as republicans no matter how cynical and frustrated you are

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2 hours ago, Lewyn said:

The Democrats are such fucking pussies.  If Biden says 'let's move on', I'm moving on from him.  I'm not voting in 2024 if the Democrats don't punish these fuckers as much as possible.  Have they never dealt with a bully?  Did they all go to private schools where everyone is superbly behaved?  Are they masochists that get off on being stepped on?

I'm starting to hate Democrats as much as Republicans.  These are the soft cowards that are going to run are country?  

When those dumb traitorous bastards during the EC count refuse to accept them, every Democrat should shout their heads off at these bitches.  There is no conversation to be had.  Also start another impeachment on Trump for his phone call today.  

If this is your view, then I'm kicking you out of Serious Discussion.  This "both sides" bullshit needs to stop.

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2 hours ago, Jotari said:

Vote for the Greens!

I love the green party.  Wish we weren't stuck in a two party system.

1 hour ago, Crysta said:

no

if republicans are ever control all three branches of the government again -- and it usually does swing back every two years -- they are 100% overturning a presidential election they don't win 

there is no reality in which democrats are as bad as republicans no matter how cynical and frustrated you are

 

38 minutes ago, eclipse said:

If this is your view, then I'm kicking you out of Serious Discussion.  This "both sides" bullshit needs to stop.

Both sides aren't the same.  The Republicans are destroying Democracy, norms, and trying to institute one party rule.  The Democrats aren't trying to do that.  

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".  Perhaps there are many Republicans who are so scared of losing power that they bow to Trump, however the Democrats...the opposition party why do they do so as well? They say it is silly or ridiculous, and then Biden and others are like 'let's just move on, and unite the country'.  They are just inviting Trump and his followers to continue to push the envelope farther.  There has to be consequences.  I am embarrassed with how soft many Democrats are.  We elect them for their policy and to defend the country from threats outside and within.  Trump and the fascist wing of the GOP that applaud him, or even the ones so loyal and afraid they allow him to do whatever he wants are the biggest threat within.  Why should I support a party that just cowers and waits for the danger to go away. HInt, it isn't going away once Trump leaves office, he commands the biggest proportion of the GOP voters still and future candidates and Congresspeople will be beholden to his way of doing things and try to use the same rhetoric.  The only way to make it go away is to punish Trump as much as possible and those elected officials that follow him. 

34 minutes ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Full audio of Trump trying to get the Georgia Secretary of state to basically hand over the state to him in the election.

Yup that is what I listened to today, and why I posted.  Disgusting, but Trump's dumb cult probably doesn't give a shit. 

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1 minute ago, Lewyn said:

Both sides aren't the same.  The Republicans are destroying Democracy, norms, and trying to institute one party rule.  The Democrats aren't trying to do that.  

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".  Perhaps there are many Republicans who are so scared of losing power that they bow to Trump, however the Democrats...the opposition party why do they do so as well? They say it is silly or ridiculous, and then Biden and others are like 'let's just move on, and unite the country'.  They are just inviting Trump and his followers to continue to push the envelope farther.  There has to be consequences.  I am embarrassed with how soft many Democrats are.  We elect them for their policy and to defend the country from threats outside and within.  Trump and the fascist wing of the GOP that applaud him, or even the ones so loyal and afraid they allow him to do whatever he wants are the biggest threat within.  Why should I support a party that just cowers and waits for the danger to go away. HInt, it isn't going away once Trump leaves office, he commands the biggest proportion of the GOP voters still and future candidates and Congresspeople will be beholden to his way of doing things and try to use the same rhetoric.  The only way to make it go away is to punish Trump as much as possible and those elected officials that follow him.

And you contradicted yourself.  So one more time. Cut the "both sides" bullshit.  Biden hasn't even taken up office yet.

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13 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".  Perhaps there are many Republicans who are so scared of losing power that they bow to Trump, however the Democrats...the opposition party why do they do so as well? They say it is silly or ridiculous, and then Biden and others are like 'let's just move on, and unite the country'.  They are just inviting Trump and his followers to continue to push the envelope farther.  There has to be consequences.  I am embarrassed with how soft many Democrats are.  We elect them for their policy and to defend the country from threats outside and within.  Trump and the fascist wing of the GOP that applaud him, or even the ones so loyal and afraid they allow him to do whatever he wants are the biggest threat within.  Why should I support a party that just cowers and waits for the danger to go away. HInt, it isn't going away once Trump leaves office, he commands the biggest proportion of the GOP voters still and future candidates and Congresspeople will be beholden to his way of doing things and try to use the same rhetoric.  The only way to make it go away is to punish Trump as much as possible and those elected officials that follow him. 

Yup that is what I listened to today, and why I posted.  Disgusting, but Trump's dumb cult probably doesn't give a shit. 

you do realize that even if the democrat party was chock full of raving progessives and socialists that agree with you 100% of the time they still wouldn't get much done, right?

do you really want to try to impeach him within two weeks? you really think that's a productive use of their time?

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I definitely think "Biden hasn't even assumed office yet" bears repeating many times over until Inauguration Day. A lot of people are impressing their own pessimistic idea of what "healing" means in Biden's America. That democrats will roll over for the GOP, and make prudently few policy decisions. Or even that Biden would deliver Trump a pardon that literally no republican or democrat is asking him to do unironically. Have a little faith that democrats will try something, rather than lamenting their supposed defeat before any of them have assumed office.

15 minutes ago, Crysta said:

do you really want to try to impeach him within two weeks? you really think that's a productive use of their time?

I'd be down for this, in light of this new scandal. What better "repudiation of Trump" could you ask for, then a second impeachment? And who on the right would defend the lame duck president enough to prevent a vote for removal? Trump's friendship is now officially worthless. Sure Congress could theoretically do "something better with their time" once they resume session this week, but unless they secure that Senate tie, I can't think of anything they would attempt that can pass.

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27 minutes ago, Glennstavos said:

And who on the right would defend the lame duck president enough to prevent a vote for removal? Trump's friendship is now officially worthless. 

All, if not most, of them.

Trump's friendship is not politically worthless: there is a reason why they're spearheading the latest attempt to overturn the election even though they know it's not going to work. They want his voters if he doesn't run in 2024, and if he does, they want to be his benefactors.

It's not going to end any differently than it did before.

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Impeaching Trump a second time would be fun if you're doing it just for shits and giggles, but realistically it's not going to affect anything. The House may have the votes to impeach him, but I'd be extremely surprised 2/3 of the Senate voted to remove him.

There's really nothing to gain from impeaching Trump again, unless you REALLY want him to go down in history books as the first (and currently only) president to be impeached twice or something.

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5 hours ago, Lewyn said:

The Democrats are such fucking pussies.  If Biden says 'let's move on', I'm moving on from him.  I'm not voting in 2024 if the Democrats don't punish these fuckers as much as possible.  Have they never dealt with a bully?  Did they all go to private schools where everyone is superbly behaved?  Are they masochists that get off on being stepped on?

I'm starting to hate Democrats as much as Republicans.  These are the soft cowards that are going to run are country?  

When those dumb traitorous bastards during the EC count refuse to accept them, every Democrat should shout their heads off at these bitches.  There is no conversation to be had.  Also start another impeachment on Trump for his phone call today.  

Cynicism is bad for your brains, your health and your worldview

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13 hours ago, Sunwoo said:

Impeaching Trump a second time would be fun if you're doing it just for shits and giggles, but realistically it's not going to affect anything. The House may have the votes to impeach him, but I'd be extremely surprised 2/3 of the Senate voted to remove him.

There's really nothing to gain from impeaching Trump again, unless you REALLY want him to go down in history books as the first (and currently only) president to be impeached twice or something.

 

12 hours ago, Excellen Browning said:

It'd perhaps prevent another bunch of extremely shitty pardons 

Exactly humiliation and letting the American Hitler know there is push back.  That is enough.  Of course the GOP would never remove them, that doesn't mean you let Trump do whatever the fuck he wants.  

Seems some House Dems have called on the FBI to investigate the phone call and others for election crimes.  That is at least something.  

Trumpism is a cancer on America and must be completely rooted out through legal consequences or at least severe political consequences.  Rolling over and saying it is okay, or just silly just empowers these bastards.

Biden isn't inaugurated yet, but why isn't he speaking up against this shit?  He is downplaying it and saying inauguration will happen like always. No big deal, let's move on.  He has claimed previously he doesn't want the DOJ to focus on Trump, he wants to move on.  He thinks Trump and his dumbass cult is going to go away if we just pretend it never happened and just move forward.  What an idiot.

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13 hours ago, Sunwoo said:

There's really nothing to gain from impeaching Trump again, unless you REALLY want him to go down in history books as the first (and currently only) president to be impeached twice or something.

Donald Trump is already going in the history books as an impeached one-term president who lost the popular vote twice. Never hit a majority approval rating. And all-at-once presided over the worst economic losses since 1929, the worst civil unrest since 1968, and the worst public health disaster since 1918.

With or without a last-minute second impeachment: he'll be remembered as a failure of historic proportions who brought his country to a place of weakness nigh-imaginable from the day his predecessor left office.
 

16 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Full audio of Trump trying to get the Georgia Secretary of state to basically hand over the state to him in the election.

In the words of Senator Susan Collins, voting no on impeachment:

"I think he's learned his lesson" 

Opens the door to yet another potential criminal charge after he leaves office. (whats on that tape alone is enough to bring an indictment for solicitation to commit election fraud, if he wasn't facing one thats gonna put him away already)

But I gotta think the New York Attorney general's office is still gonna get the first bite at that apple.

They hired a forensic accountant to go through his business organization.

You do that if you're preparing a case for tax evasion and money laundering. 

 

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