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Which is why I called Bernie a pseudo-socialist.

You can't just make up words. Bernie Sanders is a socialist. End of story.

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it's an economic system where the means of production are democratically owned by society instead of privately owned by an elite.

In theory.

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uh guys, socialism isn't "stuff the government does or gives." it's an economic system where the means of production are democratically owned by society instead of privately owned by an elite. socialist movements seek to abolish capitalism. you can't have a "combination of socialism and capitalism."

Isn't that more akin to Syndicalism? The democracy I mean. Socialism ideally IIRC aims to guide society away from Capitalism and then have an anarchist society.

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Isn't that more akin to Syndicalism? The democracy I mean. Socialism ideally IIRC aims to guide society away from Capitalism and then have an anarchist society.

syndicalism, from what I understand, is the idea that the workplace is a microcosm of society, and a general strike across all the workplaces would bring down the system, and from there society would be organized by worker cooperatives in a horizontal network. so it's more like a tactic for socialism.

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syndicalism, from what I understand, is the idea that the workplace is a microcosm of society, and a general strike across all the workplaces would bring down the system, and from there society would be organized by worker cooperatives in a horizontal network. so it's more like a tactic for socialism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

Nope, apparently. Although I wasn't exactly right either.

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"Syndicalism" is also used to refer to the political movement (praxis) and the tactic of bringing about this social arrangement, typically expounded by anarcho-syndicalism and De Leonism. It aims to achieve a general strike, a workers' outward refusal of their current modes of production, followed by organisation into federations of trade unions, such as the CNT. Throughout its history, the reformist section of syndicalism has been overshadowed by its revolutionary section, typified by the Federación Anarquista Ibérica section of the CNT.[2]

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Hillary Clinton is imploding with less than 2 months to go.

This is glorious.

In 49 days, Donald Trump is either voted to be the President of the United States or loses. Both sound amazingly impossible.

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That's why I said not to take too much comfort in the polls 3-4 months out. Still could change in this time but Hillary pretty much blew the lead she had after Trump said some very dumb things. Trump is probably the most beatable candidate in US history and Hillary struggles to do so and is polled to be less trustworthy than Trump , which is pretty pathetic.

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That's why I said not to take too much comfort in the polls 3-4 months out. Still could change in this time but Hillary pretty much blew the lead she had after Trump said some very dumb things. Trump is probably the most beatable candidate in US history and Hillary struggles to do so and is polled to be less trustworthy than Trump , which is pretty pathetic.

She is less trustworthy than Trump but that's neither here nor there. But she is the politician and should have beaten him easily.

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Hillary Clinton is imploding with less than 2 months to go.

Pardon me, I'm not American, so I need to ask what has happened. What do you mean by implode? Is it related to the explosions in Manhattan?

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Pardon me, I'm not American, so I need to ask what has happened. What do you mean by implode? Is it related to the explosions in Manhattan?

Everything.

Birtherism. Her reaction to the bombings and CNN blatantly trying to edit material to bash Trump. Her health. The Clinton Foundation. The private server.

Nothing she says sounds remotely truthful, even if it is.

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But if she loses, it will be everyone's fault but her own.

Yeah, this election was always the Democrat's to lose. If they do manage to lose, I expect a lot of finger pointing; Bernie, the third-party candidates, you name it.

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First debate is in one week, btw.

I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump.

The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates.

I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'".

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Nate Silver has been wrong multiple times in the past, to be fair, including Trump winning the primary.

Still, it isn't a mistake to describe the situation as volatile. You know that if Hillary wins, that the legitimacy of the election will continually be questioned afterwards as opposed to when Romney lost (outside of his own camp, who didn't believe they would).

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I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump.

The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates.

I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'".

There's no way she can skip out on the debate without significant drawback; it would make her look absolutely pathetic, and any excuse would be easy to see through. Her media sycophants would have a very difficult time spinning it.

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There's no way she can skip out on the debate without significant drawback; it would make her look absolutely pathetic, and any excuse would be easy to see through. Her media sycophants would have a very difficult time spinning it.

Pretty much. Regardless of how you think she'd fare in a debate, it'd be much worse for her to not show up at all.

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One other thing to keep in mind:

"Assange: I will not reveal the exact date but I can promise you this, I Will Bring Hillary Down Before The Debate Stage On September 26th."

Soon we'll see if he can back up his talk.

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The fact that Clinton is suddenly hemorrhaging black voter support is certainly something "new", by my reckoning. It needs to be watched to see if it's just a blip or the start of a trend, obviously though.

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One other thing to keep in mind:

"Assange: I will not reveal the exact date but I can promise you this, I Will Bring Hillary Down Before The Debate Stage On September 26th."

Soon we'll see if he can back up his talk.

I doubt we'll see anything before next Monday, but I suspect we'll definitely see some stuff in October. That's the month where everything gets crazy.

Whatever he's got, it better be good.

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Everything.

Birtherism.

I'm sorry that you have selective reading, but I shouldn't be surprised seeing as this is a trend from your posts in this entire board.

Her reaction to the bombings and CNN blatantly trying to edit material to bash Trump.

How is CNN remotely relevant, and what the fuck was her reaction, what you posted in the other thread was incoherent (like half the stuff you post)

Her health.

Which is pristine compared to high cholesterol Oompa Loompa, I'm not sure why we harp on her for that lol

The Clinton Foundation.

Whether or not there is some sketchiness with the Clinton Foundation, it has done quite a lot, and the Trump Foundation has actually been under investigation.

EDIT: But maybe with tax returns we'd know, right? But they don't want to release them because they would detract from the campaign - everything he ever does detracts from the campaign.

The private server.

Search this thread, because this was refuted. Anything else brought up was simply heresay with very little behind it.

Nothing she says sounds remotely truthful, even if it is.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1206887309404321/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

(this is in response to everyone who says Hillary Clinton is a flip-flop btw)

it's amazing people vote for him, because he's arguably more corrupt and much much more of a liar

I'm not convinced that it is a good idea for Hillary to have a debate with Trump.

The whole idea is that Trump isn't going to stick to policies. So she can't beat him that way because A) her policies are atrocious and B) this election is not based on them whatsoever. So I can't say with any certainty that Hillary makes any significant change regarding debates.

I think her best move at this point would be to refuse to show up because "she refuses to give a platform to 'bigoted white supremicist America'".

um what the fuck are you talking about

She is less trustworthy than Trump but that's neither here nor there. But she is the politician and should have beaten him easily.

yes it is

this thread is about a presidential campaign that consists of both of them

how is hillary less trustworthy than trump

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