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Anybody else have a deep, dreadful pit in their stomach over the Epstein death? Barr is involved with the investigation of his death, which is being conducted by the Inspector General.

Nothing is going to get done, especially if there are more ties between Trump and Epstein than we already know of. The pedophile ringleader that peddled children to many of the American elite is now dead of very suspect circumstances. And the American elite are now looking into it. Nothing has made me this angry in years.

America is rotten.

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Barr being there means we can expect deflection from Trump to Bill and Hillary Clinton with more conspiracy theories. I wouldn't doubt that Trumpians are already spreading Conspiracy theories of how Bill Clinton is probably involved with Epstein's death because they were associates in the past while completely ignoring Trump.

Ex-GOP lawmaker: Vote out EVERY SINGLE Republican

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On 8/10/2019 at 6:07 PM, Slumber said:

Nothing is going to get done, especially if there are more ties between Trump and Epstein than we already know of. The pedophile ringleader that peddled children to many of the American elite is now dead of very suspect circumstances. And the American elite are now looking into it. Nothing has made me this angry in years.

America is rotten.

Two (2) days before he "killed himself" while under 24-7 suicide watch in a maximum security prison--where the official story is not a single guard noticed anything as he tied a noose + hung himself... 

A former Senator, a former governor, a multi-billionaire hedgefund manager, an MIT professor, a member of the British Royal Family, and a foreign prime minister were identified as individuals accused by Epstein's former sex slaves of using his human trafficking services to procure underaged girls.

...It wasn't just the American elite...

ALOT of very rich and very powerful people wanted this guy dead before he started talking.  
 

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Yea, I'm not happy with the mess surrounding Epstein's death. But for all we know it could be prison justice. Child molesters getting attacked or murdered isn't exactly unheard of in the US penal system. Or he could actually have just killed himself while the guards were asleep. 

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I ain't no conspiracy theorist.

But "Epstien was murdered in federal custody to prevent him from testifying against the politicians and billionaires who got girls from him" is one of the more plausible ones I've heard in a good while.   

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"Kill yourself or we will make you suffer" is also plausible.

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On 8/16/2019 at 12:25 PM, Shoblongoo said:

I ain't no conspiracy theorist.

But "Epstien was murdered in federal custody to prevent him from testifying against the politicians and billionaires who got girls from him" is one of the more plausible ones I've heard in a good while.   

this is probably the only conspiracy theory that like 99% of the people you ask will believe it.

like seriously, the camera just happened to stop working at the time of his death

now the real question in the theory is who had him done in?

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Could be anything. Epstein's lawyers could've communicated to anyone close to Trump or Barr that Epstein did not want to face interrogation and let the truth come out. Barr or someone else with power around Trump could've simply given the order to give him the tools to commit suicide and the guards' silence could easily be purchased.

It is just unfortunate that this feeds the "Deep State" garbage from Sean Hannity.

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7 hours ago, Captain Karnage said:

this is probably the only conspiracy theory that like 99% of the people you ask will believe it.

like seriously, the camera just happened to stop working at the time of his death

now the real question in the theory is who had him done in?

The only possible solutions are murder or gross negligence.  The fact that people were already making jokes about Epstein's "suicide" before it happened and this being the first ever suicide at that facility make everything very suspect.

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He's had a penchant for bribing prison guards and officials in the past, so it could just be him paying someone to look away while he succeeded at this attempt.

But [email protected] taking control of the investigation. That is literally the worst if you want to quell the conspiracy theories.

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On 8/18/2019 at 1:34 AM, Captain Karnage said:

now the real question in the theory is who had him done in?


You're probably too young to remember this but there's a classic episode of "The Simpsons" called Who Shot Mr. Burns? 

They investigate everyone in Springfield. And the joke at the end is it could have been any character on the show. Because every single person had a motive to shoot him--there wasn't a single person who the rotten old man hadn't wronged in some way.

Even attempting to tackle that question is going to be like a live action episode of Who Shot Mr. Burns?

Count on two hands the number of people who had the means and the motive to stage a prison suicide. You can't. There's too many of them. 

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On 8/18/2019 at 7:52 AM, Dr. Tarrasque said:

It is just unfortunate that this feeds the "Deep State" garbage from Sean Hannity.

I find that very funny considering those that deeply believe in the deep state probably passionately support Trump who's also a big suspect. 

Its certainly possible the Clinton's did it but the Clinton's are over. Unlike Trump they aren't in the White House right now. 

Its possible the British royal family did it but Britain isn't nearly as powerful as it once was and they are probably rather busy with committing national suicide. 

But the big ''enemy'' of the ''deep state'' has both the motives and the means to do it. 

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Trump and the republican party using Jews and Israel as bargaining chips is getting worse each week. This shit is getting bizarre.

Trump is especially bad, as he can't seem to separate Jews and Israel. Dude just called 3/4 of American Jews stupid/disloyal. I think if you flat out asked him "What do American Jews gain from blindly supporting Israel", his head might legitimately explode.

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Trump did tell Jews to think of Netanyahu (or "Netanfuckhu" as Palestinians don't call him) as "their prime minister".

And whilst one shouldn't overemphasize the difference between American and Israeli Jews, there is a significant divide between them. Both are committed to embracing Jewishness and fighting anti-Semitism, and having an Israel.

But their religio-cultural views on what it means to be Jewish can radically differ. A religious minority which needs inclusiveness to avoid being discriminated against by the larger society, and a hierarchy in-power that uses that power to exclude according to its dictates. 

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Its a funny trait of populists. They loudly insist that unlike all their peers they perceive the will as the people as holy. Yet as soon as the people have a different opinion than the populists they suddenly drop implications that there's something wrong with the people. Maybe they are tricked by that dastardly evil media, maybe they are part of a leftist plot, maybe they are idiots or perhaps they are traitors or naive gutmenchen. 

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Me:             "Nothing Trump can do would surprise me at this point"

Trump:       "Based on Denmark's comments that they have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be cancelling our meeting"

Me:              Image result for white guy blinking gif
 

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6 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

Me:             "Nothing Trump can do would surprise me at this point"

Trump:       "Based on Denmark's comments that they have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be cancelling our meeting"

Me:              Image result for white guy blinking gif
 

Hold my beer

and my lunch

The man is perpetually making this old tweet of his more relevant with each passing day.

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Why don't y'all ask the Jewish Israeli who did army service in the West Bank for his opinion?

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6 minutes ago, Life said:

Why don't y'all ask the Jewish Israeli who did army service in the West Bank for his opinion?

Good idea. What are your thoughts on sheep cheese and goat cheese. Better or worse than cow cheese? Or just a viable alternative?

For real though, I kind of get the gist of how Bibi feels about Trump. What do you(And regular Israelis to a greater extent) think about this whole deal?

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51 minutes ago, Slumber said:

Good idea. What are your thoughts on sheep cheese and goat. Better or worse than cow cheese? Or just a viable alternative?

For real though, I kind of get the gist of how Bibi feels about Trump. What do you(And regular Israelis) think about this whole deal?

Goat cheese is great, never had sheep cheese. Hard cheese from the big daddies is still the way to go though.

I'm going to split this into two parts: The Squad and Trump.

Regarding the Squad: I despise Omar and Tlaib at this point because it's self-evident that the pair only wanted to come to incite trouble. They couldn't be bothered to label their itinerary with even the name of the country they were visiting (because they both fundamentally don't believe that Israel should exist). They certainly aren't trying to represent American interests by coming here and refusing to meet with Israeli officials. And furthermore, Tlaib was given permission to enter solely to see her family and decided that her ideological position was more important.

It is also important to note that despite what you might read in the newspapers, neither Trump nor Bibi had any say in the decision. This was Aryeh Deri's decision alone and for the week leading up to last Thursday, Deri (the Interior Minister) was solid on his position that Tlaib and Omar should be subject to the BDS law, making them no different than any other foreign national regardless of status or position in any government. Tlaib and Omar's rejection to entry is actually the rule, not the exception. It was Ron Dermer (Israeli ambassador to the USA) who had promised the pair entry despite the fact that he was in no position to do so.

Deri, by the way, is not in Bibi's party (he is the leader of Shas, the party of the ultra-Orthodox Haredi leeches) and is not beholden to Bibi in any form. Bibi actually needs Deri to even have a chance at forming a government and we already know that if Bibi attempts to pressure Deri to do something he doesn't want, Deri is OK with dissolving the Knesset and calling new elections since the Haredi will always vote for Shas and they are the kingmakers here. We know this because it has already happened once this year over the draft law.

This is effectively most Israelis' opinions because we are tired of the West trying to impose Western moralization upon us, especially when it comes from the bourgeoise who don't have to go to military cemeteries on a yearly basis. In this part of the world, might makes right. We cannot deal diplomatically with neighbours who cannot accept the inevitability of the fact that we conquered the land and they will get it back when they take it from our cold dead hands. It really is frustrating to see the West does not understand that while we are the most civilized barbarians in the area, we are still barbarians. For us, that is a symbol of pride because the reality of never-ending war exists here.

We never really wanted Tlaib and Omar to come here in the beginning. Was it a political mistake to bar them? Personally, I say yes because I would have rather prefered some political theatre and force Tlaib to admit on foreign soil that she is not working in the interests of the people of Michigan who elected her but rather for her own ideological interests. Then I'd load her up onto a plane back to Washington. That's my personal opinion.


Trump: There are things I like about Trump that make me call him an idiot savant. This is not one of those things.

25% of the electorate voted Likud. I'm not one of them. But Bibi is my prime minister... because I am an Israeli citizen. Not because I am a Jew. It's the same fundamental problem I have with Israel's nation-state law. I don't give a shit about being a Jew. I care about the fact that I am Israeli. Me being a Jew should not entitle me to more rights at a fundamental level... but the state doesn't agree with me on that. I've personally questioned Yair Lapid on this matter and even he has stated that Israel should be Jewish first and a liberal democracy second. The man's left wing, by the way.

As a result, the majority of the country likes Trump. Trump will let us get away with some necessary evils but he ends up magnifying them in the process and putting us in a position where our issues with Gaza and the West Bank won't ever move forward simply because we're under the microscope even more than ever. Not to mention that we have to then justify ourselves to people who don't deserve even a second of our time.

I saw an Indian dude say recently that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. How am I the only one who sees a hypocrite? The Indian government takes over half of Kashmir by force? Ho hum. We retaliate after Gaza does this between March 2018 and June 2019 (16 months):
 

  • Eight killed
  • 282 wounded
  • 1,932 rockets/mortar bombs
  • 841 petrol bombs
  • 25 shootings
  • 128 IEDs
  • 2,155 fires ignited by arson kites/balloons (updated 2 July 2019)
  • 8,747 acres of land – farmland, forests, nature reserves – burned

    This is after considering that there is a guarded fence between the two areas. This should be enough damage to call for a war without having everyone cry over those poor little Arabs. But no, we're always the bad guys. Even to massive hypocrites.

    So when Trump comes out and puts us under the microscope like this, who is he helping? Not us. Not the Arabs. Luckily, his political opponents are incompetent so he's not helping them either. It just boggles my mind.

    EDIT: Regarding Gaza, if you care about the land, fire bombing it is the exact opposite of showing that. It's not that the Palestinians want to live peacefully in the area. It's that they want to live peacefully in the area... after the Jews are expelled from it or just massacred first. They don't care if they inherit rubble; their issue is that we are here at all. If you want contest this point, I strongly urge you to book a flight to Tel Aviv and I will personally take you to the fence myself to illustrate my point live and in colour.
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On 7/19/2019 at 5:20 PM, Shoblongoo said:

(PRO TIP:  Judge them by what they do. Not by what they say. The Statutes, Court Opinions, and Executive Orders from that era paint a much better picture of what fascism was and how it operated than something like the written works and public speeches of Mussolini, glowingly explaining why fascism is great and why everyone should be a fascist. You have missed something crucial if you have just read fascist literature and taken their self-professed statements of what they are at face value, without remembering that one of the core features of fascism is pervasive state propaganda)   

I also want to mention this (sorry for the double post) because I find this fascinating.

Why can't I just say "well, that wasn't REAL fascism" because it didn't produce the ultimate state utopia and ended up turning into one of the bloodiest meat grinders of all time?

This is a serious question.

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