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Welp, now that both Pennsylvania and Georgia are now leaning toward Biden's favor, this is probably going to go to him. It was looking like it for a while already though. This sucks, but I guess we'll have to wait four more years to vote again. I gotta think there'll be a zero chance Biden would get re-elected in four years, most people (I believe) mainly just wanted Trump out. Hopefully we can get a more solid Republican candidate for 2024, which shouldn't be hard since there are many better choices than Trump.

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2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Why is Minnesota a purple or blue state in the first place? Minnesota's placement on the map looks as though it should be solid red.

If you ask me, because more than half of the population lives in the Twin Cities area and is much more likely to vote blue.

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1 hour ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Also, don't forget the Curious Case of Grover Cleveland. Although he was elected prior to the amendment officially restricting presidents to two terms, Cleveland did serve two non-consecutive terms as president, and that is still allowed. Meaning, Trump, if he has lost this one, could run again in 2024. I have very few doubts that he couldn't get the nomination. Given how much he looooooooves rallies and campaigning over actually doing the president's job, this might actually be a happier outcome for him. Although even in a second term, I don't see how he wouldn't invent an excuse for rallies.

I doubt Trump can even run in 2024.

If he's still alive, he's likely in jail. The Presidency was the only thing between him and the State of New York charging him over his taxes. Or lack of. That's why he was so adamant in being reelected and his "jokes" of a lifelong presidency. It's all he has short of fleeing the country.

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Just woke up and checked the map. Nice! Biden is leading in NV, PA, and GA! It is a razor thin lead, but it is a lead nonetheless! I feel much more at ease now.

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25 minutes ago, SSbardock84 said:

Welp, now that both Pennsylvania and Georgia are now leaning toward Biden's favor, this is probably going to go to him. It was looking like it for a while already though. This sucks, but I guess we'll have to wait four more years to vote again. I gotta think there'll be a zero chance Biden would get re-elected in four years, most people (I believe) mainly just wanted Trump out. Hopefully we can get a more solid Republican candidate for 2024, which shouldn't be hard since there are many better choices than Trump.

Its also possible to Republican party falls into chaos. Pence has presidential ambition while the Trump clan likely sees the presidency as their personal plaything now. So Trump's base might start fighting among itself. 

And on top of that its worth mentioning that Trump was never a real Republican. Now that he lost there is no guarantee the Republicans don't try to return to normal and oust Trumpist candidates from the candidacy. Trumps base the the Republicans might fight it out which can cause for a lot of bitterness. 

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38 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said:

I doubt Trump can even run in 2024.

If he's still alive, he's likely in jail. The Presidency was the only thing between him and the State of New York charging him over his taxes. Or lack of. That's why he was so adamant in being reelected and his "jokes" of a lifelong presidency. It's all he has short of fleeing the country.

Someone just hacked into Ivanka's private email, her dad sent her an email with the title "How far to the Russia Embbasy?".😛

 

30 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Its also possible to Republican party falls into chaos. Pence has presidential ambition while the Trump clan likely sees the presidency as their personal plaything now. So Trump's base might start fighting among itself. 

And on top of that its worth mentioning that Trump was never a real Republican. Now that he lost there is no guarantee the Republicans don't try to return to normal and oust Trumpist candidates from the candidacy. Trumps base the the Republicans might fight it out which can cause for a lot of bitterness.

So, basically the fate of many a far right or far left group? A lack of unified leadership, ideally under someone with charisma, leads to hopeless infighting. Although, in sufficient numbers, and the Republicans absolutely have that, radicals can prove even disunited to be a real menace. 

 

Trump has gained on Biden in Arizona again, it doesn't matter with Pennsylvania as a 20 karat aquamarine on Biden's lapel, but I'd like more to see more blue on the map. Trump needs 60% of the remaining votes in Arizona to take it back, but ATM he's underperforming that number. It's his best shot for the start of a herculean comeback all things currently considered.

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2 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said:

I doubt Trump can even run in 2024.

If he's still alive, he's likely in jail. The Presidency was the only thing between him and the State of New York charging him over his taxes. Or lack of. That's why he was so adamant in being reelected and his "jokes" of a lifelong presidency. It's all he has short of fleeing the country.

I think in 2024, we're going to have unironic conversations about "can you run for president if you don't live in the US?" I'm assuming he won't make it onto ballots, but he may prove quite the spoiler write-in candidate for the Republican party. 

But no, I don't expect Trump will see the inside of a jail cell. Not a US one, anyway. There's all kinds of trouble he might get up to in Russia. In fact, I expect him to flee before inauguration day, leaving Pence to handle the transfer of power that every leaving president so dreads. Trump probably has just enough allies left to secure one last ride on Air Force One - and it's not round trip.

I know it sounds like I'm joking and talking out of my ass, but Trump has expressed interest in both of these things: the leaving the country, and the still running in 2024 if he lost.

Oh, and while we're here

Thank you Atlanta and Detroit.

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There was a story last year that did mention Biden was likely only going to run for one term:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

 

The slow inevitable loss of Trump is somewhat karmic and fitting right now, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRW72zW4MgQ

 

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On 10/30/2020 at 12:07 PM, Glennstavos said:

He would only need a state with a fraction of Texas' electoral votes to be that secure. You can play around with possibilities here. But the deciding states that are being anticipated are North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Arizona, and Ohio. Texas skewing purple is surprising, but Georgia as an actual swing state is probably the weirdest.

I said this a week ago and I want to amend that last part. It's not weird Georgia is a swing state, because they've been working at it for years. Other red states could be next, and there have been serious gains throughout the south (Florida excluded, apparently). The "southern strategy" may be ending. And while Georgia's electoral votes might not be THE state that decided the presidential race, those january do-over senate elections could be what saves this next two years of law making

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Re: state laws - dems wanted to change the laws so the mail-ins and absentees would be counted as they came in, but the Republicans blocked them.

That’s how you have super efficient states like Florida — who learned it’s lesson back in 2000 — and this.

So all the conspiracies going around? Republicans were banking on it. They’re full fledged fascists now. Any pretense is a very thin veneer.

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You guys are really hopeful.  You forget Trump isn't a typical president, and you also forget who the current GOP is.  Trump's pawns.  You also forget the DOJ is under his control, and he has stacked the courts with hyper partisans.  It looks like the margins are really thin in many of these areas as well.  

Another Trump strategy telling Republican state legislators to disregard popular vote of state and just give all electors to him.  You think America is some sort of invincible democracy.  It isn't.  Unless the GOP stands up to him, it can very well end here. 

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Let them celebrate stopping him right now. It’s not a sprint but a marathon, but jfc it’s a speck of hope at least.

And you’re probably wrong, anyway. He’s going to do immense damage on the way out but he’s ridiculously incompetent.

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31 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

You guys are really hopeful.  You forget Trump isn't a typical president, and you also forget who the current GOP is.  Trump's pawns.  You also forget the DOJ is under his control, and he has stacked the courts with hyper partisans.  It looks like the margins are really thin in many of these areas as well.  

Another Trump strategy telling Republican state legislators to disregard popular vote of state and just give all electors to him.  You think America is some sort of invincible democracy.  It isn't.  Unless the GOP stands up to him, it can very well end here. 

Do you honestly believe state legislatures want to force their electors to be faithless? That every single one has as little faith in democracy as Trump? Allow me to disabuse you of the notion that it will just end. Trump may not be a typical president, and the GOP on the national level may be weak, but it is also too weak to put forth any actual effort beyond satiating his ego. Logic isn't their strong suit, especially considering one incoming congresswoman is a member of Qanon.

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I heard through the grapevine that people are borderline rioting in Portland, Oregon...AGAIN.

 

Except that it's people demanding an recount, like they did in Detroit. Plus, someone spray painted the hammer & sickle on either an polling office or an politician's residence. I forgot where which state it was in, but it came with an anti-democracy message.

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don't worry, they're 99% white and old, so they won't get tear gassed

covid is more of a threat

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Don't worry, the secret service will force Trump to leave office if it comes down to it.

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And the courts aren't likely it seems to side with Trump, His Dishonor Judge Kegerator did strike some fear a few weeks ago, but the Supreme Court as a whole has no appetite for determining an election's results. Not to mention, you need evidence of something wrong to bring a case to court, if Trump can't find a real problem, and so far he hasn't, because there is none, you either the case either gets dismissed before it gets heard, or you lose. And so far, GOP lawsuits have mostly failed. 

When it comes to finding evidence, Trump doesn't put too much effort into sending anyone to look for it. He couldn't find 2016 voter fraud and that commission got canceled, and he never sent private investigators to search for Obama's Kenya birth certificate, and did Giuliani get any real dirt out of Ukraine. He never built much of that wall either.

Trump will resist, but the old man is lazy and half-hearted. He'd rather insist on a falsehood and live in his delusional fantasies than seriously work, unless the "work" is rallies.

His sycophants might be more motivated and competent, but eh, McConnell is going to squeeze in more judges in the next two-three months to add to the decades' worth he's gotten, but he and other politicians can ride on Trump's ideology if it remains popular without backing the ousted man himself. As one article I read on Rubio put it, Trump is temporary, Miami is forever. Barr... dunno about him, but how much can the DoJ really do by itself? The military will stay neutral.

 

I've heard in passing the White House staff is starting to look for new jobs too, they weren't expecting a defeat. And that plans for a Trump news network are being considered (which assuming he doesn't buy up Fox, leaves me wondering if that network's greatest evils are going to leave to join the new propaganda machine).

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Although, it is worth keeping in mind successful far right demagogic dictators elected into office, aren't in short supply around the world currently. Trump can be ousted right now, but the next, assuming they have actual competence, might not be. That is worrisome, but their election is currently at least four years away. We can breathe easily for this one moment in time. Me being me, I could start worrying about that right now, but I'll try not to.

Why'd I have to read that depressing, scary article? It's ruining my mood.

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I don't think we're going to see the return of the Bush GOP for a long time.

This GOP is enthralling and scary in it's size and influence... but it is primarily driven by greed, fear and the desire to pwn the libs.

EDIT: oh and racism

Edited by Crysta

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3 hours ago, Crysta said:

Let them celebrate stopping him right now. It’s not a sprint but a marathon, but jfc it’s a speck of hope at least.

And you’re probably wrong, anyway. He’s going to do immense damage on the way out but he’s ridiculously incompetent.

A speck of hope in a sea of darkness.  He has done immense damage to the government already, despite incompetence.  Plus there are very competent intelligent corrupt scumbags like Barr who work for him. 

1 hour ago, leetic said:

Don't worry, the secret service will force Trump to leave office if it comes down to it.

I'd be up for military to storm the building and escort him out, with excessive force.  I hate that we have to rely on these unknowns.  Trump should have never been in the White House.  Prepare to fight tooth and nail everyone.  

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TBF, the worrisome article I read was written by someone from Turkey, Erdogan's personal realm for the past two decades. I can see it as the author's understandable cri de coeur, and I'm easily moved by stuff like that.

But, why did Britain in decline get it so easy? They've been in decline (since the end of WWII is my point of reference) for like 70-80 years and it's taken them this long to get Boris Johnson, who I assume is kinda populist and bad. Why did America, if you place its peak at the end of the Cold War, have to spiral past Boris Johnson bad so quickly to the anti-democratic and very populist Trump, why couldn't this country age with grace? Trump has shriveled it in no time.

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12 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

TBF, the worrisome article I read was written by someone from Turkey, Erdogan's personal realm for the past two decades. I can see it as the author's understandable cri de coeur, and I'm easily moved by stuff like that.

But, why did Britain in decline get it so easy? They've been in decline (since the end of WWII is my point of reference) for like 70-80 years and it's taken them this long to get Boris Johnson, who I assume is kinda populist and bad. Why did America, if you place its peak at the end of the Cold War, have to spiral past Boris Johnson bad so quickly to the anti-democratic and very populist Trump, why couldn't this country age with grace? Trump has shriveled it in no time.

I think Biden and Democrats should not concede to Trump no matter what.  If Trump wins, throw out bunch of lawsuits, talk about all the voter suppression done, contest every state that was close.  Every state that can, investigate everything that can be investigated.  Why can the GOP just throw hundreds of accusatory lawsuits and the Dems just sit there and take it?  

NO MATTER WHAT, Trump is not the president come January.  No matter what.  If somehow through lawyers or whatever BS crap him and his spineless traitors try to pull off nets him the 'legal' winner.  You the House to impeach him over and over again, all 4 years.  Do nothing else.  Filibuster everything in the Senate.  Protest all across the country and disrupt everything.  Go on strike.  Shut the country down.  

Cause this idiot doesn't get to steal and election, NO MATTER WHAT.  

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45 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

A speck of hope in a sea of darkness.

If you want it to be, sure. I've already made peace with the fact that being demoralizing is a favorite leftist past time. I'm not gonna be joining you.

Trump won't be dragged out or anything. Do we really think he's the fighter he pretends he is lol?

Trump is not winning anything from here on out.

EDIT: This is a guy who fires people over Twitter.

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