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Clarification on the origins of Avatar and Azura (spoilers)


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1. Mikoto and Shenmei are siblings and they both share a husband named Anakos right? Is the current king of the Invisible Kingdom?

2. If 1 is true, then would NoA censor or remove the S rank entirely between Avatar and Azura seeing they are actually cousins? How is this going to be handled?

3. Is the Invisible Kingdom actually a kingdom? Like it has citizens living in it, cities, its own culture, army etc etc. I'm getting a feeling that its really hidden but I'm curious as to why such a large kingdom with a population can be hidden from Nohr and Hoshido for so long.

4. In the IK route, the Avatar gets crowned King/Queen of Invisible Kingdom correct?

5. When Mikoto married Sumeragi, did Sumeragi know of Mikoto's origins as the wife of Anakos? I find it rather "convenient" that Sumeragi will marry someone so crucial to the plot with little backstory of the marriage shown to the player.

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1. They're sisters, but Shenmei's husband was the previous Touma king.

2. We don't know. When Mikoto says Shenmei is her sister, no one really reacts to it. The game doesn't acknowledge Kamui being married to Azura like Awakening did with Lucina.

3. It's called a kingdom, but we do not see any people living in it, or any sign of daily life.

4. Yes, Kamui is crowned King/Queen at the end of the IK route.

5. He knew of Mikoto's origins from Touma, and IIRC he said he met her there. Since the game does not explicitly mention that Kamui is Hydra's child (Hydra himself doesn't even bring it up), it's hard to say whether Sumeragi knew Mikoto had been involved with Hydra.

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2. If 1 is true, then would NoA censor or remove the S rank entirely between Avatar and Azura seeing they are actually cousins? How is this going to be handled?

It'll probably be handled in the same way as the Lucina x Brady pairing in Awakening, by having them labelled as "companions" rather than husband and wife.

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1. They're sisters, but Shenmei's husband was the previous Touma king.

2. We don't know. When Mikoto says Shenmei is her sister, no one really reacts to it. The game doesn't acknowledge Kamui being married to Azura like Awakening did with Lucina.

3. It's called a kingdom, but we do not see any people living in it, or any sign of daily life.

4. Yes, Kamui is crowned King/Queen at the end of the IK route.

5. He knew of Mikoto's origins from Touma, and IIRC he said he met her there. Since the game does not explicitly mention that Kamui is Hydra's child (Hydra himself doesn't even bring it up), it's hard to say whether Sumeragi knew Mikoto had been involved with Hydra.

1. Shenmei's husband is the previous Touma king? Who is the previous Touma king? And who is the current Touma king? Why would Shenmei be loyal to the current Touma king when her husband is the previous one...?

(sorry...)

2. The game doesn't "acknowledge" Avatar married to Azura...? But the game has S rank pairing for them, and Amie, but doesn't acknowledge?

3. I guess I need to insert my own thought here.

4. If Avatar is crowned Queen/King of IK and end of IK route, doesn't this imply ruling over an actual nation of people, culture and heritage? I'm saddened that there is so little lore on the IK's way of life and all. Does anyone know if there's any lore on the culture people army of IK?

But if Avatar is crowned Queen, her S-ranked husband will be King? If no S ranked husband, she will be the sole queen of IK? What about Azura? What happens at end of IK if you S rank her, and if you don't?

5. Sumeragi knew of Minot's origins from Touma, which Touma is it?

It'll probably be handled in the same way as the Lucina x Brady pairing in Awakening, by having them labelled as "companions" rather than husband and wife.

That's a pretty BIG change in plot though, considering the importance of Azura and Avatar in all routes...

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1. We don't know who the previous Touma King was. Azura only mentions that he was her father.

2. Doesn't acknowledge as in it's not brought up. In Awakening, if Robin was Lucina's husband or mother, a cutscene recognized that by changing the dialogue. There is nothing like that in Fates, and the rumor that Kamui has a special scene with Azura if they're married in IK is false.

4. Azura remains as Kamui's adviser in Touma if they aren't married to each other. Kamui becomes King/Queen regardless of whether they are married.

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It'll probably be handled in the same way as the Lucina x Brady pairing in Awakening, by having them labelled as "companions" rather than husband and wife.

They would still produce children though.

Unless NoA just does not mention it or are okay with cousin marriage, which mind you is legal in places, then really nothing is going to be changed.

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It'll probably be handled in the same way as the Lucina x Brady pairing in Awakening, by having them labelled as "companions" rather than husband and wife.

you mean Lucina x Owain?

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2. If 1 is true, then would NoA censor or remove the S rank entirely between Avatar and Azura seeing they are actually cousins? How is this going to be handled?

In Genealogy cousins could marry.But,that was Japan exclusive,so maybe?I doubt it,though.At least they won't remove it in Nohr or Hoshido because that could spoil the third route.

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it's probably a little less likely, at the very least, that they'll censor KamuixAzura. with OwainxLucina, they couldn't have a child unit. it's also much more obvious that they are 1st cousins, compared to AzuraxKamui who are only mentioned in IK afaik? and only indirectly (Mikoto/Shenmei being sisters)? if they do censor AzuraxKamui to be companions, they're gonna need some explaining with Shigure/Kanna. Awakening also missed 2nd gen marrying their niece/nephew 3rd gen Morgan but that could be either oversight or just too out of the way (would have to add code that checks for this vs Owain and Lucina who are ALWAYS 1st cousins). lastly, I don't know how true this is (obviously not SumiaxChrom lvl), but AzuraxKamui seems to be IS's nudge nudge pairing so it would be a tad of a jerk move to censor that.

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1. Shenmei's husband is the previous Touma king? Who is the previous Touma king? And who is the current Touma king? Why would Shenmei be loyal to the current Touma king when her husband is the previous one...?

The previous Touma king is never elaborated. The current Touma king is Hydra/Anankos. Shenmei is not loyal to Hydra/Anankos, she is dead and her corpse is being manipulated by Hydra/Anankos.

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2. Doesn't acknowledge as in it's not brought up. In Awakening, if Robin was Lucina's husband or mother, a cutscene recognized that by changing the dialogue. There is nothing like that in Fates, and the rumor that Kamui has a special scene with Azura if they're married in IK is false.

Isn't there like a special ending cutscene if you married Azura in IK?

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