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Choosing the Best Class for Hinoka (Poll 9)

Which is the best class for Hinoka?  

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  1. 1. Optimization Poll: Which is the optimal class for Hinoka?

    • Basara
      0
    • Dark Knight
      1
    • Exorcist
      0
    • Falcon Warrior
      14
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      5
    • Great Knight
      0
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Holy Lancer
      14
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      1
    • Paladin
      1
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Revenant Knight
      0
    • Sorcerer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • Trueblade
      1
    • War Priestess
      0
    • Weapon Master
      0
    • Wyvern Lord
      1
    • I don't really know.
      10
  2. 2. Practicality Poll (Hoshido): Which is the most practical class for Hinoka in the Hoshido campaign?

    • Basara
      1
    • Exorcist
      0
    • Falcon Warrior
      23
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      8
    • Great Knight
      0
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Holy Lancer
      10
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      0
    • Paladin
      1
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • Trueblade
      0
    • War Priestess
      0
    • Weapon Master
      0
    • I'm going to bench Hinoka.
      5
  3. 3. Preference Poll: Which class do you like the best for Hinoka?

    • Basara
      0
    • Dark Knight
      0
    • Exorcist
      0
    • Falcon Warrior
      20
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      12
    • Great Knight
      0
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Holy Lancer
      10
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      1
    • Paladin
      0
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Revenant Knight
      1
    • Sorcerer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • Trueblade
      0
    • War Priestess
      0
    • Weapon Master
      0
    • Wyvern Lord
      1
    • She's fine in any class.
      3
  4. 4. DLC Poll: Which DLC class do you like the best for Hinoka?

    • Dark Falcon
      26
    • Dread Fighter
      5
    • Great Lord
      10
    • Witch
      1
    • I don't plan on using DLC classes.
      6
  5. 5. Optional Poll: Which character would you like to vote on next poll?

    • Camilla
      5
    • Kaze
      5
    • Sakura
      5
    • Xander
      1
    • Ryoma
      2
    • Jakob
      0
    • Hinata
      6
    • Effie
      4
    • Flannel
      5
    • Innocent Killer
      3
    • La Fashionista in Love
      2
    • Absent-Minded Pitfall Archer
      4
    • I don't really care.
      6


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Hinoka.The eldest daughter of the Hoshidan royal family. She fights with the strong desire to protect her nation, marching for the battlefield despite everyones objections. Her nature is more of a warrior than a princess: plain and honest. The most caring.
[spoiler=Marriage/Buddy Seals]
Spoiler (Marriage/Buddy Seals)

A Marriage/Buddy seal allows a unit to reclass into one of the select class trees of his spouse (S support) or buddy (A+ support). A unit may only achieve an S support with units of the opposite gender (exc. Kamui, Syalla, Zero), and may only achieve an A+ support with units of the same gender.

(The credit for the following information goes to Gayserbeam, as I copied the wording of his explanation. Check out the Class Changing and Inheritance Thread for more information.

  • If the users Primary Class is different than their Spouses/Buddys Primary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddys Primary Class, even if the user has that class as a Secondary Class already.
  • If the users Primary Class is the same as their Spouses/Buddys Primary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddys Secondary Class.
  • If the user is married or buddied with a unit who has an unlearnable class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddys Secondary Class.
    • An unlearnable class is a class that may be unique to a character or their children. The following units have unlearnable classes: Nishiki (Fox Spirit), Flannel (Garou), Azura (Singer), Mozume (Villager).
  • If the user is married or buddied with a unit who has an unlearnable class, and their Primary Class is the same as their Spouses/Buddys Secondary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddys Substitute Class.
    • A Substitute Class is simply a select class a character with an unlearnable class passes down under certain circumstances. The following units have Substitute Classes: Nishiki (Herb Merchant), Flannel (Outlaw), Azura (Rod Knight), Mozume (Herb Merchant).


If youre still confused, let me use Hinoka as an example to try and clarify matters!

  • Hinoka/Asama: Hinokas Primary Class is Pegasus Warrior, and Asamas is Priest. Therefore, Hinoka would Marriage Seal into Priestess.
    • Hinoka/n/a: not a good example as the only default Lance Fighter is Oboro which the former cannot Buddy
  • Hinoka/Subaki: Hinokas Primary Class is Pegasus Warrior, and Subakis is Pegasus Warrior. Therefore, Hinoka would Marriage Seal into Subakis Secondary Class-- Samurai.
  • Hinoka/Nishiki: As Nishikis Primary Class is Fox Spirit, an unlearnable class, Hinoka would Marriage Seal into his Secondary Class-- Spellcaster.
  • Hinoka/Azura: Avatars Primary Class is Singer, an unlearnable class. Hinokas Primary Class is Pegasus Warrior, and Azuras Secondary Class is Pegasus Warrior. Therefore, Hinoka would Buddy Seal into her Substitute Class-- Rod Knight.


[spoiler=Possible Classes]

  • Classes in red are ones Elise can only achieve in either the Hoshido or the Invisible Kingdom campaign.
  • Classes in blue are ones Elise can only achieve in the Invisible Kingdom campaign

Base Classes (8H, 4N, 12T)

  • Bowman
  • Cavalier
  • Dark Mage
  • Lance Fighter
  • Ninja
  • Pegasus Warrior
  • Priestess
  • Rod Knight
  • Samurai
  • Spellcaster
  • Wyvern Rider


Promoted Classes (11
H, 8N, 19T)

  • Basara
  • Dark Knight
  • Exorcist
  • Falcon Warrior
  • Golden-Kite Warrior
  • Great Knight
  • Holy Bowman
  • Holy Lancer
  • Jonin
  • Maid
  • Paladin
  • Puppeteer
  • Revenant Knight
  • Sorcerer
  • Strategist
  • Trueblade
  • War Priestess
  • Weapon Master
  • Wyvern Lord


[spoiler=Expansion of Possible Classes]
Primary Base Class:
Pegasus Warrior
Primary Promoted Classes: Falcon Warrior, Golden-Kite Warrior
Secondary Base Class: Lance Fighter
Secondary Promoted Classes: Basara, Holy Lancer

Marriage Seal Classes: These are organized alphabetically based on the localized names of the spouses. we listed the Hoshido characters first, the Nohr characters second, and the shared characters last.

  • Asama: Priestess -> Exorcist, War Priestess
  • Hinata: Samurai -> Trueblade, Weapon Master
  • Nishiki: Spellcaster -> Basara, Exorcist
  • Saizou: Ninja -> Jonin, Puppeteer
  • Subaki: Samurai -> Trueblade, Weapon Master
  • Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster -> Basara, Exorcist

  • Leo: Dark Mage -> Dark Knight, Sorcerer
  • Xander: Cavalier -> Great Knight, Paladin

  • Jakob: Cavalier -> Great Knight, Paladin
  • Kaze: Ninja -> Jonin, Puppeteer
  • Silas: Rod Knight -> Maid, Strategist


Buddy Seal Classes: These are organized alphabetically based on the localized names of the buddies. we listed the Hoshido characters first, the Nohr characters second, and the shared characters last.

  • Sakura: Priestess -> Exorcist, War Priestess
  • Setsuna: Bowman -> Golden-Kite Warrior, Holy Bowman
  • Camilla: Wyvern Rider -> Revenant Knight, Wyvern Lord
  • Azura: Rod Knight -> Maid, Strategist



[spoiler=Notice]

  • In the previous optional poll, Sakura placed second, and both Kaze and Camilla place third. Therefore, Sakura gets 3 votes and Kaze and Camilla get 1 vote each.
  • Rinkah and Tsukuyomi only received one vote each while Nishiki recieved none. So they will be out for two polls (return at poll 11)
  • Flanell have been added back to the poll. if it is demonstrated again is that the forum is not interested in him, he will be out for 4 polls, he would return poll 14
  • Pieri, Oboro and Setsuna has been added to the poll.


[spoiler=Possible Skills]
Personal Skill: Encuragement: Allies within a 2 tile radius deal 2 extra damage
Skills are organized alphabetically based on the classes. Within the classes, skills are listed in the order of achievement (e.g. a GK earns Luna at Lvl. 5 and Diamond Strike at Lvl. 15, so Luna is listed before Diamond Strike).

Base class skills are listed before promoted class skills. Descriptions of skills Hinoka can acquire through her primary and secondary class trees are listed below.

Descriptions of all the skills are located on the skills pages.

Base Classes Skills

  • Bowman: Skill +2, Prescient Victory
  • Cavalier: Open Assault, Rescue
  • Dark Mage: Bind, Devilish Wind
  • Lance Fighter: Defence Seal, Substitute
  • Ninja: Locktouch, Snake Venom
  • Pegasus Warrior: Swallow Strike, Eastern Heart
  • Priestess: Miracle, Rally Luck
  • Rod Knight: Resistance +2, Distinguished Son
  • Samurai: Flowing Strike, Vantage
  • Spellcaster: Magic +2, Fortune
  • Wyvern Rider: Strength +2, Cut Through

Promoted Classes Skills

  • Basara: Breaking Sky, Flamboyant
  • Dark Knight: Magic Seal, Lifetaker
  • Exorcist: Rally Magic, Tomefaire
  • Falcon Warrior: Rally Speed, Mirror Strike
  • Golden-Kite Warrior: Soar, Sun God
  • Great Knight: Luna, Diamond Strike
  • Holy Bowman: Raven Strike, Bowfaire
  • Holy Lancer: Speed Seal, Lancefaire
  • Jonin: Lethality, Kunaifaire
  • Maid: Servant's Joy, Tomebreaker
  • Paladin: Defender, Aegis
  • Puppeteer: Puppet Break, Copycat Pupper
  • Revenant Knight: Deadly Breath, Overbearing
  • Sorcerer: Vengeance, Bowbreaker
  • Strategist: Rally Resistance, Battle Command
  • Trueblade: Astra, Swordfaire
  • War Priestess: Renewal, Magic Counter
  • Weapon Master: Strength Seal, Line of Death
  • Wyvern Lord: Rally Defence, Sword Breaker


Swallow Strike: When user triggers the battle, double attack threshold +5
Eastern Heart: Recover 10% HP at the start of the users Turn if there are allies within a 2 tile radius
Rally Speed: Speed +4 to all allies within a 2 tile radius for one Turn when the Rally command is used
Mirror Strike: When user triggers the battle, magical damage received -20
Soar: Hit rate and Avoid +30 when facing Flying enemies
Sun God: Allies within a 2 tile radius recover 20% HP at the start of the users Turn

Defence Seal: After battle, enemys Defence -6
Substitute: Select the Substitute command to swap places with an adjacent ally on the map
Breaking Sky: Skill x 1.5% chance of adding half the enemys Strength (if user has a physical weapon) or Magic (if user has a magical weapon) as damage
Flamboyant: User and enemys Hit rate +30 and skill activation rate +15% during battle
Speed Seal: After battle, enemys Speed -6
Lancefaire: When user is equipped with a Lance, damage +5 during battle


For more info about stats and growths, please go to http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/

[spoiler=Summary]

Optimal

1. Falcon Warrior [33.33%]

2. Holy Lancer [30.95%]

3. Golden-Kite Warrior [11.90%]

Practical (Hoshido)

1. Falcon Warrior [50.55%]

2. Holy Lancer [23.81%]

3. Golden-Kite Warrior [19.05%]

Preferred

1. Falcon Warrior [45.24%]

2. Holy Lancer [23.81%]

3. Golden-Kite Warrior [21.43%]

DLC

1. Dark Falcon [59.52%]

2. Great Lord [19.05%]

3. Dread Fighter [9.52%]

Optional Poll

1. Sakura [11.90%](5+3 votes)

2.5. Hinata [14.29%](6 votes)

2.5. Kaze [11.90%](5+1 votes)

Sakura places ahead of Hinata is due to her placing 2nd previously. Kaze tied with Hinata due to the former placing third.

So we will be voting for Sakura

Edited by Jayvee94

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Holy Lancer, Falcon Warrior, Falcon Warrior, Dark Falcon, Elfie

I love Hinoka btw. She's so great. I'll be keeping an eye on this... I must know about her and optimize my favorite girl.

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Holy Lancer is probably her best overall class for fighting.

Falcon Warrior would have uses for helping move around your Encouragement aura for the rest of the army, but Holy Lancer offers a lot more firepower.

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Holy Lancer, Golden-Kite Warrior, and Dark Falcon are what I think, though I didn't vote Holy Lancer because I really love that damn mystical bird and want everyone on it (I don't care if it's bad)~ Of course, I will use her in Holy Lancer at some point since I've always found fliers hard to use early on, though~

As for DLC, Dark Falcon, clearly makes the most sense as a Pegasus Warrior~

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Hinoka's balanced growths are complimented by the class growths of Lance Fighter or Paladin.

With the overall low HP of Hoshidans, I usually like to "encourage" units with good HP growth like Hinoka by putting them in classes with at least a 10% HP bonus, which her default class definitely doesn't have.

Another cool idea with her is to give her Battle Command, Demoiselle and Devilish Wind, which when compounded with her personal skill gives nearby units the equivalent of +4 STR, +6 MAG, +4 DEF and +4 RES. She doesn't do it quite as well as Azura (who's natural Singer skills would bring it to the equivalent of +4 STR, +6 MAG, +6 DEF and +6 RES), but Azura isn't as likely to be on the front lines, so Hinkoa will usually get more use out of the set-up.

Edited by gayserbeam

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Umm wouldn't Jakob give Hinoka rod knight with a marriage seal? You have him listed as giving her cavalier.

Yes, that makes sense. Jakob should grant her Rod Knight.

Yeah, forgot about that one. Thanks. It is edited now.

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Majority votes

Optimal : Falcon Warrior, Holy Lancer

Practical (Hoshido) : Falcon Warrior

Preferred : Falcon Warrior, Holy Lancer

DLC : Dark Falcon

Optional: Camilla, Kaze, Sakura, Flannel

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It's gotta be Spear Master or Paladin.

Hinoka can really use Marriage Seal with Silas to help her HP/Strength/Defense growth. Once level capped, she can do anything with a Lance really. She can stay a Paladin/Great Knight or use Heart Seal to get to Spear Master or back to a Falcon/Kinshi Knight. It is really whichever the army needs. Out of the 3, while Kinshi Knight gives a ranged weapon option, it has low Strength Cap, and it has low Spear weapon Rank. So it makes more sense to go with Spear Master for S-rank in spear. Paladin is good for weapon triangle control. Great Knight is difficult in Birthright without a source of Wary Fighter skill.

As for marrying Silas, Hinoka synergies with Silas really well. Their Support bonus for each other is precisely what each other needs. During story line chapters, and before Marriage and the use of Marriage seal, Silas can shelter Hinoka against Yumi's. Keeping her as a Sky Knight for a small while helps ferrying troops, which is useful for Chapter 10 Ninja Village. So having Silas' Cavalier to mobilize and shield her whenever necessary while recking up Support Points is really nice. Silas doesn't need anyone to reclass for growth. He stays a Paladin just fine as a final class but needs Wary Fighter skill for General Class. So the Marriage doesn't hurt Silas in anyway. The resultant child is great.

So there is only goodies from reclassing into Cavalier and Great Knight and no reason to stay a Sky Knight/Falcon Knight past Chapter 10.

Edited by Argyll

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