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Choosing the Best Class for Effie (Poll 22)

Which is the best class for Effie?  

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  1. 1. Optimization Poll: Which is the optimal class for Effie?

    • Adventurer
      0
    • Basara
      0
    • Berserker
      4
    • Bow Knight
      0
    • Brave Hero
      1
    • Dark Knight
      0
    • Exorcist
      0
    • General
      18
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      1
    • Great Knight
      11
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      1
    • Paladin
      1
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Sorcerer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • Trueblade
      0
    • War Priestess
      0
    • Weapon Master
      0
    • I don't really know.
      4
  2. 2. Practicality Poll (Conquest): Which is the most practical class for Effie in the Conquest campaign?

    • Adventurer
      0
    • Berserker
      1
    • Bow Knight
      0
    • Brave Hero
      0
    • Dark Knight
      0
    • General
      20
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      0
    • Great Knight
      17
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      1
    • Paladin
      0
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Sorcerer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • I'm going to bench Effie.
      2
  3. 3. Preference Poll: Which class do you like the best for Effie?

    • Adventurer
      0
    • Basara
      0
    • Berserker
      2
    • Bow Knight
      0
    • Brave Hero
      1
    • Dark Knight
      0
    • Exorcist
      0
    • General
      24
    • Golden-Kite Warrior
      0
    • Great Knight
      7
    • Holy Bowman
      0
    • Jonin
      0
    • Maid
      4
    • Paladin
      1
    • Puppeteer
      0
    • Sorcerer
      0
    • Strategist
      0
    • Trueblade
      0
    • War Priestess
      0
    • Weapon Master
      0
    • She's fine with any class.
      2
  4. 4. DLC Poll: Which DLC class do you like the best for Effie?

    • Dark Falcon
      3
    • Dread Fighter
      8
    • Great Lord
      11
    • Witch
      0
    • I don't plan on using DLC classes.
      19
  5. 5. Optional Poll: Which character would you like to vote on next poll?

    • Pieri
      2
    • Nishiki
      3
    • Jakob
      2
    • Luna
      6
    • Hana
      2
    • Ryoma
      2
    • Nyx
      0
    • Orochi
      3
    • Kagerou
      2
    • Benoit
      3
    • Arthur
      3
    • Subaki
      4
    • Tsukuyomi
      0
    • Flora
      2
    • Saizou
      1
    • I don't really care.
      6


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Effie. A knight of Nohr; Elise’s subordinate. She was born in the capital’s underground streets and is a kind woman who desires to protect others. Regularly undergoes incredible training to obtain the power she seeks and benefits from super strength as a result. Has the most second helpings.

[spoiler=Marriage/Buddy Seals]
Spoiler (Marriage/Buddy Seals)

A Marriage/Buddy seal allows a unit to reclass into one of the select class trees of his spouse (S support) or buddy (A+ support). A unit may only achieve an S support with units of the opposite gender (exc. Kamui, Syalla, Zero), and may only achieve an A+ support with units of the same gender.

(The credit for the following information goes to Gayserbeam, as I copied the wording of his explanation. Check out the Class Changing and Inheritance Thread for more information.

  • If the users Primary Class is different than their Spouses/Buddy's Primary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddy's Primary Class, even if the user has that class as a Secondary Class already.
  • If the users Primary Class is the same as their Spouses/Buddy's Primary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddy's Secondary Class.
  • If the user is married or buddied with a unit who has an unlearnable class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddy's Secondary Class.
    • An unlearnable class is a class that may be unique to a character or their children. The following units have unlearnable classes: Nishiki (Fox Spirit), Flannel (Garou), Azura (Singer), Mozume (Villager).
  • If the user is married or buddied with a unit who has an unlearnable class, and their Primary Class is the same as their Spouses/Buddy's Secondary Class, then the Marriage/Buddy Seal will reclass them to the Spouses/Buddy's Substitute Class.
    • A Substitute Class is simply a select class a character with an unlearnable class passes down under certain circumstances. The following units have Substitute Classes: Nishiki (Herb Merchant), Flannel (Outlaw), Azura (Rod Knight), Mozume (Herb Merchant).


If you're still confused, let me use Effie as an example to try and clarify matters!

  • Effie/Arthur: Effie's Primary Class is Knight, and Arthur's is Fighter. Therefore, Effie would Marriage Seal into Fighter.
    • Effie/Jakob: Effie's Primary Class is Knight, and Jakob's is Rod Knight. Therefore, Effie would Buddy Seal into Rod Knight. As Effie's Secondary Class is Rod Knight, he would not receive a new class tree from Jakob.
  • Effie/Benoit: Effie's Primary Class is Knight, and Benoit's is Knight. Therefore, Effie would Marriage Seal into Benoit's Secondary Class-- Fighter.
  • Effie/Flannel: As Flannel's Primary Class is Garou, an unlearnable class, Effie would Marriage Seal into his Secondary Class-- Fighter.
  • Effie/Knight!Avatar: Avatar's Primary Class is Nohr Prince, an unlearnable class. Effie's Primary Class is Knight, and Avatar's Secondary Class is Knight. Therefore, Effie would Marriage Seal into his Substitute Class-- Lance Fighter.


[spoiler=Possible Classes]

  • Classes in black are ones Effie can only achieve in either the Conquest or the Revelation campaign.
  • Classes in blue are ones Effie can only achieve in the Revelation campaign.

Base Classes (5H, 7N, 12T)

  • Bowman
  • Cavalier
  • Dark Mage
  • Fighter
  • Knight
  • Mercenary
  • Ninja
  • Outlaw
  • Priestess
  • Rod Knight
  • Samurai
  • Spellcaster


Promoted Classes (9H, 11N, 20T)

  • Adventurer
  • Basara
  • Berserker
  • Bow Knight
  • Brave Hero
  • Dark Knight
  • Exorcist
  • General
  • Golden-Kite Warrior
  • Great Knight
  • Holy Bowman
  • Jonin
  • Maid
  • Paladin
  • Puppeteer
  • Sorcerer
  • Strategist
  • Trueblade
  • War Priestess
  • Weapon Master


[spoiler=Expansion of Possible Classes]
Primary Base Class:
Knight
Primary Promoted Classes: General, Great Knight

Secondary Base Class: Rod Knight
Secondary Promoted Classes: Maid, Strategist

Marriage Seal Classes: These are organized alphabetically based on the localized names of the spouses. we listed the Birthright characters first, the Conquest characters second, and the shared characters last.

  • Asama: Priestess -> Exorcist, War Priestess
  • Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster -> Basara, Exorcist

  • Arthur: Fighter -> Berserker, Brave Hero
  • Benoit: Fighter -> Berserker, Brave Hero
  • Flannel: Fighter -> Berserker, Brave Hero
  • Lazward: Mercenary -> Bow Knight, Brave Hero
  • Leo: Dark Mage -> Dark Knight, Sorcerer
  • Odin: Dark Mage -> Dark Knight, Sorcerer
  • Xander: Cavalier -> Great Knight, Paladin
  • Zero: Outlaw -> Adventurer, Bow Knight
  • Jakob: n/a
  • Kaze: Ninja -> Jonin, Puppeteer
  • Silas: Cavalier -> Great Knight, Paladin


Buddy Seal Classes: These are organized alphabetically based on the localized names of the buddies. we listed the Birthright characters first, the Conquest characters second, and the shared characters last.

  • Hana: Samurai -> Trueblade, Weapon Master
  • Elise: n/a
  • Nyx: Dark Mage -> Dark Knight, Sorcerer
  • Mozume: Bowman -> Golden-Kite Warrior, Holy Bowman



[spoiler=Notice]

  • In the previous optional poll: Arthur placed 2nd; Luna, Pieri, Ryoma, Nishiki and Jakob all placed 3rd (technically 5). Therefore, Arthur gets 3 votes and Luna, Pieri, Ryoma, Nishiki and Jakob receive 1 vote each.
  • No one is suspended this time due to relatively evenly distributed votes.
  • Subaki, Tsukuyomi, Flora and Saizou has been added back to the poll. if it is demonstrated again is that the forum is not interested in them: Subaki will be out for 8 polls (poll 31); Tsukuyomi, Flora and Saizou will be out for 4 (poll 27)
  • Note: If you plan to go through multiple classes, vote for the Final/Endgame class (except for preference, vote for whatcha like).


[spoiler=Possible Skills]
Personal Skill: Super Strength: When user’s Strength is 5 or more points higher than the enemy’s Strength, damage +3 during battle

Skills are organized alphabetically based on the classes. Within the classes, skills are listed in the order of achievement (e.g. a GK earns Luna at Lvl. 5 and Diamond Strike at Lvl. 15, so Luna is listed before Diamond Strike).

Base class skills are listed before promoted class skills. Descriptions of skills Effie can acquire through her primary and secondary class trees are listed below.

Descriptions of all the skills are located on the skills pages.

Base Classes Skills

  • Bowman: Skill +2, Prescient Victory
  • Cavalier: Open Assault, Rescue
  • Dark Mage: Bind, Devilish Wind
  • Fighter: HP +5, Roundhouse
  • Knight: Defence +2, Confined Defence
  • Mercenary: Stubbornness, Patient Assurance
  • Ninja: Locktouch, Snake Venom
  • Outlaw: Locktouch, Movement +1
  • Priestess: Miracle, Rally Luck
  • Rod Knight: Resistance +2, Distinguished Son
  • Samurai: Flowing Strike, Vantage
  • Spellcaster: Magic +2, Fortune

Promoted Classes Skills

  • Adventurer: Lucky Seven, Pass
  • Basara: Breaking Sky, Flamboyant
  • Berserker: Rally Strength, Axefaire
  • Bow Knight: Rally Skill, Kunaibreaker
  • Brave Hero: Sol, Axebreaker
  • Dark Knight: Magic Seal, Lifetaker
  • Exorcist: Rally Magic, Tomefaire
  • General: Defensive Formation, Pavise
  • Golden-Kite Warrior: Soar, Sun God
  • Great Knight: Luna, Diamond Strike
  • Holy Bowman: Raven Strike, Bowfaire
  • Jonin: Lethality, Kunaifaire
  • Maid: Servant's Joy, Tomebreaker
  • Paladin: Defender, Aegis
  • Puppeteer: Puppet Break, Copycat Puppet
  • Sorcerer: Vengeance, Bowbreaker
  • Strategist: Rally Resistance, Battle Command
  • Trueblade: Astra, Swordfaire
  • War Priestess: Renewal, Magic Counter
  • Weapon Master: Strength Seal, Line of Death


Defence +2: Defence +2
Confined Defence: When user fights in terrain with terrain effects, damage received -3 during battles

Defensive Formation: During battles, neither the user or enemy can double attack

Pavise: Skill% chance of halving damage from Sword, Lance, Axe, Beaststone, Monster or Puppet attacks
Luna: Skill% chance of ignoring half the enemy’s Defence (if user has a physical weapon) or Resistance (if user has a magical weapon)
Diamond Strike: When user triggers the battle, physical damage received -10

Resistance +2: Resistance +2
Demoiselle: Male allies within a 2 tile radius receive 2 less damage during battles
Servant's Joy: When healing an ally, the user recovers the same amount of HP

Tomebreaker: Hit rate and Avoid +50 when the enemy is equipped with a Tome

Rally Resistance: Resistance +4 to all allies within a 2 tile radius for one Turn when the “Rally” command is used
Battle Command: Allies within a 2 tile radius deal 2 extra damage and receive 2 less damage during battles


For more info about stats and growths, please go to http://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-fates/
[spoiler=Summary]

Optimal

1. General [41.18%]

2. Great Knight [32.35%]

3. n/a

Practical

1.5. General [44.12%]

1.5. Great Knight [44.12%]

3. n/a

Preferred

1. General [61.76%]

2. Great Knight [14.71%]

3. Maid [11.76%]

DLC

1. Great Lord [29.41%]

2. Dread Fighter [14.71%]

3. Dark Falcon [8.82%]

Optional Poll

1. Luna (6+1 votes) [17.65%]

2. Arthur (3+3 votes) [8.82%]

3.5. Subaki (4 votes) [11.76%]

3.5. Nishiki (3+1 votes) [8.82%]

Edited by Jayvee94

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If she gets good SPD procs, go Great Knight.

If she does not get good SPD procs, go General.

Simple as that, in my opinion.

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Great Knight all the way. I usually promote her at 18 because she needs that Horse for mid game onwards. Has no business with General ever.

Something funny to think about is Dark Flier Effie though. Her durability goes RIP but 70% Str/65% Spd and flight and keeping lance rank is lol.

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Honestly I think that her mods possibly make Knight one of her worst class trees. She wants something speedy and strong, so I'm thinking Hero or for super overkill Strength Berserker.

Effie has the same Skl growth as Charlotte, so she will face one of Charlotte's problems.

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Honestly I think that her mods possibly make Knight one of her worst class trees. She wants something speedy and strong, so I'm thinking Hero or for super overkill Strength Berserker.

In theory this sounds good, but in practice she can only dabble in Hero/Zerker if she marries Flannel or Arthur. Of course, she makes great use of those 2 (moreso Flannel), but even so she carries no weapon rank into those classes. In truth, Effie is so ridiculously strong that she could probably rock a bronze forge and still ORKO, but it's better to keep her mounted so she doesn't fall behind the rest of the crew so Great Knight is fine.

How good is Paladin for Effie, out of curiosity?

If you manage to get it somehow, it's pretty amazing. It's basically Great Knight Effie with +1 Mov and a more reliable Speed growth.

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Dammit.

Why no votes for Nishiki?! Please let him be next. Anyway, Great Knight for the better Speed cap. General re-classing isn't bad either as Defensive Formation is a MUST to have for her if your to leave her a General. For quite a character, her Speed growths are pretty steller. But...Benoit can tank better than her and is more recommended for harder difficulties. But...someone to use all the way on Nohr.

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Dammit.

Why no votes for Nishiki?! Please let him be next. Anyway, Great Knight for the better Speed cap. General re-classing isn't bad either as Defensive Formation is a MUST to have for her if your to leave her a General. For quite a character, her Speed growths are pretty steller. But...Benoit can tank better than her and is more recommended for harder difficulties. But...someone to use all the way on Nohr.

Erm, yeah... Defensive Formation hurts Effie more than it helps.

Edited by Levant Colthearts

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Erm, yeah... Defensive Formation hurts Effie more than it helps.

You are saying high Str "hurts Effie more than it helps" because that is the main reason why she cannot double.

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You are saying high Str "hurts Effie more than it helps" because that is the main reason why she cannot double.

Not even close. What if she whiffs her first attack?

Edited by Levant Colthearts

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Not even close. What if she whiffs her first attack?

Then she is about to get doubled because enemies with such a high avoid must be in high Spd classes like Trueblade/Elite Ninja/Nine-tailed Fox.

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Then she is about to get doubled because enemies with such a high avoid must be in high Spd classes like Trueblade/Elite Ninja/Nine-tailed Fox.

Well, I AM taking something you yourself stated into account... The way you're saying it, you make it sound as if everything Effie so much as stares at is gonna drop dead in one hit.

Edited by Levant Colthearts

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Well, I AM taking something you yourself stated into account... The way you're saying it, you make it sound as if everything Effie so much as stares at is gonna drop dead in one hit.

Or in 2~3 hits by using Attack Stance and/or Brave Lance.

High Spd to double is useful when a Guard Stance tanks a group of slow enemies in enemy phase. But we can have someone else like Xander(+Charlotte) to do this.

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You are saying high Str "hurts Effie more than it helps" because that is the main reason why she cannot double.

Defensive formation hurts her more than it helps because Effie can actually double some things.

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Or in 2~3 hits by using Attack Stance and/or Brave Lance.

High Spd to double is useful when a Guard Stance tanks a group of slow enemies in enemy phase. But we can have someone else like Xander(+Charlotte) to do this.

That doesn't mean Effie doesn't need to double. And the Brave Lance has only 65 base hit, meaning there's a good chance Effie whiffs an attack. Anyways, Ownagepuffs stated exactly why Defensive Formation hurts Effie more than it helps.

Edited by Levant Colthearts

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Defensive formation hurts her more than it helps because Effie can actually double some things.

For example?

She can even beat Generals in Attack Stance with someone using an Armourslayer. I don't think when she can double she needs the double.

Edited by Tooru

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For example?

Because Effie's Spd isn't awful. It's actually decent. She'll be able to double some enemies. (That's basically what he said, although you could have just scrolled up a bit...)

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It's great being able to equip or unequip skills. Trueblades? Elite Ninjas? Ranged enemies, period? Throw on Defensive Formation and throw javelins in their faces. If she can't kill in one shot, DF becomes a really great safety net for her as she softens up enemies for you for your next turn. If she doesn't need DF as everything around her is juuuust slow enough, take DF off.

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While with Benoit DF is a necessity, with Effie it's an option for versatility.

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It's great being able to equip or unequip skills. Trueblades? Elite Ninjas? Ranged enemies, period? Throw on Defensive Formation and throw javelins in their faces. If she can't kill in one shot, DF becomes a really great safety net for her as she softens up enemies for you for your next turn. If she doesn't need DF as everything around her is juuuust slow enough, take DF off.

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While with Benoit DF is a necessity, with Effie it's an option for versatility.

I can't know, but I'd imagine that Trueblades don't really have a chance to do much against Effie, because WTD (barring the odd instances of reverse katanas). Elite Ninjas... those make everyone sweat, I'm sure.

Edited by Levant Colthearts

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I can't know, but I'd imagine that Trueblades don't really have a chance to do much against Effie, because WTD (barring the odd instances of reverse katanas).

They will deal much damage if Effie leaves Knight class tree for high Spd.

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