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The unit optimization thread was getting really messy and confusing so I just decided to create a new one where people can post their units and/or their pairings asking for advice. If you do ask for help please specify which route your playing and whether or not you want to focus of kids. Thanks!

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This is a pretty decent idea, th optimization thread was getting cluttered. I've been trying to hash out my "optimal" pairings for my second run of each route, so I think I'll post them here once I'm back at my pc for some feedback

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Alrightty then. I've been meaning to do this, but I guess I'm only getting around to it now. Note that as this is my first run, it is purely an aesthetic run. What I'm curious about is if I screwed anybody over during this, if pairings aren't realistic(e.g. they don't join soon enough, etc.). Bolded are priorities/I won't switch them; I probably won't get every kid. Also, this is for Conquest.

Azura + Kaze

Leo + Felicia

Xander + Charlotte

Jakob + Nyx

Odin + Elise

Laslow + Camilla

Silas + Belka

Flannel + Effie

Arthur + Selena

Benny + Mozu

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These seem fine. The late joining servant is always going to be a bit of a pain to pair, but you can start a good amount of these when the dad joins and the bonuses all seem okay. Also, are you planning on just not using Niles? I didn't see him in your list.

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These seem fine. The late joining servant is always going to be a bit of a pain to pair, but you can start a good amount of these when the dad joins and the bonuses all seem okay. Also, are you planning on just not using Niles? I didn't see him in your list.

Oh, Niles is mine. And considering its with M!Corrin, there's no point in putting him on a list planning for children. Thanks!

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So I finally decided on my pairings for Hard/Classic on Hoshido and Nohr (Revelations is still up in the air with the cross faction pairings):

[spoiler=Birthright] Albus (my Avatar)x Scarlet

Ryoma x Kagero

Saizo x Orochi

Subaki x Oboro

Takumi x Hana

Hinata x Setsuna

Asama x Felicia

Jakob x Azura

Silas x Hinoka

Kaden x Mozu

Hayato x Sakura

Kaze x Rinka

[spoiler=Conquest] Albus x Flora (maybe; she comes so late tho)

Xander x Charlotte

Laslow x Peri

Arthur x Effie

Odin x Elise

Benny x Beruka

Kaze x Camilla

Leo x Nyx

Silas x Azura

Jakob x Mozu

Keaton x Selena

Niles x Felicia

[spoiler=Revelation] Albus x Azura

Takumi x Oboro

Subaki x Selena

This is all I have so far.

These pairings take into consideration what the kids want from an ideal parent as well as which units cover the other strengths and weaknesses the best (except Subaki x Selena; I just have to do that pairing to get it over with). I put more emphasis on the latter though cuz I know that not every kid can get their dream parent in every playthrough.

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So I finally decided on my pairings for Hard/Classic on Hoshido and Nohr (Revelations is still up in the air with the cross faction pairings):

[spoiler=Conquest] Albus x Flora (maybe; she comes so late tho)

Xander x Charlotte

Laslow x Peri

Arthur x Effie

Odin x Elise

Benny x Beruka

Kaze x Camilla

Leo x Nyx

Silas x Azura

Jakob x Mozu

Keaton x Selena

Niles x Felicia

They all seem pretty solid but I would give Velouria a mom with a better strength mod because Selena is a pretty mediocre mom no matter who you pair her with. What I would do is pass Camilla to Flannel Keaton and give Selena to Niles(She hurts Eponine the least) and then Kaze would get Felicia. Midori would then have a higher magic mod so you could make her an explosive shuriken user as an elite ninja or a shining bow user if you want to keep her as a great merchant

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What I'm thinking of doing for Revelations is (mainly for child optimization):

Xander x Charlotte

Ryoma x Kagero

Takumi x Oboro

Leo x Sakura

Saizo x Beruka

Azama x Effie

Benny x Rinkah

Odin x Elise

Hayato x Nyx

Kaden x Hana

Subaki x Selena

Hinata x Mozu/Hinoka

Silas x Hinoka/Mozu

Kaze x Azura/Orochi

Laslow x Camilla

Niles x Setsuna/Felicia

Keaton x Camilla/Setsuna

Jakob x Azura

Arthur x Peri

I'm really unsure about all of these so any and all help would be much appreciated.

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What I'm thinking of doing for Birthright:

RyomaxKagero

TakumixHana

HinataxHinoka

AzamaxRinkah

HayatoxFelicia

KazexSetsuna

SaizoxSakura

KadenxOboro

SubakixMozume

JakobxOrochi

SilasxAzura

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I guess to start, i'll post my "Optmized" Pairings for Hoshido. These were made with the intention of both the parents and Children benefitting from Pairs (mainly from a class perspective). I actually made a thread for this a while back, so I'll mostly just copy paste my explanations from there.

Female Avatar x Kaze: A gimme pairing (mostly because the two of them were leftover), though I think it could be decent with a +Str Avatar. Let's Midori roll With a +30% Activation rate to Luck based Skills due to Lucky Charm and Hoshido.

Azura x Silas: Silas and Sophie get Sky Knight for flying Lances and Azura and Shigure get Cavalier for a bulkier, mounted Lance class.

Jakob x Kagero: Gives Jakob and Kagero the only other Hidden Weapon classes they don't have access to. Also, stronk Deere.

Subaki x Oboro: Oboro get's Sky Knight and Subaki and Caeldori get Spear Fighter. Also, decent Caeldori mods.

Azama x Hinoka: Azama and Mitama get Falco Knight (for Physical Staff usage) and Mitama get's decent Physical mods.

Hinata x Setsuna: Mostly for decent mods across the board for Hisame.

Kaden x Hana: This is mostly for a glass canon Kinu, since I have no idea what classes are good for her.

Saizo x Sakura: Mixed Grey that will likely become the main Explosive Shuriken user.

Hayato x Orochi: Fairly basic Stronk Magic Rhajat. Plus, it gives all 3 of them basically every Magic using class in Hoshido.

Takumi x Mozu: Takumi get's Herb Merchant (the only bow using class he doesn't have) and Mozu get's Spear Fighter. Plus, Aptitude on Kisaragi may give him a decent niche.

Ryoma x Rinkah: Get's Ryoma Blacksmith (another Sword option) and can pass Shinonome down Ogre strike and good Physical mods.

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They all seem pretty solid but I would give Velouria a mom with a better strength mod because Selena is a pretty mediocre mom no matter who you pair her with. What I would do is pass Camilla to Flannel Keaton and give Selena to Niles(She hurts Eponine the least) and then Kaze would get Felicia. Midori would then have a higher magic mod so you could make her an explosive shuriken user as an elite ninja or a shining bow user if you want to keep her as a great merchant

@Ennui I would actually recommend keeping Keaton x Selena because it works so well battle-wise (gives Keaton the speed boost he needs, and Selena some much needed strength and added bulk). Plus Velouria in general will still be good with most moms. Felicia!Midori I definitely don't recommend as even her Mag growth will only be 20%, not exactly a good basis for a magical unit. Nina can really make the most use of Felicia's (subpar) magic stat, so keep Felicia with Niles.

Maybe switch Leo x Nyx and Niles x Felicia for better pair-up stats? Not sure how Nyx!Nina would turn out tho. I think your pairings are really good overall!

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@Ennui I would actually recommend keeping Keaton x Selena because it works so well battle-wise (gives Keaton the speed boost he needs, and Selena some much needed strength and added bulk). Plus Velouria in general will still be good with most moms. Felicia!Midori I definitely don't recommend as even her Mag growth will only be 20%, not exactly a good basis for a magical unit. Nina can really make the most use of Felicia's (subpar) magic stat, so keep Felicia with Niles.

Maybe switch Leo x Nyx and Niles x Felicia for better pair-up stats? Not sure how Nyx!Nina would turn out tho. I think your pairings are really good overall!

If you do decide to go with Niles x Nyx then Nina would get access to Diviner which is a Hoshido-exclusive class

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What I'm thinking of doing for Birthright:

RyomaxKagero

TakumixHana

HinataxHinoka

AzamaxRinkah

HayatoxFelicia

KazexSetsuna

SaizoxSakura

KadenxOboro

SubakixMozume

JakobxOrochi

SilasxAzura

Kaze x Setsuna seems a bit overkill on the speed, and they don't really benefit from each other's pair-up bonuses. The resulting Midori will have pretty shot Strength and Defense stats too.

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Kaze x Setsuna seems a bit overkill on the speed, and they don't really benefit from each other's pair-up bonuses. The resulting Midori will have pretty shot Strength and Defense stats too.

To go off this, how about switching Setsuna and Hinoka? The Pair Up bonuses in a Setsuna x Hinata pairing are pretty good for both of them and Hisame will have pretty decent Modifiers. Hinoka will at least pass Midori down an okay Strength Growth, as well as Kinshi Knight to use with her inherent Bow Rank.

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Midori is pretty slow however and would like a fast mom and fast class. Setsuna gives both of those. But yeah it doesn't do much for Kaze or Setsuna

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Midori is pretty slow however and would like a fast mom and fast class. Setsuna gives both of those. But yeah it doesn't do much for Kaze or Setsuna

Huh. Yeah I just checked and she has a base 35 speed growth?? I kinda just assumed she'd be fast cause Kaze. That's so weird.

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I guess to start, i'll post my "Optmized" Pairings for Hoshido. These were made with the intention of both the parents and Children benefitting from Pairs (mainly from a class perspective). I actually made a thread for this a while back, so I'll mostly just copy paste my explanations from there.

Female Avatar x Kaze: A gimme pairing (mostly because the two of them were leftover), though I think it could be decent with a +Str Avatar. Let's Midori roll With a +30% Activation rate to Luck based Skills due to Lucky Charm and Hoshido.

Azura x Silas: Silas and Sophie get Sky Knight for flying Lances and Azura and Shigure get Cavalier for a bulkier, mounted Lance class.

Jakob x Kagero: Gives Jakob and Kagero the only other Hidden Weapon classes they don't have access to. Also, stronk Deere.

Subaki x Oboro: Oboro get's Sky Knight and Subaki and Caeldori get Spear Fighter. Also, decent Caeldori mods.

Azama x Hinoka: Azama and Mitama get Falco Knight (for Physical Staff usage) and Mitama get's decent Physical mods.

Hinata x Setsuna: Mostly for decent mods across the board for Hisame.

Kaden x Hana: This is mostly for a glass canon Kinu, since I have no idea what classes are good for her.

Saizo x Sakura: Mixed Grey that will likely become the main Explosive Shuriken user.

Hayato x Orochi: Fairly basic Stronk Magic Rhajat. Plus, it gives all 3 of them basically every Magic using class in Hoshido.

Takumi x Mozu: Takumi get's Herb Merchant (the only bow using class he doesn't have) and Mozu get's Spear Fighter. Plus, Aptitude on Kisaragi may give him a decent niche.

Ryoma x Rinkah: Get's Ryoma Blacksmith (another Sword option) and can pass Shinonome down Ogre strike and good Physical mods.

Looks good; I like your reasoning! Maybe switch Hana and Mozu though cause I think it works better battle-wise. Takumi gets some needed speed, Kaden gets extra Strength and Defense (if Mozu promotes to either Great Merchant or Weapon Master). No idea about their kids tho lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Looks good; I like your reasoning! Maybe switch Hana and Mozu though cause I think it works better battle-wise. Takumi gets some needed speed, Kaden gets extra Strength and Defense (if Mozu promotes to either Great Merchant or Weapon Master). No idea about their kids tho lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aww, I was so proud of that Takumi x Mozu Pairing too... Hana would give Kisaragi a pretty decent +2 Speed Modifier, I'm just a little concerned about the classes everyone would get. Takumi and Kisaragi aren't really super craving the Samurai line, though Hana would get another bow class in addition to War Priestess... Hmm. I still have no idea what to look for in a good Selkie, so I guess Aptitude is a temporary solution!

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Aww, I was so proud of that Takumi x Mozu Pairing too... Hana would give Kisaragi a pretty decent +2 Speed Modifier, I'm just a little concerned about the classes everyone would get. Takumi and Kisaragi aren't really super craving the Samurai line, though Hana would get another bow class in addition to War Priestess... Hmm. I still have no idea what to look for in a good Selkie, so I guess Aptitude is a temporary solution!

Nah, if you really wanna go for that pairing, do it! I am by no means an expert on this kind of stuff. Do what your heart or the growths calculations tells you!

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Nah, if you really wanna go for that pairing, do it! I am by no means an expert on this kind of stuff. Do what your heart or the growths calculations tells you!

I kid, I kid XD I was just surprised how decent that seemingly random pairing was. In all honesty, your reccomendations are probably better, so I appreciate it.

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So here are my Conquest pairings:

XanderxEffie

OdinxCamilla

LeoxAzura

KazexCharlotte

ArthurxPeri

LazlowxBelka

NilesxFelicia

SilasxElise

JakobxNyx

KeatonxLuna

BenoitxMozu

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I want a skillset for Hero Soleil, I really love her and I want to make her a good unit for my team

Her clases are:

Mercenary

Ninja (inherited by her father)

Cavalier (inherited by her mother Peri)

Samurai (marry class with my avatar)

Shrine Maiden (buddy Mitama)

And skills from Dark Mage (her mother secondary) or any buddy class from there fathers

I'm thinking in Swordfaire and Sol

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I want a skillset for Hero Soleil, I really love her and I want to make her a good unit for my team

Her clases are:

Mercenary

Ninja (inherited by her father)

Cavalier (inherited by her mother Peri)

Samurai (marry class with my avatar)

Shrine Maiden (buddy Mitama)

And skills from Dark Mage (her mother secondary) or any buddy class from there fathers

I'm thinking in Swordfaire and Sol

The first idea that came to mind was to make an Enemy Phase focused Soleil. I'd reccomend adding Vantage, Life and Death and either Elbow Room or Strong Reposte. Basically, the idea is to have a Sword specialist Soleil with Life and Death (which is a guaranteed +15 Damage, possibly even more with whichever of the last 2 you pick) and thanks to LaD's other effect, she will hopefully be in Vantage range enough to kill people before they kill her and Sol exists as a back up incase something goes terribly.

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Who are like the best 2 or 3 mothers for: Soleil, Velour, Ophelia, Eponine, Midoriko, Kinu and Shinonome?

Those are the only children that I care of and want them to be in my main team

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