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  1. 1. Which starter is your favorite?

    • Rowlet -> Dartrix ->Decidueye
      62
    • Litten -> Torracat ->Incineroar
      45
    • Popplio -> Brionne ->Primarina
      32
    • Still can't decide -> unsure ->make up your mind
      8
  2. 2. Sun or Moon

    • Sun
      68
    • Moon
      65
    • Undecided
      14
  3. 3. Who's your favorite Island Gaurdian?

    • Tapu Koko (Electric/Fairy)
      31
    • Tapu Lele (Psychic/Fairy)
      27
    • Tapu Bulu (Grass/Fairy)
      16
    • Tapu Fini (Water/Fairy)
      30


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[spoiler=Champion spoilers]I like the amazing theme for when you defend your title, it's pretty fantastic. (I also like the fact that the player as Champion gets their own special theme in general.)

[spoiler=Champion Spoilers]You get your own defending theme? Nice. I hadn't gotten around to re-doing the league yet since I wanted to go back and complete what was left of the islands first, but that's good to hear.

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I was talking about Kukui... :/

Kukui isn't the Champion. The player is specifically referred to as "Alola's first Champion" a number of times. Kukui just challenges you for the title right after you finish the Elite Four.

[spoiler=Champion Spoilers]You get your own defending theme? Nice. I hadn't gotten around to re-doing the league yet since I wanted to go back and complete what was left of the islands first, but that's good to hear.

The theme for the battle with Kukui is your defending theme; it plays during that battle because you're technically already Champion and you're defending your title against him. It's used for all subsequent battles as the Champion.

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Kukui isn't the Champion. The player is specifically referred to as "Alola's first Champion" a number of times. Kukui just challenges you for the title right after you finish the Elite Four.

You still battle him as if he were the champion, so I count him as an unofficial one.

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You still battle him as if he were the champion, so I count him as an unofficial one.

Try challenging the Elite Four again. Spoilers: we'd have quite a few unofficial champions if all they have to be is the last fight!

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Try challenging the Elite Four again. Spoilers: we'd have quite a few unofficial champions if all they have to be is the last fight!

Except that's after you've already claimed the title. You didn't yet have it when you battle Kukui since he tells you you're not champion quite yet, so for him, the situation's a bit different.

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Oh yeah, now you're the Pokemon League champion!

Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple?

The truth is, there's one more person you have to battle to get that title.

Sounds like he is yet another champion to me, not in any way different from the previous 8 or however many we've had by now.

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Exactly. Espinosa just gave you the quote I'm referring to.

EDIT:

Also, the battle with Tapu Koko came out of nowhere. Lucky I saved the Master Ball, or I probably wouldn't have been able to catch it.

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[spoiler=E4]I like the fact that the final fight in the Elite 4 has so many possibilities, but fighting Kukui the first time is everything I wanted. He is not the Champion but he is the league's founder, so being able to fight at the top is his dream come true. But you are literally fighting Kukui from the Champion's side of the arena, so I don't consider Kukui the champ. His Braviary is crazy though. First turn he set up stealth rock with Lycanroc, then he proceeded to abuse tailwind and brave bird on Braviary and shuffle unfavourable opponents using whirlwind. Madness! It definitely had me on my toes. I wonder how he could have ever lost to the Kanto E4! Lance spammed barrier and agility on a hapless Venomoth!

Also the E4 was quite a bit different than I thought it would be! Interesting to see Nanu and Hapu duck out to prevent the E4 from being totally decimated by the same kind of team for all four members. There's never been a flying type specialist in the E4 but they have been a glut of dark type and ground type trainers.

Before the Elite 4, Hau really stepped it up... holy crap. His Raichu's psychic was a real problem. But the real shocker was the insane bulk of his Incineroar. My Primarina could only take off about 2/5ths of its HP with Moonblast while I was 2HKOed by earthquake... how embarrassing. I even had the level advantage. My EVs and IVs in sp atk must be pretty bad while Hau's are amazing.

[spoiler=My team]Because of the EXP Share, I swapped out members of my team frequently. I felt very free to experiment and rainbow beans made it easy to boost new members' hearts with Refresh.

I started with Popplio and reset a few times until I got a female. She also happened to have a Timid nature so that's cool even if her speed is not amazing. It does give her a little boost and only dimishes a stat she doesn't use. She was mostly a mainstay of the team except when she got overleveled and I boxed her for a little bit, only to pull her out for endgame.

Butterfree, Makuhita, Crabrawler, Yungoos, and Pikipek were all very temporary transients. Magnemite was too, but I took it with me until midway through the 2nd island. I caught a bagon without hunting for too long so I put it on the team because early dragons are cool.

Meowth stayed Meowth for a very long time until its defense became a liability and it couldn't reliably get off a thief attempt. I still stole the Petaya berry from the totem Salazzle. It had pickup so I got a sun stone very early, which is good for my team... I did get a Fur Coat persian which did OK. In a multibattle with friends I used its nasty plot + snarl to good effect with some coverage from Power Gem. It really is much bulkier than it looks even if technician is probably better. But it did get dropped after island 3.

I went through several Petilills to get one I liked. My very first one had Chlorophyll, which is nice for a sun team, but my team ain't that. I eventually caught another with Own Tempo and evolved it right after obtaining Giga Drain so it would get Quiver Dance after. I did give up HP ice for HP rock, but it was good filler. Lilligant's coverage is truly awful but it was able to sweep up the abudance of ground and rock types with a few quiver dances under its belt. Spent time in the box for being overleveled but was brought back for the Elite 4.

I found two female salandits!! I kept the Sassy natured one but in retrospect I should have kept the Mild one. The Mild Salandit was traded for a Goomy, but since it didn't have Sap Sipper I didn't bring Goomy onto the team. Salazzle was an amazing team member though ground types destroyed her easily, and her physical durability overall was not good. Toxic was awesome. She was eventually boxed for being overleveled but for whatever reason I didn't bring her back. She still enjoyed some use in some multibattles I had with friends.

I needed Stufful and I simply hunted for one vigilantly.

At this point my original team of Primarina, Lilligant, Shellgon, Bewear, Salazzle, and Persian was getting overleveled so all of them got boxed except for Bewear, who I love dearly.

I picked up a rough skin modest gible for a comfey off of GTS. Since that nature sucks and I see why the owner tossed it, I proceeded to breed a real winner in a Jolly rough skin gible. ROUGH SKIN IS SO GOOD. Gible replaced Shellgon because I needed a ground type and Garchomp is a favourite of mine. The updated evolution level meant I got garchomp much earlier than expected.

I found Elekids and because I'd been lacking electric types, it stayed on the team. My friends helped me evolve it into electivire just before the E4 but as electabuzz I didn't feel like I was missing out on anything.

Araquanid was a temporary member but Water Bubble Scalds even off that piss poor sp atk will punch a hole through anything. Absolutely ridiculous powerhouse.

I picked up a Plume fossil from Konikoni and Archen is just a monster. It's amazing. Archeops was a true blue MVP with STAB acrobatics off a +attack nature. It was Brave so it could have been better, but acrobatics, rock slide, crunch and u-turn offered extremely good coverage coming off of staggeringly high attack power. It also still outspeeds most of Alola. It took a thunderbolt like a champ from Raichu, and even in red HP its u-turn took off a huge chunk of HP from its opponent. So good. Also it looks super goofy in 3D and I love it more than I ever loved it in Unova. It was a monster then, and it's still a monster now.

The last slot was kinda empty for awhile, filled with Pokemon I was simply leveling to fill Pokedex entries with. Happiny, Cleffa, Igglypuff, Magby, etc.

By endgame, my final team was Archeops, Primarina, Electivire, Lilligant (own tempo), Garchomp (rough skin), and Bewear (fluffy). Bewear was the champion of tanks, completely unfazed by physical threats. Archeops was the offensive powerhouse with serious pivot potential. Garchomp was a good secondary tank. Electivire, Lilligant, and Primarina were coverage nukes when needed. Electivire in particular pulled some real weight near the end so it was a good pickup, but they all had some moments to shine.

EDIT:

Also, the battle with Tapu Koko came out of nowhere. Lucky I saved the Master Ball, or I probably wouldn't have been able to catch it.

It respawns if you knock it out so you can come back later to catch it. That way people who want to use it competitively can reset for natures/IVs more easily.

Edited by Samias

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[spoiler=E4]I like the fact that the final fight in the Elite 4 has so many possibilities, but fighting Kukui the first time is everything I wanted. He is not the Champion but he is the league's founder, so being able to fight at the top is his dream come true. But you are literally fighting Kukui from the Champion's side of the arena, so I don't consider Kukui the champ. His Braviary is crazy though. First turn he set up stealth rock with Lycanroc, then he proceeded to abuse tailwind and brave bird on Braviary and shuffle unfavourable opponents using whirlwind. Madness! It definitely had me on my toes. I wonder how he could have ever lost to the Kanto E4! Lance spammed barrier and agility on a hapless Venomoth!

Also the E4 was quite a bit different than I thought it would be! Interesting to see Nanu and Hapu duck out to prevent the E4 from being totally decimated by the same kind of team for all four members. There's never been a flying type specialist in the E4 but they have been a glut of dark type and ground type trainers.

Actually, there's only one Ground type Elite Four member, which is Bertha.

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It respawns if you knock it out so you can come back later to catch it. That way people who want to use it competitively can reset for natures/IVs more easily.

Oh. Well, now I feel silly. xP At least I didn't waste it on something really dumb.

My team after becoming champ btw:

Arie the Primarina lv. 59

Philippe the Mudsdale lv. 60

Solgaleo lv. 59

Elsa the Alolan Ninetales lv. 58

Flynn the Alolan Marowak lv. 58

Tiana the Tsareena lv. 58

I used a lot of feminine Pokemon this time. XD

Meeting Looker nearly right away was <3 I LOVE LOOKER! I knew he'd appear somewhere! Seeing Anabel was a surprise too. How'd she go from Frontier Brain to high ranking international police woman, I wonder? She also grew her hair out quite a bit, wow.

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[spoiler=Legendaries]There aren't really any roamers this time around, unless Marshadow ends up being one, so using the Master ball on a Tapu is fine, aside from Necrozma they're the hardest mons to catch in the game. Given Gamefreak's penchant for just giving away event legends instead of making you catch them, there shouldn't really be anything you need the master ball for desperately. Even Necrozma is only about as difficult as a standard level 70ish postgame legend

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Actually, there's only one Ground type Elite Four member, which is Bertha.

Ah, whoops. I guess fighting type and ghost would also be very over represented. But Bruno was always weird, he calls himself a fighting specialist but he has onix on his team. I think ground was ditched to have a rock type Elite 4 member, and ground and rock are fairly redundant when it comes to weaknesses. Swapping ghost and dark is pretty much a wash for representation, they both frequently are Elite 4 typings, with ghost in gen 1, 3, and 5, and dark in 2, 3, and 5.

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I just used my Master Ball on Solgaleo because tradition. I caught Yveltal and Kyogre using the Master Ball, so at this point I think it's just tradition for me to use it on the version legendary

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Well, I beat it. My team was:

Frankie the Arcanine level 65

Forrest the shiny Primarina level 54

Janet the Lilligant level 69 (heh)

Vahni the Dugtrio level 60

A random Jangmo-o I was evolving.

A shelgon I was leveling up ate up the last spot.

Then I also drew how the ending should have went with Lillie, which you can see in my art thread. Now, ONTO THE BATTLE TREE

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[spoiler=Legendaries]There aren't really any roamers this time around, unless Marshadow ends up being one, so using the Master ball on a Tapu is fine, aside from Necrozma they're the hardest mons to catch in the game. Given Gamefreak's penchant for just giving away event legends instead of making you catch them, there shouldn't really be anything you need the master ball for desperately. Even Necrozma is only about as difficult as a standard level 70ish postgame legend

Well yeah, I figured as much. :P

Emeraldrox: Whaaat. Did you reset for that Primarina or was it random? :O

Also, I'm a bit stuck again.

I went to see Wicke like Looker requested, but after that, nothing happened. Looker still says to see Wicke. So...what now?

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Well yeah, I figured as much. :P

Emeraldrox: Whaaat. Did you reset for that Primarina or was it random? :O

Also, I'm a bit stuck again.

I went to see Wicke like Looker requested, but after that, nothing happened. Looker still says to see Wicke. So...what now?

Random.

On a side note, my copy of moon came today, and I kind of wanna do an all ditto run just to see if I can, but I gotta find a hacker to get me 6 level 5 dittos first.

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Also, I'm a bit stuck again.

I went to see Wicke like Looker requested, but after that, nothing happened. Looker still says to see Wicke. So...what now?

You have to meet Wicke on the bottom floor of the Aether Paradise, in the last lab down the hallway (the one with the information on Cosmog). You should've been there before on your second visit with Hau and Gladion. Once you get the Beast Balls from her and return to the motel the plot will progress as normal.

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Wicke's on the bottom floor of the Aether Paradise, in the last lab down the hallway (the one with the information on Cosmog). You should've been there before on your second visit with Hau and Gladion.

...Duh, I just said I already went to see her. I talked to her and left and Looker still says "Wicke will know why you've come" blah blah blah.

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Ah, I see. I was originally going to reset for a female too to name Ariel instead of Arie, but I forgot to save before the starter choice and I didn't want to do the whole game intro over again. xP

So I settled for a male named Arie.

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...Duh, I just said I already went to see her. I talked to her and left and Looker still says "Wicke will know why you've come" blah blah blah.

Did you follow her into Secret Lab B and obtain the ten Beast Balls? If you didn't and returned to the motel just after she gave you the Big Malasadas then the plot won't advance.

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Did you follow her into Secret Lab B and obtain the ten Beast Balls? If you didn't and returned to the motel just after she gave you the Big Malasadas then the plot won't advance.

Oh, no... Oopsie. That figures. xP

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I think the words "All right!" and "Ooh, yes!" are going to trigger me for the rest of my life now; every time I enter the Battle Tree, I inevitably lose to a Lass that says just that. I don't know how they manage to always have the answers to my teams, but damn if they don't sap any potential enjoyment to be had from the Battle Tree - I haven't even been able to scout a single famous trainer yet!

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