Pokemon Sun and Moon General Discussion: Official Site updated to include every new 'mon

[Acacia Sgt]

Again, why does it have to have that base stat total? There can be exceptions to one rule. Like how not every single one of them is actually Dragon-type. A pseudo-legendary to is pretty much a late three-stage powerful Pokemon, usually, but not always Dragon-type and Haxorus fits that.

It's a matter of general concensus. And said concensus is three-stage evolution line with 600 BST in the final form. Those are the only definite traits.

Some people argue the Dragon type, others the Slow EXP group. Pokédex Placement isn't actually one I've seen, I'd think.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Acacia Sgt

[Emerson]

To be fair, Garchomp is just past the half way point in the Sinnoh dex.

Oh. Well nevermind, I forgot about that one.

Isn't Goodra in the middle too?

Edited December 30, 2016 by Emerson

[Water Mage]

This page can explain in better detail what is a Pseudo-Legendary:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudo-legendary_Pokémon

Remember people, just because a Pokemon it's powerful, it's available at late game, it's part of a 3-Stage evolution line and looks badass, that doesn't make them a Pseudo-Legendary.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Water Mage

[Konnor97]

Oh. Well nevermind, I forgot about that one.

Isn't Goodra in the middle too?

No. There are some lines after it, but it's still 706 out of 721.

[Anacybele]

because pseudo legendary is a fan made definition that was defined as exactly that

Like, it doesn't really mean anything. GF never aknowledged pseudo legendary. it's simply a way fans call pokemon with 600 BST that are not legendaries.

If you start adding other pokemon, then the term becomes even more meaning less. Why Hoxarus? Why not, idk, Gengar, Alakazam, kingdra, Aegislash or every strong pokemon with 3 stages of evolution? Why haxorus in particular?

I've never heard of it being defined as that until now, but I suppose you're right, then.

But I wasn't saying Haxorus just because it's three stages, it was also because it's a powerful Dragon type that's fairly late in the Pokedex, like I said...

[Lance Masayoshi]

I'd say this is what describes a pseudo legend the most:

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon (Japanese: 擬似伝説 pseudo-legendary) is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600 (before Mega Evolving). The term originates from the prefix pseudo-, which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-Legendary Pokémon due to their high base stats.

its at the top of the Bulbapedia page too, so

Edited December 30, 2016 by Shadowfrost Zenbiniar

[Emerson]

No. There are some lines after it, but it's still 706 out of 721.

I was thinking regional dex, not national.

Either way, it's not right before the Legends. It's in the dex around the thing's that're found before and after it.

So basically, no it doesn't fit. Leading the last 1/4th or so isn't really that big of a deal.

I've never heard of it being defined as that until now, but I suppose you're right, then.

But I wasn't saying Haxorus just because it's three stages, it was also because it's a powerful Dragon type that's fairly late in the Pokedex, like I said...

Y'know, Pokedex doesn't really matter since it's not consistent. Ever.

Garchomp is in the middle, and Goodra leads about the last 1/4th. Salamence and Metagross are before all Legends, while Dragonite and T-Tar are after the smaller legends, but before the uber legends. Kommo-o is before the Tapus, although that's where it fits.

Basically, the dex number doesn't matter since they're all just found where ever they belong due to their location in the first game they showed up in.

Therefore only BST, experience required, and 3 stage evolution is what defines a psuedo. Haxorus only fills 2/3 of them.

It's a Psuedo-Psuedo-Legendary.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Emerson

[Water Mage]

Therefore only BST, experience required, and 3 stage evolution is what defines a psuedo. Haxorus only fills 2/3 of them.

Actually, I would also add having an wide movepool, and being potential mixed attackers as traits that define a Pseudo-Legendary.

For example, the Pseudo-Legendary that has the lowest Sp.Atk is Garchomp. And yet Garchomp's base Sp.Atk is 80, which is still pretty decent, allowing it to run mixed sets.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Water Mage

[Emerson]

Actually, I would also add having an wide movepool, and being potential mixed attackers as traits that define a Pseudo-Legendary.

For example, the Pseudo-Legendary that has the lowest Sp.Atk is Garchomp. And yet Garchomp's base Sp.Atk is 80, which is still pretty decent, allowing it to run mixed sets.

I think that's just a byproduct of their high BST. They can't really allocate that to any other stat without making it broken.

High movepools I agree with, although I don't think it defines them. They all happen to have some good movepools, especially for T-Tar, which as a Rock type you wouldn't think of it getting all the stuff it has, but I don't think being a psuedo requires that, nor does having a good movepool make you a psuedo. The BST is the main reason they're psuedos.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Emerson

[PuffPuff]

What's this about being able to obtain gen 5 and gen 2 starters in this game? I haven't seen any evidence of this and they're not in the Alolan Pokedex... :/

I do frequently see requests for them on the GTS though, strangely enough. I think these people are stupid or just don't know any better because you can't get any non-gen 7 starters as far as I've seen.

No, the button in the Pokedex is simply seeing the QR code. These have been shared online, which I also linked an Imgur to a full list of them. You're supposed to use the internet or someone else's 3DS to get these- it's not cheating or anything.

The QR Scanner is the same one you used for Magearna. If you noticed, scanning Magearna gave you 20 points/2 slots in the Island Scanner.

I'd be getting them all at Bulbapedia and IGN as I needed to get Solosis for it's Ability swap to get hidden ability pokes as these are needed to find them...

-Worry Seed

-Ability Swap

-Trace

..as well as Rosalia to get Tsareena Grass Whistle as the bank isn't available to use to get it any other way. Getting it Accupressure is impossible right now. As it is on a Poke that you cannot obtain/transfer right now.

This training island is just so convenient.

An Island which, at level 3, can give up to 18 pokemon a hellton of experience, just by waiting hours, compared to only two mon from previous game by walking case-by-case.

No shame in my game, I use it. It's just too practical to pass up, it's easier to detect good pokemons. I honestly believe it's a feature that should return in the next game.

Like seriously, who could've though that Toucannon could be this good when he look like your common bird-mon ? Same with Bewear.

Also, Kommo-o is a beast, what's up with those high stats ? Lunala look like a pansy compared to him.

Lately, they have been making your common Pokes better in everything but Speed. Speed dominated the metagames for a long time. Wonder whyelse would GF decided to nerf many of Gen VII Pokes Speed?

Not to mention fully EV training 1 stat on 18 Pokemon at once while also being able to do something else in game (Or not play the game) is INSANE.

...Or getting it all done in ten minutes through Link chaining and Bracing. The Vitamins are a useless necessity now. :/

Flygon is not a psuedo-legendary. It has a BST of 520, while psuedos have 600.

Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/144.shtml

-Rakou

-Entei

-Suicune all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/243.shtml

Latias

Latios have 600 and 720 by Mega evolving

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/380.shtml

The Regi family all have 580 but Regigas having 670

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/379.shtml

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/486.shtml

The Lake Guardians all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/482.shtml

Heatran has 600, so it's a Psudo Legendary.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/485.shtml

Cresselia has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/488.shtml

Hydrigon has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/635.shtml

Cobalion, Terresta and Virizion have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/638.shtml

Tornadous, Thunderous have 580 while Landrous has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/641.shtml

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/645.shtml

Greninja is now a legend 530 for regular and 640 for event one

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/658.shtml

Blazaken is another 530 regular and 630 Mega Evoluted!

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/257.shtml

Goodra having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/706.shtml

Salamance having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/373.shtml

Dragonite having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/149.shtml

There are others but these are just most.

Oh my mistake. I thought it was, but I did think it was odd that Gen 3 had Flygon and salamence. Makes sense lol.

We know that DEFINITELY Arcainine is the psudo one from Kanto. :D

[Nobody]

for me, all that matters for it to be considered pseudo legendary is 600 BST and maybe 3 stage evolution

Edited December 31, 2016 by Nobody

[Magical Glace]

So I just did the second battle against Lusamine and I have to say, that must be an annoying battle if you don't have a bulky pokémon and you don't use the exp share.

Literally spam Moonblast, Moonlight and Comic Power with her Claifable. Has 2 pokémon with Pain split. Good thing my Toxapex managed to KO 4 of them with the help of a X Attack. (Thanks Recover and Baneful Bunker)

I'm just in front of Nebby, and I have to say, it might be the first time that I'll ever consider adding the box legendary on my team. Nebby might be my favorite legendary right now.

I just swept her with a Mimikyu.

It's a surprisingly useful little guy, must say. Free Substitute is an amazing ability.

Strangely she used pain split while Mimikyu was red, and the Mismagius wasn't... wound up healing Mimikyu quite a bit.

AI, everyone. Maybe it was the toxins that caused that... She was fused with her Nihilego...

[Emerson]

Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/144.shtml

-Rakou

-Entei

-Suicune all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/243.shtml

Latias

Latios have 600 and 720 by Mega evolving

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/380.shtml

The Regi family all have 580 but Regigas having 670

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/379.shtml

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/486.shtml

The Lake Guardians all have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/482.shtml

Heatran has 600, so it's a Psudo Legendary.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/485.shtml

Cresselia has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/488.shtml

Hydrigon has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/635.shtml

Cobalion, Terresta and Virizion have 580

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/638.shtml

Tornadous, Thunderous have 580 while Landrous has the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/641.shtml

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/645.shtml

Greninja is now a legend 530 for regular and 640 for event one

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/658.shtml

Blazaken is another 530 regular and 630 Mega Evoluted!

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/257.shtml

Goodra having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/706.shtml

Salamance having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/373.shtml

Dragonite having the 600

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/149.shtml

There are others but these are just most.

We know that DEFINITELY Arcainine is the psudo one from Kanto. :D

We already discussed this a lot, but the only psuedos are Garchomp, Dragonite, T-Tar, Metagross, Salamence, Goodra, Hydreigon, and Kommo-o.

You also listed a lot of actual Legendaries. BST has no meaning on Legendary and Mythical status, they're just Legendaries because they're Legendaries, and Mythicals because they're Mythicals.

I can't tell if that's a joke or not about it being the "Legendary Pokemon", but no Arcanine is not a psuedo. It's not even a 3 stage, which (for now) is considered defining trait of Psuedos.

[Nobody]

I just swept her with a Mimikyu.

It's a surprisingly useful little guy, must say. Free Substitute is an amazing ability.

Strangely she used pain split while Mimikyu was red, and the Mismagius wasn't... wound up healing Mimikyu quite a bit.

AI, everyone. Maybe it was the toxins that caused that... She was fused with her Nihilego...

the ai is pretty dumb when it comes to pain split

i've had times while playing the battle tree (which actually has a decent AI for a battle facility) in which the opponent with almost full HP would use pain split on my weakened pokemon

Still not as dumb as the florges that literally only uses grassy terrain and misty terrain haha

Edited December 31, 2016 by Nobody

[Nym]

I just swept her with a Mimikyu.

It's a surprisingly useful little guy, must say. Free Substitute is an amazing ability.

Strangely she used pain split while Mimikyu was red, and the Mismagius wasn't... wound up healing Mimikyu quite a bit.

AI, everyone. Maybe it was the toxins that caused that... She was fused with her Nihilego...

Yeah, she also healed Toxapex for no reason at all.

Speaking of bad AI: Hau. No wonder this guy lost to Plummia, he keeps ordering his Raichu to use Psychic on psychic types instead of Electro Ball. The Ai

seems really weird in this game.

[PuffPuff]

About Lillie, Professor and Hau...

Lillie is much like Elise that she advises things like Elise does in the Hoshido path by being with the Avatar alot helping him/her out. She is really fun to be with and could wish more than anything that her, the Professor and Hau are real. They would be wonderful friends to have. At the part on Poni Canyon and just evolved my Magneton there having new pictures coming soon. A few that I wish that were real. They'd be very fun to travel with. I'd say the same for Lana thanks to the anime.

Edited December 31, 2016 by PuffPuff

[Nym]

Just finished the story, my team: Inciniroar, Bewear, Musdale, Toxapex, Goodra and Nebby (Lunala), I also used an Alolan Raichu

Pros

Amazing story

The trials were all great

The difficulty, this was much harder than I expected, especially since I don't use the exp share

Lillie is the best female character

Gladion is great (Pokéball hand, anyone?)

Good musics

Team Skull

Z-moves

Nebby is now my favorite legendary

Evoboost

Cons

Rotom Dex won't shut up

Hau is a great rival but why didn't he got the starter that is strong against mine? I know the professor had it at the end but it was strange for me

Speaking of Hau, his AI in double battle is terrible

Dissapointed with a lot of the new pokémon (Togemaru, Lycanroc Midnight form)

Alolan Dugtrio

No ''you got all the Pokémons in the area'' like in ORAS

Ice type at the end of the journey again...

No new eeveelution

Sad ending, why did Lillie had to go :(

Edited December 31, 2016 by Nym

[Zanarkin]

Marowak turned out to be great for the normal battle tree :o.

He solo'd quite a few teams on his own. I was fairly impressed. Although, sometimes he would get wrecked if he missed the OHKO or something was just too fast and hard hitting. A lot of the time though, he outsped or just ignored the damage and kept walking. He was still fairly tanky 252/252+ HP/Att spread.

Now to try out the Super Battle Tree :V

[PuffPuff]

It still bothers me that Lillie gives you the chance to catch Cosmag(Solgaleo/Lunala) when it is HERS. They have been thick and through then. I actually don't want to catch it when it is hers. Why couldn't they have made it so that you catch the opposite of what she has. Like Solgaleo for Sun and She has Lunala. In Moon you have Lunala and she has Solgaleo? I'll just say that she'll get the opposite of what your version is because it is not fair that the writers made her not keep it? Doesn't this bother any of you? ;_; They could have made another Cosmag to avoid this sadness of them parting ways.

Why GF? Why?

Edited January 1, 2017 by PuffPuff

[Zanarkin]

It still bothers me that Lillie gives you the chance to catch Cosmag(Solgaleo/Lunala) when it is HERS. They have been thick and through then. I actually don't want to catch it when it is hers. Why couldn't they have made it so that you catch the opposite of what she has. Like Solgaleo for Sun and She has Lunala. In Moon you have Lunala and she has Solgaleo? I'll just say that she'll get the opposite of what your version is because it is not fair that the writers made her not keep it? Doesn't this bother any of you? ;_; They could have made another Cosmag to avoid this sadness of them parting ways.

Why GF? Why?

To be fair it is a very mature thing of Lillie to do what she does. She knows she can't be the trainer that Nebby wants/needs. So she lets it go to someone who she knows will take good care of Nebby and will give Nebby what it wants. Battles. At the time she does this, she still hasn't (AFAIK) resolved herself to train pokemon or become a trainer. Not to mention she understands she wouldn't be that great of a trainer right of the bat. The whole thing makes sense actually. Although when lillie first changed i thought we'd have a battle and she would have the unpicked starter line

[Nym]

It still bothers me that Lillie gives you the chance to catch Cosmag(Solgaleo/Lunala) when it is HERS. They have been thick and through then. I actually don't want to catch it when it is hers. Why couldn't they have made it so that you catch the opposite of what she has. Like Solgaleo for Sun and She has Lunala. In Moon you have Lunala and she has Solgaleo? I'll just say that she'll get the opposite of what your version is because it is not fair that the writers made her not keep it? Doesn't this bother any of you? ;_; They could have made another Cosmag to avoid this sadness of them parting ways.

Why GF? Why?

Actually, I think we can get another Cosmog on the 3rd island in the post game...

But hey, thanks to the story, I've finally found my favorite legendary: the first legendary that can evolve.

I even hesitated between adding Nebby to my team or not, which never happened before since I would always send legendaries to the Box for my collection.

GF never ceased to surprise me

[Magical Glace]

It still bothers me that Lillie gives you the chance to catch Cosmag(Solgaleo/Lunala) when it is HERS. They have been thick and through then. I actually don't want to catch it when it is hers. Why couldn't they have made it so that you catch the opposite of what she has. Like Solgaleo for Sun and She has Lunala. In Moon you have Lunala and she has Solgaleo? I'll just say that she'll get the opposite of what your version is because it is not fair that the writers made her not keep it? Doesn't this bother any of you? ;_; They could have made another Cosmag to avoid this sadness of them parting ways.

Why GF? Why?

The sad part is there is another Cosmog.

And yeah it does bother me quite a bit that Lillie doesn't keep Nebby. N giving up his Reshiram/Zekrom in BW2 as well. Both characters are clearly attached to their respective Pokémon.

[PuffPuff]

They are finally ready to get some screentime!

Folks like Hau, Lillie, Tomoyo, Son Kun/Sakura, Elise are examples that I would do anything for them for. Anything.

Edited January 3, 2017 by PuffPuff

[Anacybele]

So guys, I saw some rumors on Youtube that Pokemon Stars or whatever the Switch Pokemon game is will have 20 new Pokemon and 10 new Alolan forms. I don't think this will happen though. I mean, why would more Alolan forms just suddenly appear in the region and why would so many Pokemon be held back for the third version? If the 3DS's hardware couldn't handle it all, okay, but still, it's kind of awkward and is something GameFreak's never done before.

Even so, this is GameFreak we're talking about, so I wouldn't say it's entirely out of the question. Just doubtful.

[Magical Glace]

ORAS had megas that weren't in XY (or even patched into XY), and new forms have been a thing with mid-gen versions since Platinum. I guess new Pokémon is just taking that a bit farther.

Still taking with a grain of salt, though.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Glaceon Mage