Truthblade Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Its been released two days ago, but i'm surprised no one is discussing it here, so i decided to just go ahead and make a topic. https://smashboards.com/threads/4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list-v2-0.440779/ Link's here. What i find the most interesting is the rather large gap between the angels. Whats up with that? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why is Mewtwo so high all of a sudden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rend Keaven Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why is Mewtwo so high all of a sudden? They added more weight to him, reduced some frames for his kill moves and moves that allow him to follow up. Also, Mewtwo has been putting in a lot of work in tournaments recently. I'm surprised Roy is so low and I know this will make ZeRo want to prove them wrong even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Text version: --------------------TOP--------------------S: Diddy Kong, Cloud, Sheik, Rosalina, Mario, Sonic, FoxA: Zero Suit Samus, Ryu, Mewtwo, Bayonetta -------------------HIGH--------------------B: Pikachu, Meta Knight, Villager, Mega Man, NessC: Toon Link, Corrin, Marth, Captain Falcon, Greninja, Lucario --------------------MID---------------------D: Yoshi, Pit, Donkey Kong, Peach, Dark Pit, R.O.B., LuigiE: Olimar, Robin, Bowser, Lucas, Wario, Ike, Lucina - -------------------LOW-------------------F: Mr. Game & Watch, Pac-Man, Little Mac, Palutena, Kirby, Duck Hunt, Link G: Shulk, Samus, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario, Falco, Roy ------------------BOTTOM----------------H: Charizard, King Dedede, Zelda, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff A lot of people are saying Cloud is overrated here, and should be a tier below. I feel like Roy being just short of bottom tier is more due to the lack of representation; I wasn't expecting anything high, but being the last character in low...? Also, not to pat myself on the back (or reignite stupid debates), but the three 3rd party DLC's are top tier. And Mewtwo, the biggest winner of the patches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Why is Mewtwo so high all of a sudden? He won a major and is now a pretty common character pick, after his various buffs. Also I disagree with this list generally aside from the top set, because well everyones been getting results, theres such a huge vacuum, if you look at the results in the recent Japanese tourney I made a thread on we have some craziness like Link getting 9th etc haha. They added more weight to him, reduced some frames for his kill moves and moves that allow him to follow up. Also, Mewtwo has been putting in a lot of work in tournaments recently. I'm surprised Roy is so low and I know this will make ZeRo want to prove them wrong even more. Only people who have been proving the Roy naysayers "wrong" has been Ryo and to a smaller extent, Sethlon with some other Roy's pitching in a bit more now, ZeRo is mostly focused on being all Diddy right now. Edited August 24, 2016 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Why is Pit > Dark Pit. arrows that useful for gimping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Why is Pit > Dark Pit. arrows that useful for gimping? It's probably Earth's Pit thats convincing people of that, like people are still making insanely different lists outside the top group to the point where any one list isn't accurate imo haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblade Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Why is Pit > Dark Pit. arrows that useful for gimping? Mabye. Although Dark Pit's arm can KO more easily than Pit's, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 What i find the most interesting is the rather large gap between the angels. Whats up with that? When you look at the actual stats and data computation, they're basically at the same score. List is pretty solid, though I think Ryu should be under Bayo and Mewtwo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Why is Ike still so low after all the buffs he got? Luigi shouldn't be that low either, he's still very good even after his nerfs (though I think he was nerfed too much. He dropped a LOT after them. Characters should naturally drop after nerfs, but not THAT much...). Edited August 27, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblade Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 When you look at the actual stats and data computation, they're basically at the same score. List is pretty solid, though I think Ryu should be under Bayo and Mewtwo. Hence why I asked. What makes Pit three spots better than Pittoo if they are basiclly the same? (Not that I hate them or anything) Why is Ike still so low after all the buffs he got? Luigi shouldn't be that low either, he's still very good even after his nerfs (though I think he was nerfed too much. He dropped a LOT after them. Characters should naturally drop after nerfs, but not THAT much...). Its not just how many buffs/nerfs they have. Its how major/severe they are, and how the character was changed in comparison to the rest of the cast. Representation also has effect on this: I don't imangine many competitive smashers use Ike that much due to his relatively low attack speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Its not just how many buffs/nerfs they have. Its how major/severe they are, and how the character was changed in comparison to the rest of the cast. Representation also has effect on this: I don't imangine many competitive smashers use Ike that much due to his relatively low attack speed. It's more his recovery, lack of a super good landing option and dealing with projectiles honestly. He has some pretty quick attacks, a good grab game and fairly good combos, not to mention a pretty good mixup game. I say this as an Ike player, also there are a number of Ike's across the States, most notably Ryo & San. I think partly due to his lack of Japanese rep is where this comes from. Edited August 27, 2016 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Poor Wario, I think the problem is that pretty much nobody plays him and his lack of reliable KO moves hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Hm, I see... I guess Ike needs more results then! Because I think he's better than E tier. He should be maybe juuust inside B tier, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Here's a fancy view of the tier list - http://www.ssbwiki.com/tier_list#Super_Smash_Bros._4_tier_list It also contains data of the changes from the first tier list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Its funny because low tier tourney people are complaining about this list right now. https://twitter.com/fallnaway/status/770027526714433537 Everyone is secretly mid-tier in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveCozy Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Poor Wario, I think the problem is that pretty much nobody plays him and his lack of reliable KO moves hurts. Many top players who played him dropped Wario as well. Abadango dropped him for Mewtwo and started winning tourneys with him (also answers the question above on why Mewtwo is so high). You're right that he's got inconcistent KO moves, but I think what hurt him most was the buffs to others and the introduction of new characters. Mewtwo, Marth/Lucina and (to a lesser extent) Shulk got buffs enough to make the matchups more difficult for Wario. Cloud is just about Wario's worst matchup in the game. Basically anyone with a sword or significant range to keep Wario out beats him or makes it a difficult matchup. The exception would be Roy because of his sword design. Edited August 29, 2016 by DaveCozy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 This video is pretty informative and I figured i'd share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiac Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 It'll be fun to play Roy in low-tier tournies :^). However, this tier list is interesting. One of the reasons Roy is so low is because Sethlon didn't have any input on the tier list since he went to Super Smash Con. Sethlon is a part of the Smash Backroom. I disagree with Cloud being the 2nd best though. He can be Top 5, however, we haven't seen enough. Especially because Sheik is a lot more established. The tier list is alright though, it just underrates Duck Hunt and overrates Megaman a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troykv Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Finally? After be beated out anytime, Mewtwo Finally is in the place that he deserved as a Legendary Pokémon... I guess XDD In the other hand, Roy needs more inputs, and maybe some Buffs. I understand him be low Tier. But bordeline Bottom Tier? Oh come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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