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All right, I think it's high time I begin the planning stages of this one now! It's the sequel/counterpart to the challenging Wyvern Conquest run-- Ninja Birthright! Not only are ninjas one of the coolest Hoshido units, they're aboundingly plentiful in Birthright and much like wyverns, have the weapon triangle covered between their two upgrade paths.

Conditions:

- All units used for Endgame must end the game in a Ninja class

> Mechanist clause: Mechanists are allowed for endgame, but only if that unit has access to the ninja class tree.

- Staffbot support is allowed up until the final 2 chapters

- no challenges or skirmishes (IE, no non-support grinding)

> support clause: MAY make some exceptions to grind for supports, but only against the weakest possible enemies

- no paid DLC (including Dreadfighter and Darkflier access sadly as I only have one game on each cart)

- the free Awakening DLC & Anna DLC is available only for the sake of getting skills from those classes

> no Paragon, it makes grinding too easy

Current Status: Up to Chapter 25.

Currently Planned Pairings:

Spoiler

 

- m!Corrin x Felicia : gets Felicia ninja access with her dagger weapon rank, and is good for her pair-up skill.

- Takumi x Setsuna: gets Takumi and Kiragi ninja access.

- Hayato x Rinkah : gets Rhajat ninja access.

- Azama x Kagero : gets Azama and Mitama ninja access.

- Saizo x Sakura : Sakura gets to be ninja, Asugi gets to be royal

- Kaze x Hana : Hana gets ninja access with her sword rank and Hinoka has no ninja access.

- Ryoma x Azura

- Caden x Orochi

- Hinata x Oboro

- Jakob x Mozu

- Silas x Hinoka

- Subaki: unpaired

 

- Asugi x Sophie: gives Sophie ninja access.

- f!Kana x Shigure: Shigure is the only remaining male kid who can't get ninja naturally, so this is basically given. Don't think I'll use Shigure too much, though.

- Rhajat x Hisame: ??

 

 

 

Unit Planning Breakdown

Spoiler

 

Masato (m/f) Str+ / Mag-

- Class Path: Nohr Prince(ss) Lv10 > Ninja Lv20 > Lodestar Lv 23 > Great Knight Lv4-6 > Mechanist / Hoshido Noble Lv15 > Master Ninja (Swords + Shuriken)

- Skills: Dragon Fang, Elbow Room / Luna, Shurikenfaire, Duplicate, Dual Guard / Hoshidan Unity

- Gonna try to buy either HoshiUnity or Duplicate to same time on swapping around with classes, though another Heart Seal might cost as much lol.

Felicia

- Class Path: Maid Lv15 > Master Ninja

- Skills: Demoiselle, Tomebreaker, Poison Strike, Lethality, Shurikenfaire

- marries MU for ninja tree, good pair with him for her skill.

Felicia ! Kana

- Class Path: Princess (offspring) > Hoshido Noble Lv1-15 > (Mechanist >) Master Ninja

- Inheritance: Hoshidan Unity / Replicate (MU), Demoiselle / Tomebreaker (Felicia)

- Skills: Dragon Fang, Luna / Aether, Replicate, Awakening, Hoshidan Unity

- Awakening + Hoshidan Unity for proc abuse. awwww yea. Getting her mid-lategame will hopefully give her some Sword levels via offspring seal, after which her cool procs should be able to let her grind shuriken levels in Mechanist if I haven't passed her Replicate.

Kaze

- Class Path: Ninja Lv10 > Samurai Lv20 >> Swordmaster Lv 5-15 > Master Ninja (Swords + Shuriken)

- Skill Set: Duelist's Blow, Astra, Poison Strike / Swordfaire, Shurikenfaire, Lethality

- Still not quite sure about giving up LaD on him... but this should do fine.

Rinkah

- Class Path: Oni ASAP > Ninja Lv20 >> Mechanist (Lv15) > Master Ninja (Shuriken)

- Skill Set: Seal Res, Poison Strike, Replicate, Lethality, Shurikenfaire

- gonna be mainly paired with Rhajat since her hubby can't get ninja. Oddly enough, might be the best candidate to use the Chakram since she'll be focusing on purely shuriken for the longest.

Sakura

- Class Path: Shrine Maid >> Priestess > Mechanist (Bows)

- Skill Set: Miracle, Renewal, Countermagic, Poison Strike, Replicate

- marries Saizo for ninja

Silas

- Class Path: Cavalier >> Great Knight Lv5-15 > Master Ninja (Swords)

- Skills: Elbow Room, Luna, Poison Strike, Lethality, Armored Blow / Shelter

Saizo

- Class Path: Ninja Lv10 > Samurai Lv20 >> Arms Master Lv5 > Master Ninja (Swords + Shuriken)

- Skill Set: Poison Strike, Duelist's Blow, Seal Strength, Lethality, Shurikenfaire / Vantage

Sakura ! Asugi

- Class Path: Ninja > Samurai >> Swordmaster Lv5-15> Mechanist > Master Ninja (Swords + Shuriken)

- Inheritance: Seal Strength / Astra (Saizo), Miracle (Sakura)

- Skill Set: Miracle, Vantage / Astra, Duelist's Blow / Seal Strength, Swordfaire / Shurikenfaire, Replicate

? / Mozu ! Sophie

- Class Path: Cavalier (offspring) > Great Knight Lv5-15 > Master Ninja (swords)

- Inheritence: Armored Blow / Luna (Silas), Aptitude (Mozu) / ??

- Skill Set: Elbow Room, Luna, Poison Strike, Lethality, Armored Blow / Shelter

- marries Asugi for ninja access

- unless she gets a different parent to give her any other inheritance options, she's basically just a clone of Silas. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

Hinoka

- Class Path: Pegasus > ??

- Skill Set: Darting Blow, ?

- marries Kaze for ninjas

- can't figure out quite what I wanna do with Hinoka. She's the royal fam and CAN ninja, but figuring out how to do so efficiently is a pain. Not sure if I wanna send her through Ninja/MasterNin and just go from there, get her no particularly special skills, or start her as Archer (from A+ Setsuna) and grab Quick Draw before ending her as a Mechanist with Replicate and such.

Setsuna

- Class Path: Archer >> Sniper Lv15 > Mechanist (Bows)

- Skill Set: Quick Draw, Certain Blow, Bowfaire, Poison Touch, Replicate

Azama

- Class Path: Priest > Apothecary >> Merchant Lv5 > (Kinshi Knight Lv6 >) Mechanist (Bows)

- Skill set: Miracle, Potent Potion, Quick Salve, Profiteer / Darting Blow, Replicate

- marries Kagero for ninja, A+ Subaki for Kinshi Knight

Rinkah ! Rhajat

- Class Path: Diviner > Spearfighter > Ninja // OR // Diviner (offspring) > Basara (partner) > Spearmaster > Master Ninja (Shuriken)

- Inheritance: Seal Res (Rinkah)

- Skill Set: Mag+2, Seal Res, Seal Def, Shurikenfaire, Poison Strike / Lethality

- marries Shiro for Spearfighter access. Likely Poison Strike > Lethality due to her poor Skill stat

 

Oboro ! Hisame

- Class Path: Samurai (offspring) > Samurai Lv15 > Mechanist Lv19 > Master Ninja (Swords)

- Inheritance: Seal Res (Hinata), Seal Def / Rend Heaven (Oboro)

- Skill Set: Duelist's Blow, Astra / Rend Heaven, Swordfaire, Replicate, Lethality / filler

- A+ Asugi for ninja access

Takumi

- Class Path: Archer > Sniper Lv15 > Mechanist (Bows)

- Skill Set: Quick Draw, Certain Blow, Bowfaire, Poison Strike, Replicate

- marries Setsuna for ninja access

 

Kagero

- Class Path: Ninja >> Master Ninja Lv2-5 > Basara Lv3-6 > Mechanist Lv15 > Master Ninja (Shuriken)

- Skill Set: Poison Touch, Rend Heaven, Lethality, Replicate, Shurikenfaire

Setsuna ! Kiragi

- Class Path: Archer (offspring Seal) > Sniper Lv 5-15 > Master Ninja > Mechanist

- Inheritance: Quick Draw / Certain Blow / Bowfaire / Replicate (both/either)

- Skill Set: Quick Draw, Certain Blow, Bowfaire, Replicate, Poison Strike / Skill+2

Kagero ! Mitama

- Class Path: Shrine Maid (offspring) > Priestess Lv5-15 > Mechanist (Bows + Shuriken?)

- Inheritance: Lethality / Rend Heaven (Kagero), Potent Potion / Darting Blow (Azama)

- Skill Set: Miracle, Renewal, Lethality / Rend Heaven, Replicate, Countermagic / Darting Blow / Potent Potion

Reina

- Class Path: Kinshi Knight Lv5-8 > Basara Lv11 > Mechanist (Bows)

- Skill Set: Darting Blow, Rend Heaven, Poison Touch, Replicate, Camaraderie / Future Sight

Orochi ! Selkie

- Class Path: Kitsune (offspring) > Ninetails > Master Ninja (Shuriken)

- Inheritance: Mag+2 (Orochi)

- Skill Set: Mag+2, Evenhanded, Even Better, Grisly Wound, Shurikenfaire / Lethality

- A+ Kana for ninja access

 

Ryoma

- Class Path: Samurai >> Swordmaster Lv15 > (Arms Master Lv16 >) Master Ninja

- Skill Set: Vantage, Duelist's Blow, Astra, Swordfaire, Poison Touch / Life & Death / Lethality

Hinoka ! Midori

- Class Path: Apothecary (offspring) > Mechanist

- Inheritance: Duelist's Blow (Kaze), Darting Blow / ?? (Hinoka)

- Skill Set: Duelist's Blow, Darting Blow / ??, Replicate, Poison Strike, Potent Potion / Quick Salve

 
Hana ! Dwyer

- Class Path: Troubador (offspring) > Butler > Master Ninja

- Inheritance: Tomebreaker (Jakob), Duelist's Blow (Hana)

- Skill Set: Gentilhomme / Poison Strike, Tomebreaker, Duelist's Blow, Lethality, Shurikenfaire

- A+ Asugi for ninja access

Azura ! Shiro

- Class Path: Spearfighter > ?

- Inheritance: Seal Strength / other samurai stuff (Ryoma), Voice of Peace (Azura)

- Skill Set: ???

- A+ Asugi for ninja access. Much the same dilemma as Hinoka.

 

Ryoma ! Shigure

- Class Path: Pegasus (offspring) > Kinshi Knight Lv15 > Mechanist

- Inheritance: Duelist's Blow / Astra (Ryoma), Voice of Peace (Azura)

- Skill Set: Camaraderie, Amaterasu, Replicate, Voice of Peace / Astra, Duelist's Blow

Shura

- Class Path: Outlaw Lv 1-11 > Master Ninja Lv5-15 > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Move+1, Lucky 7, Poison Touch, Lethality, Replicate

Final unit count: 26/15 needed (AKA way too many)

Candidates to get dropped: Shura, Reina, Hinoka, Rinkah, Rhajat, Shigure, Midori, Shiro, and any other 1st genners that don't pull their weight

 

Any advice/input/suggestions are hugely appreciated, as always! I've got a lot of data-gathering to do before I begin this run, haha (something I'm trying to learn from my Wyvern Conquest run, where I didn't decide to do it until after I started the file lol).

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Hi! Let me help you! I will also do a one class only run soon, so I will go over all the points!

first of all, Yukimura can't be a ninja by heart seal. He is a mechanist that is promoted from an apothecary

+ Str -Mag is fine for a ninja. Don't go -Res because you will die.

Gender doesn't really matter. Just don't marry anyone with natural ninja access.

Ninja Talent. The more the merrier!

I'm not an expert, but normal class skills are the best for ninjas

Any physical unit plus Hayato and Azama make good ninja's.

Diffculty is your choice

No. Mechanists are not ninja's and they can also be promoted from Apothecary's. This would for me ruin the experience of One-class only rule. With the wyvern rider run its okay because both promotions are unique to the Wyvern Rider

Sure, go ahead. Staff users are always useful.

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Hi! Let me help you! I will also do a one class only run soon, so I will go over all the points!

Thanks man, much appreciated! =D

first of all, Yukimura can't be a ninja by heart seal. He is a mechanist that is promoted from an apothecary

...ah, quite right, my mistake! I will take him out of the lineup

+ Str -Mag is fine for a ninja. Don't go -Res because you will die.

-thumbs up-

Gender doesn't really matter. Just don't marry anyone with natural ninja access.

Ninja Talent. The more the merrier!

I'm not an expert, but normal class skills are the best for ninjas

Good. Less money to spend on heart seals

Any physical unit plus Hayato and Azama make good ninja's.

Duly noted! Can't get both unless Corrin is female to marry one of'em, though, hmm... Any ladies make good ninjas that don't have natural access? If not then it sounds like Corrin gonna be a lady

Diffculty is your choice

No. Mechanists are not ninja's and they can also be promoted from Apothecary's. This would for me ruin the experience of One-class only rule. With the wyvern rider run its okay because both promotions are unique to the Wyvern Rider

Ah, then I should clarify: under this rule Mechanists would only be allowed if being upgraded from a Ninja, or if that character can also heartseal into a ninja (Midori, basically). Having said that, do you still think I should disallow the mechs?

Sure, go ahead. Staff users are always useful.

Thanks for the input, man! Comments and further questions in green.

I also updated the OP with a few other questions I thought of, ehehe ;; namely, pairing suggestions

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I actually meant that anyone in a physical class (Samurai, Cavalier, etc) Plus the 2 magical users Hayato (Diviner) and Azama (Monk) can become decent Ninja's. So the gender doesn't matter. Most females can become good ninja's.

If your mechanists promote by ninja's, it's fine by me

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AH okay, I misunderstood ahaha. In that case, I will probably still lean toward people with natural weapon rank like Jakob, or anyone who makes a particularly good pairing for the eligible ninjas.

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Would you mind keeping us updated? I would love to see how this will turn out!

Thanks for the interest man! Yeah absolutely! I should mention that I have the tendency to drop off the face of the planet for sizable periods of time (I procrastinated on the Wyvern run for a few months, case in point), so that is a factor, but I def plan to see it through to the end.

Right now my hangups are 1) deciding my difficulty, 2) nailing down the squad to use, and 3) working out pairings.

So with difficulty, here are my concerns... I want something harder than Hard/Casual (or do I? lol). BUT for Hard/Classic, I worry that I'll miss the mid-battle save ability (TBH I would happily take permadeath s'long as I could still do this), and I've never done a Lunatic run before and don't know what, if any, special strategies would be required/involved. Also, I have to wonder if going Lunatic would force me to redact my no-grind policy, in which case, I'm probably better off dropping back down to Hard.

The fact is I don't really have the experience with either Lunatic OR Birthright to make the call, so that's the main reason I'm looking for outside input on that.

EDIT: Okay reading around, what I might just do is start on Hard/Classic (since I'm not a masochist; the main reason I've avoided lunatic this long lol) and if it's proving too much of a pain, just puss out and bump down to Casual again. I have no shame.

That just leaves roster and, more importantly ofc, pairings.

Any suggestions for those are fine (the more the merrier to know what my options are)!

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Aight so I'm starting to (attempt to) work out pairings and class progression and whatnot. Here's what I got so far.

Pairings:

- Takumi x Setsuna: Gets Takumi the ninja tree without having to marry Kagero. Don't know how good it makes Kiragi, but based on the mods he gets it seems pretty favorable (he's kinda squishy with +0 Def and -2 Res but everything else is good); might be good for Lethality abuse?

- Rinkah x Hayato : Doesn't help Hayato at all, but lets Rhajat inherit Ninja and gives her okay Mag and decent Speed (no help to her Skill tho lol). Is this good...? Not really sure, but I don't think Rinkah has much demand elsewhere lol.

- Kagero x Azama : Kagero is undeniably a great mom for Mitama, so that might be all there is to it lol. I'm open to other suggestions, since Kagero is a mom in high demand; ideally she should not go to Ryoma, Hinata, or Jakob, since their kids can all get access to Ninja elsewhere.

- Saizo x Sakura / Felicia: I dunno if it's worth it to train Sakura as a ninja long enough for her to get magic shuriken access, but it'd make Asugi pretty magically decent right? Same as Jakob, Felicia is another option since weapon level, etc. (not gonna use both Felicia and Jakob tho, likely only whichever comes with my Corrin)

- Kaze x ? : Kaze is the mom dump lol. Basically gotta pick whoever makes the best ninja and/or the best Midori.

- Ryoma x ? : anyone who isn't taken above and is good for Shiro; not Kagero, since the ninja inheritance is wasted on him (he can A+ Asugi for it).

- Hinata x ? : same as Ryoma-- not Kagero. Someone who's already in the lineup would be ideal, so at least one of Hisame's parents is usable, but I won't be picky about that.

- f!Corrin x Jakob / 2nd genner : probably the best pairing for Jakob and Dwyer's benefit; Jakob and Kana both get ninja from mom, and while Dwyer doesn't, he can A+ Asugi for it. Whole fam gets to be OP. Otherwise, she can marry one of the kids (I think Shigure is the only real option) into being a ninja.

- m!Corrin x Felicia / 2nd genner : Felicia may not be quite as spot-on as Jakob, but isn't terrible by any means; she's the best early Flame Shuriken user by a long shot, surely. Otherwise, same deal as female Corrin: marry Selkie or Caeldori into ninjadom.

Unpaired:

- Azura -> Caden / ?

- Mozu -> Caden / ?

- Hinoka -> Silas / Kaze / Hinata

- Felicia -> m!Corrin / Saizo

- Hana -> Kaze / Ryoma / Hinata

- Oboro -> Subaki

- Sakura -> Saizo / ?

- Orochi -> Jakob / ?

- Subaki -> Oboro

- Caden -> Azura / Mozu?

- Jakob -> f!Corrin / ?

[spoiler=Unit planning breakdown]

Corrin (m/f) Str+ / Mag-

- Class Path: Nohr Prince(ss) Lv10 > Ninja > Master Ninja / Lodestar or Greatlord / Mechanist

- Skills: Dragon Fang, Poison Strike, Draconic Hex, Duplicate, Charm / Aether / Awakening / ?

- no concrete marriage candidates yet; likely will be a dump for good backup candidates mentioned above, esp Felcia and Jakob for their personal skills. Not quite sure what I'm doing with class progression and skill build either

Silas

- Class Path: Cavalier >> Great Knight Lv5-15 > Master Ninja

- Skills: Elbow Room, Luna, Poison Strike, Lethality, Armored Blow / Shelter

- Silas' skill set actually seems... really good for a ninja, haha. And very efficient.

Kaze / Saizo

- Class Path: Ninja Lv10 > Samurai Lv20 >> Arms Master (Swordmaster) Lv 15 > Master Ninja

- Skill Set: Poison Touch, Vantage, Shurikenfaire, Seal Strength (Astra), Life&Death (Swordfaire/Duelist's Blow)

- Build focused on sword weapon level and raw attack power. Pretty efficient with seals and gets some decent skills; since there's so much raw strength boosting, I'm leaning toward giving Kaze this build, since his Str is kinda dinky, though he might struggle with it early on. Could also give it to both of'em, though. Another option is burn an extra seal to put them through Mechanist for a few levels to grab Replicate over Poison Touch.

- In Saizo's case I could also drop a few of the other skills and try to make a Lethality abuse build, since his Skill is pretty high.

Setsuna / Takumi

- Class Path: Archer >> Sniper Lv15 > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Skill+2 / Certain Blow, Quick Draw, Poison Touch, Bowfaire, Replicate

- These two don't get much do differentiate themselves (Takumi can heartseal into Basara for relevant skills there, which might be good to pass to Kiragi, but otherwise), pretty straightforward.

Kagero

- Class Path: Ninja >> Master Ninja Lv5 > Sniper / Kinshi Knight Lv6-7 > Mechanist > Master Ninja

- Skill Set: Poison Touch, Lethality, Shurikenfaire, Replicate, Quick Draw / Skill+2 / Golembane

- Aside from her cool Str, she's not got a lot on the other two OG ninjas in terms of class builds (Basara doesn't seem worth going through despite its good skills, just feels like wasted weapon levels). Can at least A+ Setsuna for Archer and dip her feet into that for Quick Draw. Would like to find a less messy class path for her if possible, depending on who she marries.

Ryoma

- Class Path: Samurai >> Swordmaster Lv15 > (Arms Master Lv17 >) Master Ninja

- Skill Set: Vantage, Duelist's Blow, Astra, Swordfaire, Poison Touch / Life & Death

- Ryoma is still basically Ryoma, just with diff stat caps I guess?

Reina

- Class Path: Kinshi Knight Lv 1-11 > Basara Lv5-15 > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Darting Blow, Rend Heaven, Poison Touch, Replicate, Quixotic / filler

- Unlike Kagero I think Reina has the chops to dip into Basara for long enough since she has some Lance exp. Not sure if Quixotic is worth it just for Rend Heaven, though.

Rinkah / Subaki / Orochi

- All three lack both weapon levels and adequate Strength, making them likely candidates to get preemptively dumped (esp Orochi, who could be a good magical ninja if not for her crappy speed). Either they'll need to Heart Seal early to start training, or need to burn an Arms Seal later; and since none of them are particularly strong early training probably isn't a great idea for them. The kids will probably be much better investments. If anyone gets used, it'll probably be Rinkah, since she comes super early and can pass Ninja to Rhajat.

Setsuna ! Kiragi

- Class Path: Archer (offspring Seal) > Sniper Lv 5-15 > Master Ninja > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Quick Draw, Replicate, Bowfaire, Lethality / Rend Heaven, Quixotic / Poison Touch

- requires a bit of ambitious class changing to make it work, but Quixotic + Lethality seems cool lol.

Shiro / Dwyer / Hisame

- These three can all A+ Asugi for Ninja, so ideally they're mothered by someone not named Kagero.

Other Kids

- Sophie and Kana are the only ones who have any relevant weapon levels (although Mitama and Caeldori can get weapon levels in Bow via Offspring), so the rest (assuming relatively lategame Offspring seals) will need Arms Scrolls, which are in short demand. Will have to be choosy.

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Seems good.

Thanks man!

Gosh it'd be nice if I could get some OTHER people's input here... Don't take this the wrong way, your input is helpful and super appreciated, but... kinda wanted to get information from multiple sources so I can make properly-informed decisions and whatnot, haha...

Maybe I'll just make a SEPARATE topic for the pairings... Other people's pairing threads seem to be getting plenty of attention...

Or @#$% it maybe I'll just decide for myself. whatever.

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First, no Shura. :(:

Second, try these?

- Kaze x Hinoka, since the only other mom who'd I like here is Oboro, who isn't going here because of ~reasons~

- Ryoma x Azura, since Shigure tends to be more support-oriented anyway, and Shiro doesn't really mind

- Hinata x Oboro is my personal OTP

- I'd go with Corrin x Felicia, then do stuff like Jakob x Hana and Tsubaki x Mozu (have Cael marry Kana). That should give you almost all of the cast.

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Eclipse comes to save the day! Hooray! TwT

First, no Shura. :(:

Second, try these?

- Kaze x Hinoka, since the only other mom who'd I like here is Oboro, who isn't going here because of ~reasons~
- Ryoma x Azura, since Shigure tends to be more support-oriented anyway, and Shiro doesn't really mind
- Hinata x Oboro is my personal OTP
- I'd go with Corrin x Felicia, then do stuff like Jakob x Hana and Tsubaki x Mozu (have Cael marry Kana). That should give you almost all of the cast.

AH, DAMMIT, I knew there was someone I was forgetting! Dx Somehow I got it in my head to list Yukimura, but not Shura... OTL... Thanks, I'll add him.

Kaze x Hinoka sounds fine to me, lets Hinoka be a ninja and Midori be a royal. Would Kaze x Hana be bad for Midori?

Ryoma x Azura sounds ok, Shigure basically doesn't matter since he can't be a ninja through any means that I could find (marrying f!MU is about it). Mainly concerned about it being good for Shiro, but he doesn't necessarily have to be good since I won't have time to train all these lance people in shurikens lol. Gonna have to pick and choose somewhere.

Hinata x Oboro huh? I was planning on Subaki x Oboro, but as long as Oboro makes Hisame good I have no objections (Hisame has swords, and thus is more important than Caeldori).

Corrin x Felicia good, was planning on it anyway. Male Corrin over female, then? I have no particular preference for Corrin's gender but sounds good!

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Hmm... At this point after all the research done, I'm realizing that it's way easier to fill an army with ninjas than it was with the wyverns, BUTTT the relevant weapon levels are much scarcer. I'm wondering if I should rethink my shipping plans to focus on desirable units, like Selkie and anyone with relevant weapon skills (IE Dwyer, Hisame, Mitama among a few others) and just focus on getting them the best parentage possible, then cut my losses with everyone else.

EDIT: Okay yeah, I'm makin' the call, anyone without sword / shuriken / bow weapon ranks is getting cut from the lineup preemptively; I'll make a few exceptions for this for some Arms Scroll recipients (Selkie and anyone else who seems particularly worth it), but other than that, I probably won't use people I can't train weapon ranks for, since this IS no-grind and all. Editing OP accordingly.

EDIT AGAIN: M!Corrin x Felicia results in a female Kana, who can't marry Caeldori, so that's a small oops there. No great loss with Caeldori tho I think...? I mean, she can offspring into Kinshi for bow rank, but ehhhh

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OP has been edited accordingly to recent discussion posts. Here's the updated pairing info + new individual unit plans

[spoiler=Currently Planned Pairings]

- m!Corrin x Felicia : gets Felicia ninja access with her dagger weapon rank, good for her pair-up skill.

- Takumi x Setsuna: gets Takumi and Kiragi ninja access

- Rinkah x Hayato : gives Rhajat ninja access

- Kagero x Azama : gives Azama and Mitama ninja access, makes Mitama SO STRONGTH

- Saizo x Sakura: just a good pair I guess...?? Sakura CAN be ninja by this, but IDK if it's worth the effort.

- Kaze x Hinoka / Hana : Hinoka gets access to Ninja and Midori gets to be a royal. Hana has a sword weapon rank already, so she's more likely to actually get used.

- Ryoma x Azura / ? : Whoever marries Ryoma isn't getting used, so it's more about who makes Shiro good. Since Shiro can't start with any of the weapon ranks he needs, he either needs to be good enough to warrant spending Arms Scrolls on, or get an unimportant mom and go unusued.

- Caden x Mozu / Azura / Hinoka / ? : Selkie is one of the kids I definitely want in on the ninja action, as her Kitsune skills are brilliant for it. As such, I want the best possible mom for her.

- Hinata x Oboro / ? : Mainly matters for Hisame, since his parents won't be usable.

- Jakob x Hana / Orochi : see above

Not concretely paired:

- Azura

- Hinoka

- Hana

- Mozu

- Orochi

- Oboro

[spoiler=Planned units added to OP]

Azama

- Class Path: Priest > Apothecary / Ninja >> ?

- marries Kagero for ninja. Probably not gonna keep him until the end, but we'll see how he performs. Maybe he'll surprise me. If he does I'll update him with a skill build

Shura

- Class Path: Outlaw Lv 1-11 > Master Ninja Lv5-15 > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Move+1, Lucky 7, Poison Touch, Lethality, Replicate

- Shura seems fine, but if he doesn't perform, he's probably getting dropped.

Kagero ! Mitama

- Class Path: Shrine Maid (offspring) > Priestess Lv15 > Mechanist

- Skill Set: Miracle, Renewal, Countermagic, Replicate, Poison Touch / Quick Draw / Lethality

- TAAAAANK. I'm actually really excited about trying her out haha. She'll probably be recruited late to get the most out of her offspring seal and so Kagero has enough time to grind for something good to pass her.

Sakura ! Asugi

- Class Path: Ninja (offspring) > Master Ninja > Swordmaster/Arms Master Lv5-15 > Mechanist Lv15+ > Master Ninja

- Skill Set: Vantage, Astra, Life&Death, Replicate, Duelist's Blow / Shurikenfaire / Swordfaire

- Hooboy, he is gonna be a monster. Saizo can pass him something from whichever Samurai class HE upgrades into, then Asugi can take the other road for the best of both worlds (and efficiency!). Most likely going to marry Selkie to get her in the ninja game.

Shiro / Dwyer / Hisame

- These three can all A+ Asugi for Ninja, so ideally they're mothered by someone not named Kagero.

- Shiro either needs to have really good eugenics to make it worth training him in the needed weapon ranks, or get the mom leftovers and be ditched.

Others that may or may not be used:

- Rinkah: comes early so I'll probably use her until Hayato comes around and I can support grind the two. In the unlikely event that I get Revelations and unlock Dreadfighter, she's a definite candidate for that, since her Axe levels will actually mean something.

- Subaki / Orochi: no weapon rank and too weak to reasonably train up early-game (and in Orochi's case, too damn slow)

- Hinoka: If she marries Kaze, she'll have access, but no weapon level. I have more hope for her to do well as a ninja than the others listed above, but I question whether she'll be worth spending Arms Scrolls on over the kids or, at least, whether she'll have trouble grinding weapon ranks early on.

- Hana: has to marry Kaze to get ninja, and comes with sword rank. Not sure if this works out well for Midori, who I'm more concerned with, so mehhh

- Rhajat: gets ninja naturally via inheritance, but needs Arms Scrolls in order to use Flame Shuriken and has bad Skill aside, so she has significantly lower priority.

- Shigure / Caeldori: Has to marry Kana for ninjas, and only gets Bow ranks by Offspringing into Kinshi. Usable, but not as important overall.

And now I guess I'll rank ppl in terms of Arms Scroll priority? There are 5 available without doing the skirmishes or anything if Birthright has the same amount as Conquest does.

*** unknown!Selkie: definitely gets at least one to get her to Iron katana/shuriken, maybe two.

** unknown!Shiro: top candidate only if he has good eugenics for it and other candidates get rejected.

** Rinkah!Rhajat: IDK how much of a problem her bad Skill is gonna be, but if it's not too bad, she could be really powerful as a magical ninja. My only concern is the abundance of them (Felicia and Asugi at least are almost certainly being used, and Sakura is a candidate for them as well)

* Sakura: can get ninja access pretty early, but might have trouble training for weapon ranks with her Str. But hell, maybe she'll be blessed in it, we'll see.

* Hinoka: If she marries Kaze, she can be trained relatively early, and might not need them?

* Rinkah: I want to give her a chance, but plenty of others deserve the AS more so her best shot is to heartseal and train early.

* anyone who marries Kaze other than Hinoka if they don't already have sword/shuriken/bow levels, depending on how good they are

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Give Rinkah a seraph robe and she can do work as a tanky ninja. The Seal Res debuff can make her a good partner for your flame shuriken users cuz she will be getting them to -8 res or something per fight.

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Give Rinkah a seraph robe and she can do work as a tanky ninja. The Seal Res debuff can make her a good partner for your flame shuriken users cuz she will be getting them to -8 res or something per fight.

I'll consider it! She DOES come pretty early so maybe she can work with one of those early Heart Seals.

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Give Rinkah a seraph robe and she can do work as a tanky ninja. The Seal Res debuff can make her a good partner for your flame shuriken users cuz she will be getting them to -8 res or something per fight.

That ain't how debuffs work. Only the largest debuff gets applied if two debuffs target the same stat.

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That ain't how debuffs work. Only the largest debuff gets applied if two debuffs target the same stat.

Duly noted, though not a dealbreaker.

I just had a thought; is Kagero x Caden a good pair at all? That'd get both Caden and Selkie into the ninja tree without Selkie having to marry for it, though it sacrifices the monster that would be Kagero!Mitama.

Otherwise, who's a good mom for Selkie just in general?

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IMO Azama/Mitama work better as ninjas than Kaden/Selkie. Weird as it will sound, I'd have Kaden marry Orochi, and attempt a pure magical build (Selkie can survive the Speed hit). If you get Selkie late enough, she'll do a really nice chunk of damage thanks to the Kitsune skills. I did Orochi!Mitama, and it wasn't worth it at all.

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IMO Azama/Mitama work better as ninjas than Kaden/Selkie. Weird as it will sound, I'd have Kaden marry Orochi, and attempt a pure magical build (Selkie can survive the Speed hit). If you get Selkie late enough, she'll do a really nice chunk of damage thanks to the Kitsune skills. I did Orochi!Mitama, and it wasn't worth it at all.

Sounds weird, but worth a shot I suppose! From what I recall Selkie doesn't do tons of damage like the Wolfie counterparts do anyway, so I'd be willing to try. I'm slightly more interested in who makes a Selkie just really good in general (IE Effie as Mitama's mom, if there are any just really objectively good pairings like that for Caden), but I won't knock it.

EDIT: On a random side note, thinking about those two in terms of supports/shipping they seem like they'd be really cute together haha.

Thought about the magical ninjas and it occurred to me that a few of them can use other magical weapons than just Flame Shurikens / Felicia's Plates, since I can get a Levin Sword, Leo Iceblade, and Shining Bow through the Battle rewards... Asugi can make use of the swords and Sakura can use the bow to let others like Felicia and Selkie have the shurikens, if nothing else.

Now the issue is to figure out how to juggle Arms Scrolls between Selkie, Rhajat, and Shiro. I guess 2 > Selkie, 2 > Rhajat and 1 > Shiro could work, although that doesn't leave me a ton of leeway if none of my units are close enough to S-rank for shurikens, ahaha. Oh well.

EDIT: Furthermore since my Corrin is both male and marrying gen 1 and there appears to be no way for Caeldori to get ninja (she would have to marry m!Kana), it looks like Subaki is the dude who's going unmarried in this run. On that note, is Mozu an okay mother for Selkie, since she's not getting paired up with Subaki?

EDIT AGAIN: Here's the current list of decided / undecided pairs for the sake of viewing/discussing flexibility.

- m!MU x Felicia

- Takumi x Setsuna

- Hayato x Rinkah

- Saizo x Sakura

- Azama x Kagero

- Hinata x Oboro

- Asugi x Selkie

- f!Kana x Shigure

- Jakob x Hana / Orochi / Azura

- Silas x Mozu / Hinoka / Hana

- Kaze x Hinoka / Hana / Azura / Mozu

- Ryoma x Azura / Mozu / Hana

- Caden x Orochi / Mozu / Azura

- Subaki x Mozu / Azura / Hana

Eclipse's suggestions underlined ofc along with other options I'd like to consider for each of them.

I almost forgot about Silas, and while I don't think Sophie will be able to get ninja access either (much like Caeldori she'd have to marry for it) I'd rather marry Silas off than Subaki since Silas is pretty much guaranteed to be used.

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Kaden is almost the same thing as Kaze, except with Luck, Higher Hp and a little less Resistance if i recall correctly. The problem is that he has to deal with Hidden Weapons E-rank hell before the lazy Birthright actually begins (middle of chapter 14)

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Personally, I really have to question the presence of Quixotic and Life and Death on some of your units - I honestly think they do more harm than good. I also think waiting to get Asugi until Offspring Seals become available is questionable, especially if you plan on using any of Shiro, Hisame or Dwyer.

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Personally, I really have to question the presence of Quixotic and Life and Death on some of your units - I honestly think they do more harm than good. I also think waiting to get Asugi until Offspring Seals become available is questionable, especially if you plan on using any of Shiro, Hisame or Dwyer.

Aight, noted. What would you propose instead? Whole purpose of this thread was to get advice and input on how to do this well, so I'm very open to suggestions lol.

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Kaden is almost the same thing as Kaze, except with Luck, Higher Hp and a little less Resistance if i recall correctly. The problem is that he has to deal with Hidden Weapons E-rank hell before the lazy Birthright actually begins (middle of chapter 14)

Oops almost forgot to acknowledge you, good sir. Duly noted on stats, though weaponwise I'm not too worried there since Kaden won't be ninjaing this go around, it's mainly Selkie whom I wanna worry about that with, and she's the primary Arms Scroll recipient due to Grisly Wound and such making her probably amazing as a ninja.

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Aight, noted. What would you propose instead? Whole purpose of this thread was to get advice and input on how to do this well, so I'm very open to suggestions lol.

For starters, I'd consider Astra and Duelist's Blow (or Seal Strength) for the twins over LaD and Vantage (I personally wouldn't trust Vantage to get me out of a bind).

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For starters, I'd consider Astra and Duelist's Blow (or Seal Strength) for the twins over LaD and Vantage (I personally wouldn't trust Vantage to get me out of a bind).

Gotcha. I was thinking since Kaze has pretty good speed (and thus, avo) that he might be able to get away with LaD for boosting his damage output (since his is usually pretty bad) and that Vantage could make it so that he can kill preemptively if he's targeted while damaged... though now that I think about it, LaD is probably gonna make it so that anything that hits him will make him crumple immediately... Always the Sacrificial Knife to get him low enough, but... You make a fair point. Duelist's Blow is a pretty attractive option anyway TBH, I'm down.

I will highly consider this, thanks for your input. If you have any other suggestions, I'm open to them as well!

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