Fire Emblem Heroes General Discussion and Links

[Othin]

26 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yes, but I did say notable characters though. A bunch of Tellius's playables are minor and unimportant too. Like, how many people are going to care about Gareth, Largo, Lyre, Meg... And there are still non-playable notable characters from Tellius to be added too, like Petrine, Bryce, Lekain, etc.

TH has the remaining students and the faculty, which is quite a few.

Yeah, and I agree that 3H has a higher density of noteworthy characters. I just think it's another interesting comparison.

The only other game I can think of that's missing as many playable characters as FE10 is FE12, which is missing about 48.

[Anacybele]

9 minutes ago, Othin said:

Yeah, and I agree that 3H has a higher density of noteworthy characters. I just think it's another interesting comparison.

The only other game I can think of that's missing as many playable characters as FE10 is FE12, which is missing about 48.

Oh yeah, it still is an interesting comparison.

And I see.

[Othin]

Now I want to take this a step further. I remember someone doing this kind of analysis a while ago, but I think they stopped?

• FE4 Gen 1:
  • Available: 12/24 (50%) - Sigurd, Arden, Quan, Ethlyn, Finn, Ayra, Jamke, Dierdre, Lechesis, Lewyn, Silvia, Tailtiu
  • Unavailable: 12/24 (50%) - Alec, Naoise, Azelle, Lex, Midir, Edain, Dew, Chulainn, Beowulf, Erinys, Claud, Brigid
  • Complicated: 0/24
• FE4 Gen 2:
  • Available: 11/25 (44%) - Seliph, Larcei, Julia, Shannan, Leif, Nanna, Finn, Ares, Lene, Ced, Altena
  • Unavailable: 14/25 (56%) - Lana, Ulster, Oifey, Diarmuid, Lester, Fee, Arthur, Iuchar, Iucharba, Patty, Tine, Febail, Hannibal, Coirpre
  • Complicated: 0/25
• FE5:
  • Available: 10/52 (19.2%) - Leif, Finn, Eyvel, Osian, Tanya, Nanna, Olwen, Mareeta, Saias, Ced
  • Unavailable: 42/52 (80.8%) - Halvan, Dagdar, Marty, Ronan, Lifis, Safy, Brighton, Machyua, Laran, Fergus, Karin, Dalsin, Asbel, Hicks, Shiva, Carrion, Selfina, Cain, Alva, Robert, Fred, Salem, Perne, Troude, Tina, Glade, Dean, Eda, Homer, Linoan, Ralf, Ilios, Seluf, Sara, Miranda, Shannam, Misha, Xavier, Amalda, Conomor, Diarmuid, Galzus
  • Complicated: 0/52
• FE6:
  • Available: 21/54 (38.9%) - Roy, Shanna, Chad, Lugh, Clarine, Rutger, Sue, Lilina, Gwendolyn, Fir, Klein, Thea, Larum, Echidna, Bartre, Raigh, Perceval, Cecilia, Sophia, Igrene, Fae
  • Unavailable: 31/54 (57.4%) - Marcus, Alen, Lance, Bors, Merlinus, Elen, Dieck, Wade, Lot, Saul, Dorothy, Zelot, Trec, Noah, Astolfo, Barthe, Ogier, Sin, Gonzales, Geese, Elffin, Cath, Melady, Garret, Hugh, Zeiss, Douglas, Niime, Juno, Dayan, Yoder
  • Complicated: 2 (3.7%) - Wolt, Karel
• FE7:
  • Available: 23/42 (54.8%) - Lyn, Florina, Dorcas, Serra, Rath, Matthew, Nils, Lucius, Eliwood, Rebecca, Hector, Priscilla, Raven, Canas, Fiora, Legault, Ninian, Heath, Hawkeye, Karel, Nino, Jaffar, Karla
  • Unavailable: 16/42 (38.1%) - Sain, Kent, Erk, Wallace, Marcus, Lowen, Oswin, Guy, Merlinus, Dart, Isadora, Geitz, Harken, Renault, Athos, Farina
  • Complicated: 3/42 (7.1%) - Bartre, Pent, Louise
• FE8:
  • Available: 16/34 (47.1%) - Eirika, Ephraim, Seth, Ross, Lute, Joshua, Tana, Amelia, Innes, Gerik, Tethys, Marisa, Ewan, Cormag, L'Arachel, Myrrh
  • Unavailable: 17/34 (50%) - Franz, Gilliam, Vanessa, Moulder, Garcia, Neimi, Colm, Artur, Natasha, Forde, Kyle, Orson, Duessel, Saleh, Rennal, Knoll, Syrene
  • Complicated: 1/34 (2.9%) - Dozla
• FE10:
  • Available: 24/73 (32.9%) - Micaiah, Sothe, Nailah, Black Knight, Elincia, Leanne, Haar, Nephenee, Lethe, Mordecai, Ike, Titania, Soren, Mist, Oscar, Mia, Ranulf, Reyson, Sigrun, Sanaki, Naesala, Tibarn, Oliver, Caineghis
  • Unavailable: 45/73 (61.6%) - Edward, Leonardo, Nolan, Laura, Aran, Meg, Volug, Zihark, Tauroneo, Jill, Fiona, Tormod, Muarim, Vika, Marcia, Nealuchi, Brom, Heather, Lucia, Geoffrey, Kieran, Astrid, Makalov, Danved, Calill, Boyd, Shinon, Gatrie, Rhys, Lyre, Kyza, Janaff, Ulki, Skrimir, Pelleas, Stefan, Bastian, Volke, Ena, Kurthnaga, Giffca, Renning, Nasir, Gareth, Lehran
  • Complicated: 4/73 (5.5%) - Ilyana, Rafiel, Rolf, Tanith
• New Mystery:
  • Available: 31/77 (40.3%) - Marth, Roderick, Luke, Draug, Gordin, Catria, Linde, Palla, Ogma, Sirius, Caeda, Navarre, Phina, Cain, Bantu, Jeorge, Minerva, Merric, Tiki, Est, Abel, Astram, Sheena, Maria, Wrys, Athena, Barst, Norne, Katarina, Michalis, Nagi
  • Unavailable: 45/77 (58.4%) - Cecil, Arran, Ryan, Marisha, Warren, Julian, Matthis, Yuliya, Jubelo, Castor, Rickard, Samuel, Wendell, Arlen, Xane, Samson, Roshea, Midia, Lena, Nyna, Kris, Cord, Bord, Frey, Caesar, Radd, Roger, Etzel, Dice, Malice, Horace, Jake, Darros, Roberto, Belf, Reiden, Beck, Dolph, Macellan, Tomas, Frost, Wolf, Sedgar, Vyland, Ymir
  • Complicated: 1/77 (1.3%) - Elice
• Awakening:
  • Available: 36/49 (73.5%) - Chrom, Robin, Lissa, Frederick, Sully, Virion, Stahl, Sumia, Donnel, Lon'qu, Maribelle, Panne, Gaius, Cordelia, Nowi, Libra, Tharja, Olivia, Cherche, Henry, Say'ri, Tiki, Gangrel, Walhart, Emmeryn, Aversa, Lucina, Owain, Brady, Kjelle, Cynthia, Gerome, Morgan, Yarne, Nah
  • Unavailable: 10/49 (20.4%) - Vaike, Miriel, Kellam, Ricken, Gregor, Basilio, Flavia, Yen'fay, Priam, Laurent
  • Complicated: 3/49 (6.1%) - Inigo, Severa, Noire
• Fates:
  • Available: 47/68 (69.1%) - Corrin, Azura, Felicia, Jakob, Kaze, Silas, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi, Sakura, Hana, Subaki, Saizo, Rinkah, Kagero, Oboro, Hinata, Setsuna, Azama, Kaden, Xander, Camilla, Leo, Elise, Effie, Arthur, Beruka, Selena, Niles, Odin, Peri, Laslow, Keaton, Flora, Gunter, Kana, Shigure, Midori, Shiro, Rhajat, Selkie, Siegbert, Forrest, Nina, Ophelia, Soleil, Velouria
  • Unavailable: 20/68 (29.4%) - Mozu, Shura, Izana, Orochi, Hayato, Reina, Yukimura, Scarlet, Nyx, Benny, Fuga, Dwyer, Sophie, Kiragi, Caeldori, Asugi, Hisame, Mitama, Ignatius, Percy
  • Complicated: 1/68 (1.5%) - Charlotte
• Shadows of Valentia:
  • Available: 25/34 (73.5%) - Alm, Lukas, Gray, Tobin, Kliff, Silque, Clair, Clive, Forsyth, Python, Mathilda, Delthea, Celica, Mae, Boey, Genny, Saber, Valbar, Leon, Palla, Catria, Sonya, Est, Faye, Conrad
  • Unavailable: 8/34 (23.5%) - Luthier, Tatiana, Mycen, Kamui, Atlas, Jesse, Deen, Nomah
  • Complicated: 1/34 (2.9%) - Zeke
• Three Houses:
  • Available: 12/39 (30.8%) - Byleth, Edelgard, Hubert, Ferdinand, Bernadetta, Petra, Dimitri, Mercedes, Annette, Claude, Hilda, Lysithea
  • Unavailable: 26/39 (66.7%) - Dorothea, Caspar, Linhardt, Dedue, Felix, Ashe, Sylvain, Ingrid, Lorenz, Raphael, Ignatz, Marianne, Leonie, Yuri, Balthus, Constance, Hapi, Manuela, Hanneman, Seteth, Flayn, Cyril, Catherine, Alois, Gilbert, Shamir
  • Complicated: 1/39 (2.6%) - Jeritza, Anna

Available ratios: SOV > Awakening > Fates > FE7 > FE4-1 > FE8 > FE4-2 > NM > FE6 > FE10 > 3H > FE5

Unavailable ratios: FE5 > 3H > FE10 > NM > FE6 > FE4-2 > FE4-1 = FE8 > FE7 > Fates > SOV > Awakening

Almost the same either way you count it, but a few things shift around slightly.

Edit: Corrected an error with the Awakening numbers.

Edit: Updated to account for the new Awakening banner. Also removed Anna from Fates and Three Houses.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Othin

[Anacybele]

33 minutes ago, Othin said:

Complicated: 3/42 (7.1%) - Bartre, Pent, Louise

Um, what's he doing here? Bartre has both a normal version and an alt in the game, so I don't get what makes him complicated here?

Oh, unless you're referring to younger Bartre. Right, yeah.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Anacybele

[Othin]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Um, what's he doing here? Bartre has both a normal version and an alt in the game, so I don't get what makes him complicated here?

Oh, unless you're referring to younger Bartre. Right, yeah.

Yeah, I decided that if a character who was playable in both FE6 and FE7 had shown up in Heroes from just one of those timeframes, they'd count as complicated for the other. Same reason as Karel for FE6.

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Othin said:

Yeah, I decided that if a character who was playable in both FE6 and FE7 had shown up in Heroes from just one of those timeframes, they'd count as complicated for the other. Same reason as Karel for FE6.

Oh, okay then, makes sense.

Well, seeing the list of unavailable Awakening characters, I actually wouldn't mind having Priam or Basilio, so I'd go for them if they're in the banner and it is indeed Awakening. I like Inigo and Severa too, but since they already are in the game in some form, I wouldn't be quite as interested. I'd be a bit more interested in Inigo out of the two though.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Anacybele

[Sunwoo]

Also, these are only the playable characters, right? Adding in NPCs and final bosses and other (semi) important villains makes the tally even more complicated.

[Karimlan]

Yep, you got that right. You don't see Reinhardt in the FE5 section, for a start.

[Othin]

6 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

Also, these are only the playable characters, right? Adding in NPCs and final bosses and other (semi) important villains makes the tally even more complicated.

Yeah, playable only since that's a mostly simple metric. Although it does have a few subjective calls, like the Creature Campaign units in FE8. (I decided not to count those.)

[Anacybele]

Something's going on with the devs and whoever posts on the Twitter pages. There are no Twitter posts for the new trailer and no in-game notification. I hope this isn't an indication of something bad.

[Hilda]

6 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Something's going on with the devs and whoever posts on the Twitter pages. There are no Twitter posts for the new trailer and no in-game notification. I hope this isn't an indication of something bad.

most likely because of all the stuff thats happening in the USA. Most game-companies have postponed stuff due to the political situation there

[Anacybele]

2 minutes ago, Hilda said:

most likely because of all the stuff thats happening in the USA. Most game-companies have postponed stuff due to the political situation there

That doesn't make sense. Because why would that affect the Japanese? It's the US's problem, they have zero to do with it. If it was just the English Twitter not posting, I'd agree though.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Anacybele

[Hilda]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

That doesn't make sense. Because why would that affect the Japanese? It's the US's problem, they have zero to do with it. If it was just the English Twitter not posting, I'd agree though.

Ever heard of PR? just look at Sony and Capcom

[Anacybele]

Just now, Hilda said:

Ever heard of PR? just look at Sony and Capcom

Yeah, but I still don't understand why they'd have bad PR if they carried on with their business since they're from a faraway unaffected country. It isn't really fair to the Japanese fans who did nothing wrong.

Heck, it's not fair to the western folks who did nothing wrong either, but the problem is still going on in the US, so...

[Tybrosion]

6 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Something's going on with the devs and whoever posts on the Twitter pages. There are no Twitter posts for the new trailer and no in-game notification. I hope this isn't an indication of something bad.

This is the reason:

Spoiler

 

Don't ask me why because I have no clue. 

If someone who knows Japanese / plays the game in Japanese can help out here, I'd appreciate it.

[Hilda]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, but I still don't understand why they'd have bad PR if they carried on with their business since they're from a faraway unaffected country. It isn't really fair to the Japanese fans who did nothing wrong.

Heck, it's not fair to the western folks who did nothing wrong either, but the problem is still going on in the US, so...

why are you seeing this as punishment? Sony started it with postponing their PS5 presentation and others are following suit, they are basicly taking a political stance (although i think the reason is more that now is not such a good time for PR)

[Anacybele]

Just now, Tybrosion said:

This is the reason:

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Don't ask me why because I have no clue. 

If someone who knows Japanese / plays the game in Japanese can help out here, I'd appreciate it.

Oh... Huh... This is very unusual. I'd like to get an official reason for it myself. Right now, even the US problems are just speculation.

[Jave]

58 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Oh... Huh... This is very unusual. I'd like to get an official reason for it myself. Right now, even the US problems are just speculation.

There was actually a major situation on Tuesday where companies would agree to not post anything unrelated to the current events in the US, along with the hashtag #BlackoutTuesday. This obviously caused a lot of news to be delayed, and most companies haven't fully returned to their usual posting routines.

It's not official, but it's very safe to assume the current global events are what's affecting this.

[XRay]

3 minutes ago, Jave said:

There was actually a major situation on Tuesday where companies would agree to not post anything unrelated to the current events in the US, along with the hashtag #BlackoutTuesday. This obviously caused a lot of news to be delayed, and most companies haven't fully returned to their usual posting routines.

It's not official, but it's very safe to assume the current global events are what's affecting this.

I think that is the most likely reason, and I am glad international companies, especially those from allied countries, are taking a stance on this issue. Hopefully companies will resume posting things soon.

[Vicious Sal]

Spoiler

I am going to Ally support Emmeryn and Kliff as soon as she’s released.

 

I am going to have so much fun with that duo.

[Ice Dragon]

1 hour ago, Vicious Sal said:

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I am going to Ally support Emmeryn and Kliff as soon as she’s released.

 

I am going to have so much fun with that duo.

There's no reason to spoiler out Emmeryn. She's already been announced on the main site.

[Othin]

13 hours ago, Othin said:

Edit: Updated to account for the new Awakening banner. Also removed Anna from Fates and Three Houses.

Edited my previous post to account for the new trailer. Given that we got Apotheosis Anna rather than Trickster Anna, I don't think Heroes is worrying much about distinctions between specific Annas.

One way to simplify the calculations is to split the difference and count the "complicated" ones as half. In that case, the playable roster statuses become:

• Awakening: 37.5/49 (76.5%)
• SOV: 25.5/34 (75%)
• Fates: 47.5/68 (69.9%)
• FE7: 24.5/42 (58.3%)
• FE4 Gen 1: 12/24 (50.0%)
• FE8: 16.5/34 (48.5%)
• FE4 Gen 2: 11/25 (44.0%)
• New Mystery: 31.5/77 (40.9%)
• FE6: 22/54 (40.7%)
• FE10: 26/73 (35.6%)
• Three Houses: 12.5/39 (32.1%)
• FE5: 10/52 (19.2%)

Edited June 4, 2020 by Othin

[Anacybele]

8 hours ago, Jave said:

There was actually a major situation on Tuesday where companies would agree to not post anything unrelated to the current events in the US, along with the hashtag #BlackoutTuesday. This obviously caused a lot of news to be delayed, and most companies haven't fully returned to their usual posting routines.

It's not official, but it's very safe to assume the current global events are what's affecting this.

Oh, yeah, I did see something about that. I didn't give it much thought then and forgot about it. Makes sense.

[Fabulously Olivier]

2 hours ago, Othin said:

Edited my previous post to account for the new trailer. Given that we got Apotheosis Anna rather than Trickster Anna, I don't think Heroes is worrying much about distinctions between specific Annas.

One way to simplify the calculations is to split the difference and count the "complicated" ones as half. In that case, the playable roster statuses become:

• Awakening: 37.5/49 (76.5%)
• SOV: 25.5/34 (75%)
• Fates: 47.5/68 (69.9%)
• FE7: 24.5/42 (58.3%)
• FE4 Gen 1: 12/24 (50.0%)
• FE8: 16.5/34 (48.5%)
• FE4 Gen 2: 11/25 (44.0%)
• New Mystery: 31.5/77 (40.9%)
• FE6: 22/54 (40.7%)
• FE10: 26/73 (35.6%)
• Three Houses: 12.5/39 (32.1%)
• FE5: 10/52 (19.2%)

Jesus. Let's just rename the game Fire Emblem Awakening Heroes so we can stop pretending that anyone else matters.

[Othin]

10 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Jesus. Let's just rename the game Fire Emblem Awakening Heroes so we can stop pretending that anyone else matters.

I wouldn't go quite that far. It's in close contention with SOV and Fates, and wasn't even in first place yesterday. Fates also has more total units, they're just a smaller fraction of its roster.

Over time, I expect Three Houses to catch up to the other recent games, at least in terms of fraction of playable units.