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Jealousy Chart for 2nd Gen (and other findings)!

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At long last, I have discovered the secret Jealousy charts that have been missing from this site for so long!  I have manually tested this out for each and every child character, as well as Celice, Leaf, Oifaye, and Shanan!  Sadly, I did not get this for the substitute characters as well, nor did I get it for Johan.  I also cannot assume that these Jealousy charts are the same for the sub versions as they are for the child versions, because the ROM Addresses used to store the love growth for each couple are NOT the same between the children and subs.  I COULD test out the love growth for all the subs as well but...that sounds too time consuming to me.

 

So here they are, with some notes to accompany them!  

 

NOTE #1: Julia is usually on the bottom of every Jealousy chart; however, she is at the TOP of Aless and Shanan's charts!  I...have no idea why this is, but she does.

 

NOTE #2: The Subs and Children do NOT share the same ROM Addresses.  Where address 7E3CE5 will be dedicated to Celice and Patty in a Children, that SAME address will be dedicated to Skasaha & Daisy in a Subs run.

 

NOTE #3: These charts assume that you Reset the game at least once upon entering Gen 2.  I...did not feel like going through every possible combination for a No-Reset run.

 

NOTE #4: The game never allows you to marry direct siblings to each other, so it puts a permanent -1 inside every Address that contains a brother's affection for her sister.  So for example, Lakche and Skasaha have an Address that stores the amount of Love Points they've built up with each other; however, said number will always be negative -1.

 

NOTE #5: THAT SAID, other women will still get jealous when they see a man with his sister.  Said sister is already placed at the very bottom of that man's Jealousy chart; so you can ALWAYS use them as a Jealousy bot!  So if you're trying to pair Fee with Arthur, you can put Patty and Tinny next to Arthur before putting Fee next to Patty and Tinny.  Do that, and Fee will get an addition +10 Love Points per turn!

 

NOTE #6: The game puts Altenna on a higher place on some men's lists than "Other Girls"...even though Altenna's love values also seem to be set at a permanent -1 for all possible suitors. 

 

NOTE #7: The game normally uses address 7E3C75 to track Celice and Tinny's love growth if you've reset the game once since starting Gen 2.  HOWEVER, if you HAVEN'T reset it, it will actually use that address for Celice and Julia instead!  That's right!  The game literally REPURPOSES the address used for Celice and Julia into something else upon reset!  However, Julia still generates bonus love points for other women to steal.

Aless: Julia > Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna
Arthur: Leen > Lana > Fee > Patty > Other Girls
Celice: N/A
Corple: Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls
Delmud: Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls
Faval: Altenna > Other Girls
Johalva: Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Julia
Leaf: N/A
Lester: Patty > Altenna > Other Girls
Oifaye: Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna
Sety: Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Other Girls
Shanan: Julia > Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna
Skasaha: Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls

 

EDIT: Oh yes, and just in case there ARE any errors, or want to manipulate the amount of Love Points characters have, or want to figure out what Jealousy charts the SUB characters have...here you go:

 

LOVE GROWTH ADDRESSES:

Aless and Fee - 7E3C69
Aless and Julia - 7E3BFD
Aless and Lakche - 7E3C45
Aless and Lana - 7E3CD5
Aless and Leen - 7E3CB1
Aless and Nanna - 7E3C21
Aless and Patty - 7E3CF9
Aless and Tinny - 7E3C8D

Arthur and Fee - 7E3C6B
Arthur and Julia - 7E3BFF
Arthur and Lakche - 7E3C47
Arthur and Lana - 7E3CD7
Arthur and Leen - 7E3CB3
Arthur and Nanna - 7E3C23
Arthur and Patty - 7E3CFB
Arthur and Tinny - 7E3C8F

Celice and Fee - 7E3C51
Celice and Julia - 7E3BE5
Celice and Lakche - 7E3C2D
Celice and Lana - 7E3CBD
Celice and Leen - 7E3C99
Celice and Nanna - 7E3C09
Celice and Patty - 7E3CE1
Celice and Tinny - 7E3C75

Corple and Fee - 7E3C5D
Corple and Julia - 7E3BF1
Corple and Lakche - 7E3C39
Corple and Lana - 7E3CC9
Corple and Leen - 7E3CA5
Corple and Nanna - 7E3C15
Corple and Patty - 7E3CED
Corple and Tinny - 7E3C81

Delmud and Fee - 7E3C61
Delmud and Julia - 7E3BF5
Delmud and Lakche - 7E3C3D
Delmud and Lana - 7E3CCD
Delmud and Leen - 7E3CA9
Delmud and Nanna - 7E3C19
Delmud and Patty - 7E3CF1
Delmud and Tinny - 7E3C85

Faval and Fee - 7E3C57
Faval and Julia - 7E3BEB
Faval and Lakche - 7E3C33
Faval and Lana - 7E3CC3
Faval and Leen - 7E3C9F
Faval and Nanna - 7E3C0F
Faval and Patty - 7E3CE7
Faval and Tinny - 7E3C7B

Johalva and Fee - 7E3C5B
Johalva and Julia - 7E3BEF
Johalva and Lakche - 7E3C37
Johalva and Lana - 7E3CC7
Johalva and Leen - 7E3CA3
Johalva and Nanna - 7E3C13
Johalva and Patty - 7E3CEB
Johalva and Tinny - 7E3C7F

Leaf and Fee - 7E3C59
Leaf and Julia - 7E3BED
Leaf and Lakche - 7E3C35
Leaf and Lana - 7E3CC5
Leaf and Leen - 7E3CA1
Leaf and Nanna - 7E3C11
Leaf and Patty - 7E3CE9
Leaf and Tinny - 7E3C7D

Lester and Fee - 7E3C65
Lester and Julia - 7E3BF9
Lester and Lakche - 7E3C41
Lester and Lana - 7E3CD1
Lester and Leen - 7E3CAD
Lester and Nanna - 7E3C1D
Lester and Patty - 7E3CF5
Lester and Tinny - 7E3C89

Oifaye and Fee - 7E3C6D
Oifaye and Julia - 7E3C01
Oifaye and Lakche - 7E3C49
Oifaye and Lana - 7E3CD9
Oifaye and Leen - 7E3CB5
Oifaye and Nanna - 7E3C25
Oifaye and Patty - 7E3CFD
Oifaye and Tinny - 7E3C91

Sety and Fee - 7E3C5F
Sety and Julia - 7E3BF3
Sety and Lakche - 7E3C3B
Sety and Lana - 7E3CCB
Sety and Leen - 7E3CA7
Sety and Nanna - 7E3C17
Sety and Patty - 7E3CEF
Sety and Tinny - 7E3C83

Shanan and Fee - 7E3C53
Shanan and Julia - 7E3BE7
Shanan and Lakche - 7E3C2F
Shanan and Lana - 7E3CBF
Shanan and Leen - 7E3C9B
Shanan and Nanna - 7E3C0B
Shanan and Patty - 7E3CE3
Shanan and Tinny - 7E3C77

Skasaha and Fee - 7E3C55
Skasaha and Julia - 7E3BE9
Skasaha and Lakche - 7E3C31
Skasaha and Lana - 7E3CC1
Skasaha and Leen - 7E3C9D
Skasaha and Nanna - 7E3C0D
Skasaha and Patty - 7E3CE5
Skasaha and Tinny - 7E3C79
Edited by FionordeQuester

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On 1/22/2017 at 1:38 AM, FionordeQuester said:

NOTE #1: Julia is usually on the bottom of every Jealousy chart; however, she is at the TOP of Aless and Shanan's charts!  I...have no idea why this is, but she does.

Whatever the reason, it makes me happy. Now I really have no excuse to dawdle in 2nd gen.

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Indeed!  And I just added in Julia's Love Addresses too!  Now you can even use cheat codes to get what you want!

 

NOTE: But if you do that, just remember; each of the addresses I listed have a second address; one where the ones digit is one digit higher.  You'll want to add a "2" to THAT address instead of the ones I have listed here.  There's...a whole lot of technical mumbo jumbo as to why that is, but, you're probably not going to get it unless you have some basic knowledge in Hex. 

 

So for example, Celice X Lana.  The ROM Address I have listed in this thread is 7E3CBD; so instead of editing that, you'll want to add a "2" to the ROM Address "7E3CBE" in order to instantly marry them.  Like I said, the reason for this involves a lot of technical jargon, but...I'll include it if you really want to know.  You ready?  You SURE you want to try and wrap your head around it?

 

...

 

Okay, so, each ROM Address can only store a value as high as 255; well below the 500 threshold that the game requires for marriage.  So to get around this, programmers will instead dedicate another ROM Address to tracking that second integer.  So for example, 7E3CBD can only hold a value of 255, so the programmers will use 7E3CBE as a 2nd Address and tie it to the 1st Address.  

 

Why's that important?  Well, you know how mathematics has a "one's place" in all of our numbers?  And you know how that "one's place" will "store" every digit from 0-9?  And then wrap around back to 0 when you want to write out "10"?  And then that second digit will then act as a "ten's place"?  

 

Well, what's going on here is kind of like that; except instead of there only being 0-9 like in regular numbers, we have 0-255 in Hex numbers instead.  The 2nd Address then acts as the "ten's digit" for when the 1st Address wraps around back to 0.  So if the addresses are laid out as so...

 

7E3CBD - 0

7E3CBE - 1

 

That means that Celice has built up exactly 256 Love Points with Lana.  And if they're laid out like THIS...

 

7E3CBD - 0

7E3CBE - 2

 

That means that Celice has built up 512 Love Points with her.  However, if one lays out the numbers like THIS...

 

7E3CBD - 120

7E3CBE - 0

 

Then Celice will only have 120 Love Points built up with Lana.  Does this make sense at all?

Edited by FionordeQuester

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On 1/22/2017 at 1:38 AM, FionordeQuester said:

Skasaha and Julia - 7E3BE9

So the exact value for instant lovers would be

7E3BE9 254

7E3BEA 1

?

I might be interested in the substitute values too, specifically Hawk's addresses. How would I go about finding it out on my own, if it's not too much a demanding task?

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1 hour ago, Chalis said:

So the exact value for instant lovers would be

7E3BE9 254

7E3BEA 1

?

I might be interested in the substitute values too, specifically Hawk's addresses. How would I go about finding it out on my own, if it's not too much a demanding task?

You were close!  But the values would be...

 

7E3BE9 244

7E3BEA 1

 

So yeah!  I'd say you got all the concepts down!  As for how to find the Addresses...well, it's a bit tedious.  Keep in mind that the list I already have above assumes that all the Gen 1 women got married; things start getting shuffled around a bit once Gen 1 women start dying off/not bearing children.  For example, Celice X Julia will normally use 7E3BE5 once you reset the game.  HOWEVER, if Tiltyu doesn't bear children (and instead, you get Amid and Linda), the game will instead use 7E3C75 as their love address.  This, coincidentally, is part of what explains why Celice X Julia will sometimes start at 490 Love Points instead of 0, but, that's not relevant to your question.

 

As for how to find the Sub Addresses, you'll basically just want to start punching in the RAM Addresses I listed above and start mucking with them.  It's a tedious job, but you'll eventually find which Addresses govern Hawk's Love Points.  Sorry I couldn't give you a more straightforward answer...FE4's coding seems to be something of a mess :(:  ...

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Actually, there is one another thing that'll help.  Julia starts with 0 Love Points for everyone (except Celice, if Tiltyu didn't have kids), so you could probably use that to cut out some of the trial and error.

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