FionordeQuester Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) At long last, I have discovered the secret Jealousy charts that have been missing from this site for so long! I have manually tested this out for each and every child character, as well as Celice, Leaf, Oifaye, and Shanan! Sadly, I did not get this for the substitute characters as well, nor did I get it for Johan. I also cannot assume that these Jealousy charts are the same for the sub versions as they are for the child versions, because the ROM Addresses used to store the love growth for each couple are NOT the same between the children and subs. I COULD test out the love growth for all the subs as well but...that sounds too time consuming to me. So here they are, with some notes to accompany them! NOTE #1: Julia is usually on the bottom of every Jealousy chart; however, she is at the TOP of Aless and Shanan's charts! I...have no idea why this is, but she does. NOTE #2: The Subs and Children do NOT share the same ROM Addresses. Where address 7E3CE5 will be dedicated to Celice and Patty in a Children, that SAME address will be dedicated to Skasaha & Daisy in a Subs run. NOTE #3: These charts assume that you Reset the game at least once upon entering Gen 2. I...did not feel like going through every possible combination for a No-Reset run. NOTE #4: The game never allows you to marry direct siblings to each other, so it puts a permanent -1 inside every Address that contains a brother's affection for her sister. So for example, Lakche and Skasaha have an Address that stores the amount of Love Points they've built up with each other; however, said number will always be negative -1. NOTE #5: THAT SAID, other women will still get jealous when they see a man with his sister. Said sister is already placed at the very bottom of that man's Jealousy chart; so you can ALWAYS use them as a Jealousy bot! So if you're trying to pair Fee with Arthur, you can put Patty and Tinny next to Arthur before putting Fee next to Patty and Tinny. Do that, and Fee will get an addition +10 Love Points per turn! NOTE #6: The game puts Altenna on a higher place on some men's lists than "Other Girls"...even though Altenna's love values also seem to be set at a permanent -1 for all possible suitors. NOTE #7: The game normally uses address 7E3C75 to track Celice and Tinny's love growth if you've reset the game once since starting Gen 2. HOWEVER, if you HAVEN'T reset it, it will actually use that address for Celice and Julia instead! That's right! The game literally REPURPOSES the address used for Celice and Julia into something else upon reset! However, Julia still generates bonus love points for other women to steal. Aless: Julia > Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna Arthur: Leen > Lana > Fee > Patty > Other Girls Celice: N/A Corple: Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls Delmud: Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls Faval: Altenna > Other Girls Johalva: Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Julia Leaf: N/A Lester: Patty > Altenna > Other Girls Oifaye: Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna Sety: Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Other Girls Shanan: Julia > Nanna > Lakche > Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna Skasaha: Fee > Tinny > Leen > Lana > Patty > Altenna > Other Girls EDIT: Oh yes, and just in case there ARE any errors, or want to manipulate the amount of Love Points characters have, or want to figure out what Jealousy charts the SUB characters have...here you go: LOVE GROWTH ADDRESSES: Aless and Fee - 7E3C69 Aless and Julia - 7E3BFD Aless and Lakche - 7E3C45 Aless and Lana - 7E3CD5 Aless and Leen - 7E3CB1 Aless and Nanna - 7E3C21 Aless and Patty - 7E3CF9 Aless and Tinny - 7E3C8D Arthur and Fee - 7E3C6B Arthur and Julia - 7E3BFF Arthur and Lakche - 7E3C47 Arthur and Lana - 7E3CD7 Arthur and Leen - 7E3CB3 Arthur and Nanna - 7E3C23 Arthur and Patty - 7E3CFB Arthur and Tinny - 7E3C8F Celice and Fee - 7E3C51 Celice and Julia - 7E3BE5 Celice and Lakche - 7E3C2D Celice and Lana - 7E3CBD Celice and Leen - 7E3C99 Celice and Nanna - 7E3C09 Celice and Patty - 7E3CE1 Celice and Tinny - 7E3C75 Corple and Fee - 7E3C5D Corple and Julia - 7E3BF1 Corple and Lakche - 7E3C39 Corple and Lana - 7E3CC9 Corple and Leen - 7E3CA5 Corple and Nanna - 7E3C15 Corple and Patty - 7E3CED Corple and Tinny - 7E3C81 Delmud and Fee - 7E3C61 Delmud and Julia - 7E3BF5 Delmud and Lakche - 7E3C3D Delmud and Lana - 7E3CCD Delmud and Leen - 7E3CA9 Delmud and Nanna - 7E3C19 Delmud and Patty - 7E3CF1 Delmud and Tinny - 7E3C85 Faval and Fee - 7E3C57 Faval and Julia - 7E3BEB Faval and Lakche - 7E3C33 Faval and Lana - 7E3CC3 Faval and Leen - 7E3C9F Faval and Nanna - 7E3C0F Faval and Patty - 7E3CE7 Faval and Tinny - 7E3C7B Johalva and Fee - 7E3C5B Johalva and Julia - 7E3BEF Johalva and Lakche - 7E3C37 Johalva and Lana - 7E3CC7 Johalva and Leen - 7E3CA3 Johalva and Nanna - 7E3C13 Johalva and Patty - 7E3CEB Johalva and Tinny - 7E3C7F Leaf and Fee - 7E3C59 Leaf and Julia - 7E3BED Leaf and Lakche - 7E3C35 Leaf and Lana - 7E3CC5 Leaf and Leen - 7E3CA1 Leaf and Nanna - 7E3C11 Leaf and Patty - 7E3CE9 Leaf and Tinny - 7E3C7D Lester and Fee - 7E3C65 Lester and Julia - 7E3BF9 Lester and Lakche - 7E3C41 Lester and Lana - 7E3CD1 Lester and Leen - 7E3CAD Lester and Nanna - 7E3C1D Lester and Patty - 7E3CF5 Lester and Tinny - 7E3C89 Oifaye and Fee - 7E3C6D Oifaye and Julia - 7E3C01 Oifaye and Lakche - 7E3C49 Oifaye and Lana - 7E3CD9 Oifaye and Leen - 7E3CB5 Oifaye and Nanna - 7E3C25 Oifaye and Patty - 7E3CFD Oifaye and Tinny - 7E3C91 Sety and Fee - 7E3C5F Sety and Julia - 7E3BF3 Sety and Lakche - 7E3C3B Sety and Lana - 7E3CCB Sety and Leen - 7E3CA7 Sety and Nanna - 7E3C17 Sety and Patty - 7E3CEF Sety and Tinny - 7E3C83 Shanan and Fee - 7E3C53 Shanan and Julia - 7E3BE7 Shanan and Lakche - 7E3C2F Shanan and Lana - 7E3CBF Shanan and Leen - 7E3C9B Shanan and Nanna - 7E3C0B Shanan and Patty - 7E3CE3 Shanan and Tinny - 7E3C77 Skasaha and Fee - 7E3C55 Skasaha and Julia - 7E3BE9 Skasaha and Lakche - 7E3C31 Skasaha and Lana - 7E3CC1 Skasaha and Leen - 7E3C9D Skasaha and Nanna - 7E3C0D Skasaha and Patty - 7E3CE5 Skasaha and Tinny - 7E3C79 Edited January 25, 2017 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalis Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 On 1/22/2017 at 1:38 AM, FionordeQuester said: NOTE #1: Julia is usually on the bottom of every Jealousy chart; however, she is at the TOP of Aless and Shanan's charts! I...have no idea why this is, but she does. Whatever the reason, it makes me happy. Now I really have no excuse to dawdle in 2nd gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Indeed! And I just added in Julia's Love Addresses too! Now you can even use cheat codes to get what you want! NOTE: But if you do that, just remember; each of the addresses I listed have a second address; one where the ones digit is one digit higher. You'll want to add a "2" to THAT address instead of the ones I have listed here. There's...a whole lot of technical mumbo jumbo as to why that is, but, you're probably not going to get it unless you have some basic knowledge in Hex. So for example, Celice X Lana. The ROM Address I have listed in this thread is 7E3CBD; so instead of editing that, you'll want to add a "2" to the ROM Address "7E3CBE" in order to instantly marry them. Like I said, the reason for this involves a lot of technical jargon, but...I'll include it if you really want to know. You ready? You SURE you want to try and wrap your head around it? ... Okay, so, each ROM Address can only store a value as high as 255; well below the 500 threshold that the game requires for marriage. So to get around this, programmers will instead dedicate another ROM Address to tracking that second integer. So for example, 7E3CBD can only hold a value of 255, so the programmers will use 7E3CBE as a 2nd Address and tie it to the 1st Address. Why's that important? Well, you know how mathematics has a "one's place" in all of our numbers? And you know how that "one's place" will "store" every digit from 0-9? And then wrap around back to 0 when you want to write out "10"? And then that second digit will then act as a "ten's place"? Well, what's going on here is kind of like that; except instead of there only being 0-9 like in regular numbers, we have 0-255 in Hex numbers instead. The 2nd Address then acts as the "ten's digit" for when the 1st Address wraps around back to 0. So if the addresses are laid out as so... 7E3CBD - 0 7E3CBE - 1 That means that Celice has built up exactly 256 Love Points with Lana. And if they're laid out like THIS... 7E3CBD - 0 7E3CBE - 2 That means that Celice has built up 512 Love Points with her. However, if one lays out the numbers like THIS... 7E3CBD - 120 7E3CBE - 0 Then Celice will only have 120 Love Points built up with Lana. Does this make sense at all? Edited January 24, 2017 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalis Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/22/2017 at 1:38 AM, FionordeQuester said: Skasaha and Julia - 7E3BE9 So the exact value for instant lovers would be 7E3BE9 254 7E3BEA 1 ? I might be interested in the substitute values too, specifically Hawk's addresses. How would I go about finding it out on my own, if it's not too much a demanding task? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Thanks a bunch! I've added the info to the main site now ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Chalis said: So the exact value for instant lovers would be 7E3BE9 254 7E3BEA 1 ? I might be interested in the substitute values too, specifically Hawk's addresses. How would I go about finding it out on my own, if it's not too much a demanding task? You were close! But the values would be... 7E3BE9 244 7E3BEA 1 So yeah! I'd say you got all the concepts down! As for how to find the Addresses...well, it's a bit tedious. Keep in mind that the list I already have above assumes that all the Gen 1 women got married; things start getting shuffled around a bit once Gen 1 women start dying off/not bearing children. For example, Celice X Julia will normally use 7E3BE5 once you reset the game. HOWEVER, if Tiltyu doesn't bear children (and instead, you get Amid and Linda), the game will instead use 7E3C75 as their love address. This, coincidentally, is part of what explains why Celice X Julia will sometimes start at 490 Love Points instead of 0, but, that's not relevant to your question. As for how to find the Sub Addresses, you'll basically just want to start punching in the RAM Addresses I listed above and start mucking with them. It's a tedious job, but you'll eventually find which Addresses govern Hawk's Love Points. Sorry I couldn't give you a more straightforward answer...FE4's coding seems to be something of a mess ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Actually, there is one another thing that'll help. Julia starts with 0 Love Points for everyone (except Celice, if Tiltyu didn't have kids), so you could probably use that to cut out some of the trial and error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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