Javi Blizz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Thanks @Xenomata! I have a few units that I'd like to promote to 5*, so I don't see myself using 20k feathers just for SI, at least for a while. This units are: Effie, Valter, Catria and Zephiel. So, I think I agree, Valter is the next one. Thanks @Ice Dragon! It really sounds a funny set, maybe I'll try to make it the next time that Narcian is available (I still could get the one from Infernal map) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Javi Blizz said: It really sounds a funny set, maybe I'll try to make it the next time that Narcian is available (I still could get the one from Infernal map) You can probably get away with Lancebreaker 2, via Arthur. I tend to keep my -breakers at 2, if they're otherwise a pain to get at 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakuto Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Hey you guys so I was wondering which team I should use to try to break into tier 20. I've always been bouncing between tier 18 and 19 so far, and was wondering which units should I try to use to max my points. I was currently thinking of using Ninian, Nino, and Masked Marth (when I merge eventually >.<). https://imgur.com/a/4mIYe EDIT: Sorry, apparently you need to paste it into your browser >.< Edited September 27, 2017 by Sakuto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sakuto said: Hey you guys so I was wondering which team I should use to try to break into tier 20. I've always been bouncing between tier 18 and 19 so far, and was wondering which units should I try to use to max my points. I was currently thinking of using Ninian, Nino, and Masked Marth (when I merge eventually >.<). http://imgur.com/a/4mIYe Your link returns an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakuto Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, eclipse said: Your link returns an error. Sorry apparently it only works if you paste it >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sakuto said: Sorry apparently it only works if you paste it >.< Yep, that did it. For bonus units, there's two options: 1. Use Kagero, since she'll be able to snipe infantry units. However, Horse Emblem's gonna suck. 2. Use Elincia, even though she'll be on a mostly non-flying team. If you go with Kagero, I'd use Ike, Nino/Julia (whichever one has the higher merge level), and Ninian. That should give you a good mix of damage types. For Elincia, I'd go with Hector, Ninian, and someone ranged (you have a lot of options)/Ike (because he sort-of counts). If you use Ike, equip Aether. I have no idea where the cutoff for tier 20 is, so I don't know if this will help. If you're way far away from tier 20, you may have to wait until next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus13302 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 heya soo... i kinda need help building an effective long term team for my account. i was wondering if you guys could help. here is a list of all of my notable units... (dont worry about ivs unless they would be extremely important to a hero's performance. also if you could provide some skills for each hero that would be appreciated ) 5*: Ike, Katarina, Azura, Hinoka, Julia +5, Lyn (BH) 4*: Eirika, Black Knight, Robin +2, Reinhardt (2 not fused), Athena, Fir, Olivia, Corrin (M), Selena, Draug, Eliwood, Seth, Caeda, Sophia, Gwendolyn, Peri, Nowi, Corrin (F), Odin, Barst, Sheena, Cherche, Camilla, Fae, Cecilia, Niles Notable 3*: Tiki (old), Nino Thanks for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Sakuto said: Hey you guys so I was wondering which team I should use to try to break into tier 20. I've always been bouncing between tier 18 and 19 so far, and was wondering which units should I try to use to max my points. I was currently thinking of using Ninian, Nino, and Masked Marth (when I merge eventually >.<). https://imgur.com/a/4mIYe EDIT: Sorry, apparently you need to paste it into your browser >.< Using merged units helps a lot, so if your Linde have a higher merge number than Reinhardt, you can try using her. You can also try using armor units since you have Amelia, and her partner can be the Black Knight. However, I am not sure if your armor units will give you enough points since they are not merged. BH!Lyn also gives a lot of points compared with Reinhardt assuming they have the similar merge levels. 31 minutes ago, Icarus13302 said: heya soo... i kinda need help building an effective long term team for my account. i was wondering if you guys could help. here is a list of all of my notable units... (dont worry about ivs unless they would be extremely important to a hero's performance. also if you could provide some skills for each hero that would be appreciated ) 5*: Ike, Katarina, Azura, Hinoka, Julia +5, Lyn (BH) 4*: Eirika, Black Knight, Robin +2, Reinhardt (2 not fused), Athena, Fir, Olivia, Corrin (M), Selena, Draug, Eliwood, Seth, Caeda, Sophia, Gwendolyn, Peri, Nowi, Corrin (F), Odin, Barst, Sheena, Cherche, Camilla, Fae, Cecilia, Niles Notable 3*: Tiki (old), Nino Thanks for the help Natures matter if you want to stay in Tier 20. If you are fine with settling for bouncing between Tier 18 and Tier 19, natures do not matter too much at that level. My core Arena team consists of BH!Lyn, Reinhardt, and Olivia. Together, they can handle pretty much any unit. However, you would still want to stay away from pony teams since they are still a pain in the ass to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Icarus13302 said: heya soo... i kinda need help building an effective long term team for my account. i was wondering if you guys could help. here is a list of all of my notable units... (dont worry about ivs unless they would be extremely important to a hero's performance. also if you could provide some skills for each hero that would be appreciated ) 5*: Ike, Katarina, Azura, Hinoka, Julia +5, Lyn (BH) 4*: Eirika, Black Knight, Robin +2, Reinhardt (2 not fused), Athena, Fir, Olivia, Corrin (M), Selena, Draug, Eliwood, Seth, Caeda, Sophia, Gwendolyn, Peri, Nowi, Corrin (F), Odin, Barst, Sheena, Cherche, Camilla, Fae, Cecilia, Niles Notable 3*: Tiki (old), Nino Thanks for the help As long as you're looking at non -Atk/-Spd units. . . Ike, Azura, Julia, (bonus character) . . .and in other news, YOU'RE the one that's been stealing all the Julias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thienphu Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) Hi, i want to build a setsuna with a firesweep bow and life and death. I have a +atk/-hp setsuna now but is it worth to build her or should i wait for a +spd and what B, C and special skill should i give her? Edited September 27, 2017 by Thienphu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Thienphu said: Hi, i want to build a setsuna with a firesweep bow and life and death. I have a +atk/-hp setsuna now but is it worth to build her or should i wait for a +spd and what B, C and special skill should i give her? If you want Setsuna to kill things, she will need a Brave Bow build, but other archers can use that set much better. Setsuna is not going to be killing much with her low Attack and Firesweep Bow; I would not waste a valuable skill on her and I will just use her as a debuff unit, so Fury is more than enough. She can run Poison Strike and Seals on her B slot. She can run Threatens or buffs on her C slot; I do not think she has the stats to run Ploys effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi Blizz Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Does the effects of Poison Strike and Savage Blow activate "at the same time"? I mean, if a unit has both skills, does both of them have effect, or just only one of them? Since one is slot B and the other slot C I think there shouldn't be any problem, but I don't want to waste both units and SP It's for an idea that I've been thinking about for GHB and BHB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Javi Blizz said: Does the effects of Poison Strike and Savage Blow activate "at the same time"? I mean, if a unit has both skills, does both of them have effect, or just only one of them? Since one is slot B and the other slot C I think there shouldn't be any problem, but I don't want to waste both units and SP It's for an idea that I've been thinking about for GHB and BHB Yes, they activate at the same time. It is a good way to deal chip damage, but beware of enemies who have Vantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thienphu Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 36 minutes ago, XRay said: If you want Setsuna to kill things, she will need a Brave Bow build, but other archers can use that set much better. Setsuna is not going to be killing much with her low Attack and Firesweep Bow; I would not waste a valuable skill on her and I will just use her as a debuff unit, so Fury is more than enough. She can run Poison Strike and Seals on her B slot. She can run Threatens or buffs on her C slot; I do not think she has the stats to run Ploys effectively. So will it be worth to give my setsuna (+atk/-hp) a brave bow+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Is it a bad idea to promote Alfonse? With few exceptions I get around in arena without the starter trio, but Anna being a bonus unit on Tempest Trials Mini gave me this idea. It was fun to play Anna with boosted stats and I would give Alfonse Escape route to have a similar experience in a possible Mini-TT 2/3. If I'd keep him below 50% HP he would be able to have unbuffed 66 ATK on offense (35 base ATK, 16 MT Fólkvangr, +5 Fólkvangr effect, +6 Death Blow 3, +4 TT bonus) and he could ER-beam, but even with boosted stats he wouldn't double anyone (25+4 SPD). In the long term I won't use him much, just like Anna (Fury) and Sharena (Swordbreaker) who I use from time to time in Arena Assault. Other candidates: Spoiler Klein (+ATK) Since Brave Jeorge maxed HM I could use him in TT Low need (+ATK Brave+ DB3 Jeorge is fine) Cordelia Just to give her the +ATK nature and a +1 merge Low need (She is already good and I have other great lances) Cecilia Only green tome on a horse, already got Blade+, could switch to Raven+ occasionally. Low need (she already works well and would be a possible 4*+10 candidate) Cherche (+ATK 4*+7) Promotion of a Raven to give her Brave+ finally Low need (she already kills everything not red) Valter Just for fun No need at all M!Robin Roderick Lukas Fae F!Robin Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi Blizz Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, XRay said: Yes, they activate at the same time. It is a good way to deal chip damage, but beware of enemies who have Vantage. I was considering to use Clarisse, as her bow could be useful to debuff enemies too, although she is quite frail I think. Maybe one of her teammates should have Reposition. The only teammate I'm sure about would be Hector/BK depending on the map, so they can take advantage of the chip damage and OHKO things in Infernal in both PP or EP. What do you think? Is it too crazy to work? xd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingle Jangle Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 What is the minimum number for defense/ resistance/ attack to use bonfire/iceberg/ dragonic aura as a special? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said: What is the minimum number for defense/ resistance/ attack to use bonfire/iceberg/ dragonic aura as a special? There really is no minimum number as much as "Look at your highest stat" Like for Xander with Fury, he has a 20 damage bonfire, but a 15 damage Draconic Aura Or a +Atk Life and Death Celica who has 17/17 def/res, but her Attack stat gives her a 16 damage Draconic Aura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punished Dayni Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mampfoid said: Is it a bad idea to promote Alfonse? With few exceptions I get around in arena without the starter trio, but Anna being a bonus unit on Tempest Trials Mini gave me this idea. It was fun to play Anna with boosted stats and I would give Alfonse Escape route to have a similar experience in a possible Mini-TT 2/3. If I'd keep him below 50% HP he would be able to have unbuffed 66 ATK on offense (35 base ATK, 16 MT Fólkvangr, +5 Fólkvangr effect, +6 Death Blow 3, +4 TT bonus) and he could ER-beam, but even with boosted stats he wouldn't double anyone (25+4 SPD). In the long term I won't use him much, just like Anna (Fury) and Sharena (Swordbreaker) who I use from time to time in Arena Assault. Other candidates: Reveal hidden contents Klein (+ATK) Since Brave Jeorge maxed HM I could use him in TT Low need (+ATK Brave+ DB3 Jeorge is fine) Cordelia Just to give her the +ATK nature and a +1 merge Low need (She is already good and I have other great lances) Cecilia Only green tome on a horse, already got Blade+, could switch to Raven+ occasionally. Low need (she already works well and would be a possible 4*+10 candidate) Cherche (+ATK 4*+7) Promotion of a Raven to give her Brave+ finally Low need (she already kills everything not red) Valter Just for fun No need at all M!Robin Roderick Lukas Fae F!Robin Henry I've certainly seen Alfonse in a new light since I promoted him back in June. While the Askran trio have pretty much gone to the bench (not out for the count, just try to use others more), I used the trio for the second TT and they were well able to get to the final map on their own. Alfonse himself needs some odd twerks to work well though. He'll definitely want a B skill that suits him: While I use Swordbreaker, he can use Brash Assault to take advantage of Folkvanger (or Brave Sword) and do some serious damage. He might also want to use a skill like Bonfire or Draconic Aura instead of Sol, especially if you aim to take advantage of a low HP strat. He's still a great green counter and his 32 defence helps for countering Hector. If you're low on good red swords/not needing a promotion for a different weapon type, Alfonse is a unit who benefits from promotion to 5* greatly. Of the units you have listed, I'd say either Cherche or Cecilia if you need a green more or Valter out of your blue units. Edited September 27, 2017 by Dayni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said: What is the minimum number for defense/ resistance/ attack to use bonfire/iceberg/ dragonic aura as a special? 30+ Def/Res is usually a good benchmark for Def/Res-based specials, 50+ Atk for Draconic Aura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 34 minutes ago, Dayni said: I've certainly seen Alfonse in a new light since I promoted him back in June. While the Askran trio have pretty much gone to the bench (not out for the count, just try to use others more), I used the trio for the second TT and they were well able to get to the final map on their own. Alfonse himself needs some odd twerks to work well though. He'll definitely want a B skill that suits him: While I use Swordbreaker, he can use Brash Assault to take advantage of Folkvanger (or Brave Sword) and do some serious damage. He might also want to use a skill like Bonfire or Draconic Aura instead of Sol, especially if you aim to take advantage of a low HP strat. He's still a great green counter and his 32 defence helps for countering Hector. If you're low on good red swords/not needing a promotion for a different weapon type, Alfonse is a unit who benefits from promotion to 5* greatly. Of the units you have listed, I'd say either Cherche or Cecilia if you need a green more or Valter out of your blue units. Thanks for your input, very appreciated! Yeah, he would profit more from breakers in direct matchups, ER was more to have some synergy with his built-in brash assault in TT. Damage special and movement assist would be the first things to add. As you could see from my promotion queue, there is no real need for a certain unit type. I choose promotions for units I would use at least for a certain period, last promotion was Titania for the ongoing TT. Alfonses promotion would very much depend on him being a TT bonus unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, mampfoid said: Is it a bad idea to promote Alfonse? With few exceptions I get around in arena without the starter trio, but Anna being a bonus unit on Tempest Trials Mini gave me this idea. It was fun to play Anna with boosted stats and I would give Alfonse Escape route to have a similar experience in a possible Mini-TT 2/3. If I'd keep him below 50% HP he would be able to have unbuffed 66 ATK on offense (35 base ATK, 16 MT Fólkvangr, +5 Fólkvangr effect, +6 Death Blow 3, +4 TT bonus) and he could ER-beam, but even with boosted stats he wouldn't double anyone (25+4 SPD). In the long term I won't use him much, just like Anna (Fury) and Sharena (Swordbreaker) who I use from time to time in Arena Assault. Other candidates: Reveal hidden contents Klein (+ATK) Since Brave Jeorge maxed HM I could use him in TT Low need (+ATK Brave+ DB3 Jeorge is fine) Cordelia Just to give her the +ATK nature and a +1 merge Low need (She is already good and I have other great lances) Cecilia Only green tome on a horse, already got Blade+, could switch to Raven+ occasionally. Low need (she already works well and would be a possible 4*+10 candidate) Cherche (+ATK 4*+7) Promotion of a Raven to give her Brave+ finally Low need (she already kills everything not red) Valter Just for fun No need at all M!Robin Roderick Lukas Fae F!Robin Henry Which of the starters are best to promote depends on your box more than the unit itself. Alfonse happens to be a very good playmaker on my teams when he's a bonus because my box is so blue heavy, meaning green axes are literally the only thing his slot fights to begin with (green mages get wrecked by good blues regardless due to low bulk). Gave him axe-breaker and all of his weeks are a breeze because my team ends up more or less identical to the team I'd run if all units were bonus units. (I don't like Sharena much for pretty much the same reason---she would need about 20k feathers more investment than my Cordelia just to end up about a quarter as good, and I never gave her said investment, preferring to just drag her worthless 5* carcass around.) Regardless, though, it's a pretty good idea to promote all Askr to 5* because then you'd at least have a guaranteed bonus unit each season, and reposition by itself tends to be well worth a unit-slot assuming the rest of the team is good. Edited September 27, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 55 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: Which of the starters are best to promote depends on your box more than the unit itself. Alfonse happens to be a very good playmaker on my teams when he's a bonus because my box is so blue heavy, meaning green axes are literally the only thing his slot fights to begin with (green mages get wrecked by good blues regardless due to low bulk). Gave him axe-breaker and all of his weeks are a breeze because my team ends up more or less identical to the team I'd run if all units were bonus units. (I don't like Sharena much for pretty much the same reason---she would need about 20k feathers more investment than my Cordelia just to end up about a quarter as good, and I never gave her said investment, preferring to just drag her worthless 5* carcass around.) Regardless, though, it's a pretty good idea to promote all Askr to 5* because then you'd at least have a guaranteed bonus unit each season, and reposition by itself tends to be well worth a unit-slot assuming the rest of the team is good. Sharena (Arena bonus) and Anna (Mini TT bonus) are already at 5*, but like I wrote before, I use them on few occasions. What investment would Sharena need in your opinion? I guess I'll wait until Friday if the new banner brings some cool units who also want investment. If not and BH!Lyn is nearing full HM, then I'll promote Klein, otherwise Alfonse. Thanks so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, mampfoid said: Sharena (Arena bonus) and Anna (Mini TT bonus) are already at 5*, but like I wrote before, I use them on few occasions. What investment would Sharena need in your opinion? I guess I'll wait until Friday if the new banner brings some cool units who also want investment. If not and BH!Lyn is nearing full HM, then I'll promote Klein, otherwise Alfonse. Thanks so far! The main problem with Sharena is that her stats are too balanced, 32/32 offenses and 43/29 bulk is significantly worse than Camus' 32/33 and 42/31, especially considering Camus has access to horse buffs (and his horse of +1 move, of course). Yeah, Camus has terrible Res at 42/17, but Sharena's 43/22 is still in the 'ORKO'd by Odin' tier of magical bulk. No matter what direction you take her in there'll always be a unit that can do better with less investment---Cordelia without an A-slot would have near identical matchups with Sharena with Brave Lance L&D, because Cordelia can get a +Atk boon for a 6 Atk lead, and Sharena with L&D is 40k feathers more expensive. This is also ignoring that a flier's reposition is better than an infantry's because they can reposition over gaps. Unlike Alfonse, she doesn't use -breakers nearly as well due to a combination of being 3 points lower in Atk & Def as well as the fact that red units are a bunch of jokes on defense. (Partly because of Reinhardt, and partly because Red's strength is in their non-cavalry units, which limits their reach to 4 at best for a mage.) Axes can be real issues thanks to Hector, B!Ike, and Amelia's default sets actually being somewhat threatening, but it takes a really janky team to have 'red-sword' as a unit type that needs counters. If I had to use her it'll probably be L&D Brave-lance to make her a ghetto Cordelia, maybe with Luna to patchup her significantly worse matchups. (Of course, not running Galeforce defeats the point of running a melee units, since you're supposed to be sacrificing mobility for cheaper unit-turns thanks to Galeforce, but at least this way she'll have some use other than reposition-bot.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 36 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: The main problem with Sharena is that her stats are too balanced, 32/32 offenses and 43/29 bulk is significantly worse than Camus' 32/33 and 42/31, especially considering Camus has access to horse buffs (and his horse of +1 move, of course). Yeah, Camus has terrible Res at 42/17, but Sharena's 43/22 is still in the 'ORKO'd by Odin' tier of magical bulk. No matter what direction you take her in there'll always be a unit that can do better with less investment---Cordelia without an A-slot would have near identical matchups with Sharena with Brave Lance L&D, because Cordelia can get a +Atk boon for a 6 Atk lead, and Sharena with L&D is 40k feathers more expensive. This is also ignoring that a flier's reposition is better than an infantry's because they can reposition over gaps. Unlike Alfonse, she doesn't use -breakers nearly as well due to a combination of being 3 points lower in Atk & Def as well as the fact that red units are a bunch of jokes on defense. (Partly because of Reinhardt, and partly because Red's strength is in their non-cavalry units, which limits their reach to 4 at best for a mage.) Axes can be real issues thanks to Hector, B!Ike, and Amelia's default sets actually being somewhat threatening, but it takes a really janky team to have 'red-sword' as a unit type that needs counters. If I had to use her it'll probably be L&D Brave-lance to make her a ghetto Cordelia, maybe with Luna to patchup her significantly worse matchups. (Of course, not running Galeforce defeats the point of running a melee units, since you're supposed to be sacrificing mobility for cheaper unit-turns thanks to Galeforce, but at least this way she'll have some use other than reposition-bot.) Yeah, I wouldn't try to make her a Cordelia. Just gave her swordbreaker which suffices for the few times I use her in Arena. In Arena Assault I actually use Clive (also with swordbreaker) more often than her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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