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6 minutes ago, Rinco said:

I had 4888 and got back to 19.

Probably 49xx

Like I said, way out of my legeau. I look at it this way, should I manage to get there its a sweet reward. When I am there its like vacation because I am not competing.☺

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Well that was fun. Faced a B!Lyn, Rein, B!Roy, and Elincia on the two walls map. Didn't think I'd make it, but I did it deathless. Woot! Erika's Drag back actually helped me for once as it allowed her to move out of Elincia's range. 

Running a no blue team certainly makes some things harder. But I'm not switching in Nowi till I've completed her build. Still need QR3, reposition and hone speed :/

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4 hours ago, Prince Endriu said:

I believe you. Last week was a nightmare for me as well. And thats just tier 18. Think I used up 15 crests during one afternoon. Nothing worked. Called it quits with one win at the end. Gave up thinking I could do it  so many +units suddenly showed up. My ike got killed by a cecilia while he was standing on a defense tile. Didnt see that one coming. That was crazy. Next day I managed 3 deathless with regular dueling swords, so I had 4. Felt motivated and after a crest got my deathless, it was tough. Todays run felt surprisingly easier, maybe because I went in with no expectations. Just wanted to get my 4000points. No really, I am still shocked. Staying in tier 20 wont be possible for me, I wont delude myself. Getting there in 8 (9 seasons ) weeks would be an accomplishment for me though.

 

just btw  how many points were needed for staying?

I had close to 5000 points something like 4980ish or so. I finished this week arena with 4996 which puts me atm at rank 322 (which will for sure go down), i think thats enough to stay again in Tier 20, but i had to use some crest for a deathless run.

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4900 used to be the old surefire score for staying in, but with Brave units inflating things (it may go down a bit as time progresses, but the units are good enough that I think some people will incorporate them into their Arena core), seems like it'll be safer to shoot for 4910+. I don't really have good metrics on the threshold anymore, but for vaguely helpful comparison, my 4966 last week was about halfway between #1 and the rank threshold.

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27 minutes ago, Hilda said:

I had close to 5000 points something like 4980ish or so. I finished this week arena with 4996 which puts me atm at rank 322 (which will for sure go down), i think thats enough to stay again in Tier 20, but i had to use some crest for a deathless run.

How many +units (all pluses combined) did you use for such a result?

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Okay, Arena Assault done! :B):

Arena: 4934 - Currently rank 746 in Tier 20.  Should be enough to stay in 20.

Defense: 590 - 8 wins so far.

Arena Assault: 4862 - Currently rank 1050.  Should be enough to stay in the top 5k.  

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Faced a dragon team with a chunk of merges (+4 total, to be precise). Not sure how it happened, since I dropped Fae for Anna. But that was the battle that made Tana marry me.

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24 minutes ago, Hilda said:

+10 Brave Ike

+6 Sonya

+4 Tana

+2 Ninian

OK, thanks

Had hoped it was a little bit less :).

So if it was a struggle for you to stay in tier 20 then I dont know what it would mean to me :)

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I find myself getting increasingly bored of the arena. Bouncing between tier 18 and 20 without any hope of improving (staying in t20 just requires far more merged units than I will ever have) and only a very small difference in reward is... not very satisfying.
These days I often neglect the arena until the night before where a half-hearted effort is usually enough to advance from 18 to 19 or 19 to 20, and on weeks when I'm in tier 20 I know I'm falling down anyway so I just need to get over 4000 for the score reward...

10 hours ago, Pompero said:

Yup, it looks like you won't stay in T20 unless you have a decent amount above 4900. Something like 4920 should do it.

 

4820 is still my best score from several months ago. Looks like I probably won't ever stay in T20.

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10 hours ago, Prince Endriu said:

OK, thanks

Had hoped it was a little bit less :).

So if it was a struggle for you to stay in tier 20 then I dont know what it would mean to me :)

by hard i mean getting a deathless run, i was ranked like 1500 ish which is way enough to stay in rank 20

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I'm so glad we got loads of crests in the recent past, makes it easy to just not play against many horses, dancers and season baits, they don't even deserve a chance at a defense win from me. That guarantees A) No full scrub Emblem team B) at the very least a maximum of two boring BS units (The unit from the selection and a seasonal unit take up half the team, otherwise the team doesn't get that many points even if it succeeds), and C) my own personal satisfaction. If I can get defense wins reliably without dancer or horsies/fliers, anyone should be able to, but yeah, it's easier the other way round.

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2 hours ago, Vaximillian said:

Speaking of defence wins, I never surrender to dancers, no matter the losses I’ve sustained. It’s a matter of honour.

You may use disgusting horsies as your defense team, but I can respect that stance on dancers. Though, I'm never surrendering to any dancer, horses, fliers and, of course, B!Cordelia.

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1 hour ago, MonkeyCheez3K said:

Though, I'm never surrendering to any dancer, horses, fliers and, of course, B!Cordelia.

So you don’t surrender ever, at all? That’s pretty metal.

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1 minute ago, Vaximillian said:

So you don’t surrender ever, at all? That’s pretty metal.

If you put it that way.... I guess I don't surrender often, I admit (except on easy teams of AA, to give some people easy wins and maybe helping them out)

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Finally got a deathless streak this season, but required about 10+ crests to do it.  Flier emblem went from being an absolute joy to play to being downright miserable since the CYL banner.

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I'm starting to love the Tana+Bike combo quite a lot, they really compliment each other when it comes to taking down Reds/Blues/Lyn. I believe I'm going to support those two. 

This week I didn't went for a deathless streak but this is my chill week going back to tier 19 which I'm fine with. On Arena assault I got a score of 4118 which is quite low, but the Azura/B!Lyn/Reinhardt (I hate Azura more than the other two, if she doesn't die first I'm screwed) combination is too much for my current units to take on more than 3 times.

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I'm playing arena assault for the first time and gosh all teams are full of Rein and BowLyn.

Kinda poor planning, I have just wasted all feathers doing something else, so I don't even have a single raven tome.

So probably just rank at the bottom haha.

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On 8/9/2017 at 3:24 PM, DehNutCase said:

Merges are worth roughly 200 SP worth of skills. (A typical level 3 skill is worth a merge, some are less, like +3 def, some are more, like Distant Counter, Galeforce, Aether, 2 stat 'blow' skills etc.)

Merges increase score by far more than 2 BST---IRRC 10 BST is worth about a merge, in other words, merge score is 'overinflated' by a factor of 5. (You get 1 arena point per merge, which is only 2 BST, but it takes 10 'natural' BST to get 1 arena point.)

A Galeforce is worth a Merge over other maxed out specials---because it's 500 SP rather than 300. Same for Aether. (Mind, Galeforce and Aether also cost a merge worth of feathers considering they're 5* only.)

Edit: Because score is SP cost based, Legendary weapons are worth half a arena score over other choices, because they cost 400 rather than 300 SP.

 

A single merge, incidentally, is worth around 1 arena point. Same for 200 SP (pre-inheritance cost increase) of skills, 10 BST, or 100? (this isn't certain) SP worth of seal skills. (Fort Res seal is 50 SP of skills, so 2 of those would be worth 1 merge. That said, Seals are so minor in terms of SP that it's hard to tell for sure how much they're worth.)

I tried to build a spreadsheet on these assumptions and I used this formula to calculate a kind of rating (not the actual arena score) to compare my units: 

BST + (merge level * 10) + (overall SP learned / 20)

If I build my AA team following this rating, its BH!Lucina+0, BH!Roy+1, BH!Ike+0 & Hector+0 and they get slightly better scores (max 702 708) in arena than my team with the highest merges (Ninian +3, BH!Roy+1, Ephraim+1, MB!Marth+1). It seems I can only compare 5* units, because Cherche 4* +7 would get the highest rating, while she doesn't boost arena score if substituted for Hector. 

Spoiler

 

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Is this method applicable? Do I have to calculate the BST before merges or the BST after merges? 

Edited by mampfoid
new score max

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