Easter event soon?

[Cute Chao]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

We have two Tikis though, so it wouldn't be fair not to have both Ikes too... But yeah, true.

I don't even like there being two Tikis, but there's over a 1000 years or whatever between the two and they appear in very different games.

But that being said, even if they do bring out two game Ikes, plus the CYL, there's no reason not to have more, judging by his popularity. Lucina will likely get her masked version at some point, so there's likely to be at least three versions of her, if not more since she's overwhelmingly popular, too.

[salinea]

1 hour ago, Tolvir said:

Actually yes there is. Male sexualization and female sexualization are different because they appeal to different types of people, and are different in body type. Females when sexualization often have their breasts, butts, and legs focused on for the sexualization. As seen by Lucina and Camilla, who both have tights on and cleavage visible.

That much is true.

1 hour ago, Tolvir said:

on the other hand, males are sexualized through muscles. Have you seen half of the Marvel comics male characters? They all look like Dwayne Johnson on steroids, and often have their arms shown or are wearing an outfit that puts more focus on their muscles (like Captain America's traditional costume). Even characters like Peter Parker, who is supposed to be the average white male in either high school or in a middle class job (depending on what comics) looks like he belongs in the body building hall of fame. 

l'm sorry, you're wrong. That's not male sexualization. At least, that's not male sexualization for a female audience (male sexualization for a male audience sometimes looks like what you're talking about). The kind of overly muscled super buff silhouette you find in most superhero comics, Conan illustration by Franzetta etc. aren't meant to be sexy to women. They're meant to look cool and aspirational for a male audience. I won't say it's not a form of sexualization, exactly, because they're half naked or in skintight outfit and part of that is obviously sexualized, but the point isn't to be sexy for women to look and swoon at. You want to find what sexualization for a female audience looks like you need to look at media shaped by female taste, not superhero comic books. BL manga, romance novels, etc. they don't feature the kind of silhouette you're talking about.

1 hour ago, Tolvir said:

Males are sexualized in media. Maybe not as much as Females, but it's pretty damn close.

Male are sexualized in media, that's fact. But at a very minimal fraction to the extent to which female are sexualized. Denying that requires willful blindness or complete lack of awareness.

Fire Emblem has a franchise has more less involved both male and female fanservice historically. However the last iteration of the games have been going a bit more in the direction of having much more female fanservice than male fanservice. They've had "half naked" male characters but they are seldom intended to be sexy as such. Vaike isn't a popular character for a reason. Because that sort of things don't appeal to women. And even if you look at the classic dark mage silhouette in Awakening, both male and female are sexualized, but while Tharja is sexy looking, Henry's custom outfit is in the other direction. I wouldn't say there is NO male fanservice for a female audience at all in Awakening (Gaius, Frederick, etc. are popular for a reason), but when they do they seldom go into the direction of making the male characters into a piece of meat like female objectification does.

Another aspect is "nakedness/sexy outfit" in male characters being much more likely to be played as comedy. The bunny outfits are all silly, but they seem more silly-funny in Chrom and Xander's case, whereas they seem more silly-sexy in Lucina and Camilla's case. That also plays with Odin, yeah he's half naked, but it's part of him being a ridiculous and funny character. Part of that is because of the construction of sexiness in male and female are different. It doesn't prevent a female to be sexy if she's seen as ridiculous and demeaned, but in a male character, being thus demeaned is seen as a decrease of masculinity and therefore sexiness. And that's due to the historical domination of men which has built masculinity as directly dependent on power and status whereas feminity has been historically constructed as vulnerable and submissive. Which is fucked up, but that's why you can go "lol, both sides". Gender and sexuality are complicated stuff...

[Folt]

35 minutes ago, Jave said:

If we're talking sexualized male characters, I don't think anything beats Volug as far as FE goes. 

As for the banner, I think the outfits are cute and I'll pull from it at least until I get one of them. I'm kind of a sucker for limited versions of characters and I know I'll regret it later if I pass on it. 

I dunno 'bout that. The generic male Fighter outfits in Fates is rather sexualized from my point of view. (The thong probably helps.)

In terms of the outfits, I love sexualized female outfits (since I'm attracted to females), but equal opportunity sexualization is fine by me (which is not the case here... maybe?). I do love that the males are also getting in on the fun of limited edition outfits since whenever people complain about females getting swimsuit/bunny girl/schoolgirl limited edition/DLC costumes, I'm sitting here in the corner being sad about no male limited edition/DLC costumes (swimsuit or otherwise), so Fates being equal gender opportunity in terms of costume versions of other characters pleases me.

I also wonder, given that Camilla and Lucina appeared here, and Robin likely appearing for the Christmas DLC, I'm wondering if the five other promotional characters for Heroes are spread out amongst the other seasonal promotions. If I'm right, then Marth, Roy, Takumi, Lyn, and Tiki (if I remember correctly) make up half of the seasonal promotions, at least in the beginning, and they will be spread out two and two. If that's the case, I could see characters associated with these five (or being from the same continent) being additional LE units you can summon.

[Othin]

If Ike is going to have at least two outfits, maybe more through events like this, it makes sense for those outfits to cover both of his games one way or another.

[Arthur97]

Wow, I was only at college for a couple of hours and I missed so much...stuff.

2 hours ago, Anacybele said:

Xander and Chrom look fine to me, but wow, Lucina and Camilla look disgusting. Even if I did like them as characters, I wouldn't pull them in these outfits. They're far too revealing and sexualized for my tastes. They might as well be called Playboy Bunnies here. This is a Nintendo game, not a porn/Playboy magazine.

And it really is going to be up for half a month like the others? Stupid and lame. Only actual new characters should be reserved for that. There's nothing new here, not even Xander since he does appear in the story. Can't believe I have to skip the banner AGAIN.

I also don't like complaining as much as I have been. But I didn't choose for these banners to happen, so...

Then don't complain. It's that simple.

2 hours ago, shadowofchaos said:

Ana, have you ever heard of "you can be not hyped, but don't dishype the hyped"?

Like, I myself isn't excited for this banner and don't particularly care... but Belinda is excited for it. Should I be rude and tell her that she's being excited for crap? No. No, I wouldn't.

You're doing that... for the last 3 banners.

If you dislike it so much, then don't comment and stay away from it. This thread is about laughs and what people like. Not a bellyaching thread.

People deal with enough negativity in heroes.

 

Agreed

2 hours ago, GinRei said:

A little cleavage isn't enough to make the game only suitable for those ages 17 and up.

We get it already, you don't like this banner.  Or most banners.  I can only hope you don't take offense when people complain about Ike being in a banner, and then another banner, and then likely another banner.

Also agreed

1 hour ago, Dolce said:

Tbh I'm not a big fan of what they're doing for the Easter event. The costumes themselves are adorable because they fit for Easter but, at least in my opinion, I'm thinking "... these characters once had dignity. Now they're wearing bunny outfits."

I'll still try to pull though because ayy limited edition and I don't have any of the special characters yet.. and I would lol every time I looked at their outfit.

Anyways, I'm sure there are still plenty of fans that like what they've decided to do haha.

To be fair, has Chrom really had any dignity since Smash?

What are some of your thoughts on Lucina's new voice? It sounds out of place for her character, but seems to really fit the event.

Edited March 29, 2017 by Arthur97

[Ice Dragon]

8 minutes ago, Cute Chao said:

While I personally don't care for him and I don't want both PoR and RD Ike in the game (two of what to me is essentially the same character), I see no reason for him not to have more outfits. He's a very popular character and he does deserve some more seasonal events because of that ^.^ Maybe they're saving him for a summer special ;)

I'm pretty sure we'll start getting multiple non-event variants of the same character (even from the same game) eventually.

At the very least, we'll probably get variants with different weapon types. I know a lot of people here would love to have a magic-using Lucius, for one.

[NoirCore]

9 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

We have two Tikis though, so it wouldn't be fair not to have both Ikes too... But yeah, true.

Both Tikis are very different in how they act, so that's likely why there's two of them at the start and it's more accepted by people. Ike doesn't have that drastic of a maturity change from my perspective, so that's why I was originally against the idea of three Ikes while fine with two Tikis starting off.

Of course, with alternate versions now being a thing, I'm not against the idea of three Ikes anymore. I'd love to see more "serious" alts, like mage/dragon Roy or one Fates kingdom's royals in another kingdom's classes like in the Cipher cards, though.

[Eselred]

Looks like I'll have 500 orbs before they bother to release Ike.  Up to 350 something already.

Absurd.

[BestFriendJ0]

1 minute ago, NoirCore said:

Both Tikis are very different in how they act, so that's likely why there's two of them at the start and it's more accepted by people. Ike doesn't have that drastic of a maturity change from my perspective, so that's why I was originally against the idea of three Ikes while fine with two Tikis starting off.

Of course, with alternate versions now being a thing, I'm not against the idea of three Ikes anymore. I'd love to see more "serious" alts, like mage/dragon Roy or one Fates kingdom's royals in another kingdom's classes like in the Cipher cards, though.

Raven has had a sword the entire time (it's just sitting there on his belt). I want him to use it.

[Tolvir]

46 minutes ago, Res said:

 

Agreed. I find many outfits with a great more coverage more appealing than skimpy outfits (although I wouldn't call any outfit sexy, they're just pieces of cloth). 

As for family-friendly, eh. A swimsuit isn't okay but a game in which the whole objective is to slaughter the opposition is? Granted, there's no actual blood in the Fire Emblem series, but as a whole I find violence is considered to be far more acceptable for kids than a bit of nudity, at least in U.S. culture, and that disturbs me more. Should I refrain from taking my kids to the beach at summertime?

Yeah, I can see the case against absurd armor in the actual games, but in Heroes, I don't see a problem with it. 

I agree, it is always something that has bugged me. Its part of the reason I never found fan service offensive or annoying. Lord help you if some woman's breasts are shown on TV, but two people getting their heads crushed by a psychopath with a baseball bat? Sign me the hell up! The complaint people had over the overly sexualized Mortal Kombat characters annoyed the tar out of me. We have characters ripping each others spines out and body parts flying everywhere, but you want to complain about the female ninja in a skimpy outfit? The double standard gets ridiculous. The US has the Puritans to thank for that view point.

32 minutes ago, Roflolxp54 said:

Arvis's Summertime BBQ and the (Re-)Return of Mr. Fuga's Wild Ride.

Halloween need's to be Grima's zombie apocalypse, with post apocalyptic zombie wasteland themed FE characters.

[shadowofchaos]

5 minutes ago, Eselred said:

Looks like I'll have 500 orbs before they bother to release Ike.  Up to 350 something already.

Absurd.

Oh nooooooooo.

Your life must be ruined and you cannot have any fun at all with this game.

Like it must be nice liking a character that is universally known and we'll liked by the fanbase and will 100% be in the game for sure with multiple iterations.

I'll be here waiting for Cipher cards of obscure dancers.

 

Edited March 29, 2017 by shadowofchaos

[Roflolxp54]

Versions of a character thus far:

Spoiler

Lucina: Future Witness, Spring Exalt, (Choose Your Legends)

Tiki: Dragon Scion, Naga's Voice

Robin: High Deliverer, Mystery Tactician, (Christmas event male Robin)

Tharja: Dark Shadow, (Christmas event)

Corrin: Fateful Prince, Fateful Princess

Chrom: Exalted Prince, Spring Exalt

Xander: Paragon Knight, Spring Prince

Camilla: Bewitching Beauty, Spring Princess

Roy: Young Lion, (Choose Your Legends)

Lyn: Lady of the Plains, (Choose Your Legends)

Ike: (Non-event version), (Choose Your Legends)

 

6 minutes ago, Tolvir said:

Halloween need's to be Grima's zombie apocalypse, with post apocalyptic zombie wasteland themed FE characters.

Complete with more second generation Awakening characters, Grima!Robin, and Sacred Stones characters.

Sitting on 430 Orbs right now. Contemplating on trying to pull for Spring Exalt Lucina and Spring Princess Camilla but I'm mistrustful of the RNG.

Edited March 29, 2017 by Roflolxp54

[Cute Chao]

11 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said:

Oh nooooooooo.

Your life must be ruined and you cannot have any fun at all with this game.

Like it must be nice liking a character that is universally known and we'll liked by the fanbase.

I'll be here waiting for Cipher cards of obscure dancers.

 

Yeah, this gets me sometimes about people complaining about Ike not being in it yet. I mean, yes, you want your favourite character but at least you know he's being added. Who knows if mine will? I'm hoping Kent has enough plot relevance to be and he's a Christmas knight. Not sure how much hope Volug, Nailah and Cormag will... Geoffrey and Lucia again should have the right amount of plot relevance...

I do wish I didn't like so many other characters, though, so I could finally hoard orbs xD

Edited March 29, 2017 by Cute Chao

[Anacybele]

17 minutes ago, NoirCore said:

Both Tikis are very different in how they act, so that's likely why there's two of them at the start and it's more accepted by people. Ike doesn't have that drastic of a maturity change from my perspective, so that's why I was originally against the idea of three Ikes while fine with two Tikis starting off.

Fair enough, but given that both Ikes scored really really high on the Heroes poll, I can imagine there being a lot of salt if RD Ike was left out entirely.

[NoirCore]

6 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Fair enough, but given that both Ikes scored really really high on the Heroes poll, I can imagine there being a lot of salt if RD Ike was left out entirely.

You really love bringin' up that poll. o.o

Regardless, I bet the "alt" Ike (not to be confused with the CYL Ike) would later show up in a more "serious" alternate version banner.

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, NoirCore said:

You really love bringin' up that poll. o.o

Regardless, I bet the "alt" Ike (not to be confused with the CYL Ike) would later show up in a more "serious" alternate version banner.

I guess I do bring it up a lot, don't I? I mean, I only bring it up if I think it's a relevant point to make, but...yeah. I should probably shut up about it for awhile anyway.

And yeah, it's not like I'm saying all three Ikes have to show up at once. That'd be silly. Spread out the Ike love so us fans keep having more Ike to look forward to. lol

Edited March 29, 2017 by Anacybele

[Arthur97]

9 minutes ago, Cute Chao said:

Yeah, this gets me sometimes about people complaining about Ike not being in it yet. I mean, yes, you want your favourite character but at least you know he's being added. Who knows if mine will? I'm hoping Kent has enough plot relevance to be and he's a Christmas knight. Not sure how much hope Volug, Nailah and Cormag will... Geoffrey and Lucia again should have the right amount of plot relevance...

I do wish I didn't like so many other characters, though, so I could finally hoard orbs xD

I think Cormag has a decent chance. For starters, I (as a casual fan who only played SS once) actually remember him, so he does seem more memorable than some at least to me.

 

20 minutes ago, Roflolxp54 said:

Versions of a character thus far:

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Lucina: Future Witness, Spring Exalt, (Choose Your Legends)

Tiki: Dragon Scion, Naga's Voice

Robin: High Deliverer, Mystery Tactician, (Christmas event male Robin)

Tharja: Dark Shadow, (Christmas event)

Corrin: Fateful Prince, Fateful Princess

Chrom: Exalted Prince, Spring Exalt

Xander: Paragon Knight, Spring Prince

Camilla: Bewitching Beauty, Spring Princess

Roy: Young Lion, (Choose Your Legends)

Lyn: Lady of the Plains, (Choose Your Legends)

Ike: (Non-event version), (Choose Your Legends)

 

I feel that the Robins (I don't have much experience with the Corrins) have enough personality differences to be counted separately.

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Arthur97 said:

I feel that the Robins (I don't have much experience with the Corrins) have enough personality differences to be counted separately.

I thought they had the same personality? :/

[Arthur97]

Just now, Anacybele said:

I thought they had the same personality? :/

No, they have some minor differences. For one, the girl seems a bit more extroverted while the guy comes off as more introverted. Kind of like how the Morgans have differences in personality.

[Anacybele]

Just now, Arthur97 said:

No, they have some minor differences. For one, the girl seems a bit more extroverted while the guy comes off as more introverted. Kind of like how the Morgans have differences in personality.

The Morgans are different, I'll give you that one (because I find the male totally adorkable, but the female uber cringe-worthy), but the Robins seemed a lot more alike to me. Huh.

[NoirCore]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

I thought they had the same personality? :/

I'd argue the same thing. Both genders have most of their dialogue copied.

And I just realized that I failed to factor that in when I talked about initially not wanting three Ikes. Welp. :P

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, NoirCore said:

I'd argue the same thing. Both genders have most of their dialogue copied.

And I just realized that I failed to factor that in when I talked about initially not wanting three Ikes. Welp. :P

Yeah, the only differences I noticed were more aesthetic, the Chrom/Robin support aside. Like how female Robin calls Frederick Freddy Bear (omg so cute lol), but the male calls him Frederickson. :P

[Arthur97]

Just now, NoirCore said:

I'd argue the same thing. Both genders have most of their dialogue copied.

And I just realized that I failed to factor that in when I talked about initially not wanting three Ikes. Welp. :P

That's true, but there are some differences. They are quite similar, but they also diverge in some of their supports. I noticed that F!Robin seems to have more played up for comedic effect such as Chrom and Lon'qu while M!Robin supports with them are fairly serious. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but, trust me, I have spent way too much time analyzing them.

[Sire]

It's been a hectic morning for me, and every time I look away from this topic for a mere hour, there's tons of posts here...

Regarding fanservice, I am fine with it. Personally, I prefer fanservice to be balanced among the sexes instead of being primarily aimed at the male audience all the time. Want a girl in a bikini? Include a hot guy running around in his swimwear. If adding in Maids, why not Butlers? If there are Succubi, why not Incubi? Bunny suits and school uniforms for everybody!~ I like my fanservice as much as the next guy (save for when it is overdone and not necessary - "CG Cameraman vs Camilla," as well as Camilla's default outfit), but I always did wonder what fanservice the girls had to look forward to, if any were included in the first place.

As for the designs, they look fine. Lucina and Camilla wear clothes that mimic the classic bunny girl archetype (I am not a man of fashion, so I have no idea what all the technical terms are). Xander looks fabulous while Chrom is enjoying himself at the Spring Festival (blame Gaius for showing Chrom the Carnival or the Circus). Lucina's little hat looks adorable and it is nice to see her be happy for one instead of depressed all the time. Camilla serves her role as the sensual model.

Maybe the designs or the theme of the Spring Festival is not to one's particular liking. That is perfectly fine. Maybe some are still desperately waiting for their one true hero or heroine to appear in Heroes and are wondering why they are not arriving sooner. That is also fine. But seriously, there's no need to kill the hype for those enthusiastic or simply having a laugh at what is going on. This very discussion can sour some individuals who would have had a fantastic time with the event, but was ruined by simply reading negative comments. All it takes is a single seed of doubt or negativity to transform a possibly good experience into a poor one.

Fire Emblem Heroes is not meant to be taken seriously. It is a casual gacha game that allows players to collect and play with their favorite heroes throughout the franchise, and do so all in one place. Even the developers don't mind having some comic relief and "out-there" moments, so when these happen, embrace it. Heroes is Fanservice Central, and while some fans may get their favorites first, others will get theirs too in due time.

So, look forward to the Summer Festival where everyone is in their swimsuits. Go to Halloween for horror-inspired outfits (Risen King Chrom) or crazy costumes (Vampire Leo, Pirate Xander). Have some Christmas cheer with M!Robin being Santa, or possibly playing with a naughty Tharja. Then, even with all these alternative outfits, look forward to the alternative weaponry and colors these heroes can be from a gameplay standpoint!

At the end of the day, Fire Emblem: Heroes is just a video game. Just try to have some fun, or at the very least not spoil it for others, okay?

[Ryuke]

Axe Chrom => Sure he's a hero if you bring him to another FE Game

Green Mage Camilla => She can use magic. Nuff said

Blue Lance Paladin Xander => Yes; he's a Paladin so he can use lance

 

Blue mage Lucina??????? What in the world?