Zangetsu Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, Arthur97 said: Yes, but there were also several times where neither of them had it. Indeed, but I would like to know if that math did factor those variables for their conclusion. Not that this is exactly the great questions of life anything like but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SniperGYS Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just here to say, that if someone added me on Heroes for the Gauntlet, feel free to delete me from your list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Zangetsu said: Â Should I assume that it's not as simple as just to divide the entire scores with 3? I mean there were multiple times where both Tharja & Robin did get the multiplier bonus. 6 hours ago, Arthur97 said: Yes, but there were also several times where neither of them had it. Robin had 5 hours of the bonus. Tharja had 2. I took the cumulative score from those hours, multiplied by 2/3rds and subtracted that from their overall total scores. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangetsu Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, Hawk King said: Robin had 5 hours of the bonus. Tharja had 2. I took the cumulative score from those hours, multiplied by 2/3rds and subtracted that from their overall total scores. Â Â Yeesh! Nearly a 6 billion difference. I suppose we should be grateful. Especially compare to Camilla VS Minerva. That entire thing was just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TearingShadows Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Sometimes you got to win the gauntlet in your own way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Why? Even if you hate Tharja, why Raigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 40 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said: Why? Even if you hate Tharja, why Raigh? Why NOT Raigh? If I had the resources, I'd do something like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Because Leo has cavalry buffs. Because Tharja double tap everything. Because Sanaki can OHKO with ease. I guess it's fine if it's just character favoritism, but when it come to gameplay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said: Because Leo has cavalry buffs. Because Tharja double tap everything. Because Sanaki can OHKO with ease. I guess it's fine if it's just character favoritism, but when it come to gameplay... Any -blade user wants a team built around them. Raigh is an interesting unit - assuming +Spd/-Res, you're looking at a unit that's VERY similar to neutral Tharja. If 2 Spd is the end of the world, then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, eclipse said: Any -blade user wants a team built around them. Raigh is an interesting unit - assuming +Spd/-Res, you're looking at a unit that's VERY similar to neutral Tharja. If 2 Spd is the end of the world, then so be it. Raigh loses a few compared to Tharja so it isn't the "end of the world", but building a +Spd Raigh is just unnecessary. You'd literally be doing it because: 1. You've lost your mind 2. You're drunk 3. You like Raigh A LOT 4. Your Tharja sucks 5. You have an extra Tharja 6. You're drunk 7. To prove any unit can be good My Tharja is -Spd but I don't have a +Spd Raigh though. Otherwise I'd do it because I'm drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Arcanite said: Raigh loses a few compared to Tharja so it isn't the "end of the world", but building a +Spd Raigh is just unnecessary. You'd literally be doing it because: 1. You've lost your mind 2. You're drunk 3. You like Raigh A LOT 4. Your Tharja sucks 5. You have an extra Tharja 6. You're drunk 7. To prove any unit can be good My Tharja is -Spd but I don't have a +Spd Raigh though. Otherwise I'd do it because I'm drunk Or because you have that +Spd Raigh. Again, it's not the literal end of the world, and if it's a -blade tome, you're running buffs anyway. Which is a moot point in my case, since I don't have her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, eclipse said: Or because you have that +Spd Raigh. Well that was a given 1 minute ago, eclipse said: Again, it's not the literal end of the world, and if it's a -blade tome, you're running buffs anyway. Which is a moot point in my case, since I don't have her. Well if you're anything like me (which you probably aren't), you'll expect some results And when Raigh doesn't double when Tharja would have, I'd probably kick myself in the neck for sacrificing her. But hey! In the name of doing something nuts right? #BraveLanceAzuraBecauseWhyNot Spoiler  Also, the match-up I ran was Darting Blow Tharja vs. Darting Blow Raigh. I gave them both fury (Neutral Tharja and +Spd -Res Raigh) and Raigh loses 2 matchups while Tharja loses no matchups, and actually gains a draw because the defense boost took away a loss. Added attack buff Tharja gets 75 wins Raigh gets 65 wins 10 is sizable I guess Added speed and attack buff Raigh gets 97 wins (ain't too half bad) Tharja gets 105 wins (better) Lets do just speed buff for keks Tharja gets 83 wins Raigh gets 75 wins Just some calcs in case you were interested in the difference :)   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TearingShadows Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 It's more that I don't really like tharja right now and she had pretty subpar ivs too. I have a silver tharja with better ivs so if I wanted to use her I probably would've golded that. Spoiler I am crazy tho  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Arcanite said: Well that was a given Well if you're anything like me (which you probably aren't), you'll expect some results And when Raigh doesn't double when Tharja would have, I'd probably kick myself in the neck for sacrificing her. But hey! In the name of doing something nuts right? #BraveLanceAzuraBecauseWhyNot  Reveal hidden contents  Also, the match-up I ran was Darting Blow Tharja vs. Darting Blow Raigh. I gave them both fury (Neutral Tharja and +Spd -Res Raigh) and Raigh loses 2 matchups while Tharja loses no matchups, and actually gains a draw because the defense boost took away a loss. Added attack buff Tharja gets 75 wins Raigh gets 65 wins 10 is sizable I guess Added speed and attack buff Raigh gets 97 wins (ain't too half bad) Tharja gets 105 wins (better) Lets do just speed buff for keks Tharja gets 83 wins Raigh gets 75 wins Just some calcs in case you were interested in the difference :)   There's good and bad at looking at a unit in a vacuum. The good is that you get an idea of their relative strength. The bad is that it doesn't take into account a lot of things, like whatever specific situation you're fighting in. Do those edge cases matter? Probably not, in the giant grand scheme of things - something's either dead, or it isn't, and doing 55 x 2 damage to someone with 40 HP has the exact same result as doing 55 damage. I have yet to lose because of a single point of Speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, eclipse said: There's good and bad at looking at a unit in a vacuum. The good is that you get an idea of their relative strength. The bad is that it doesn't take into account a lot of things, like whatever specific situation you're fighting in. Do those edge cases matter? Probably not, in the giant grand scheme of things - something's either dead, or it isn't, and doing 55 x 2 damage to someone with 40 HP has the exact same result as doing 55 damage. I have yet to lose because of a single point of Speed. And then when you add the context of your team, you realise just what you're doing. According to the calculator, my Nino, with both Lilina and Linde support, can kill everyone except some red units like Xander, Ike, Ryoma, as well as Effie. Is this all right? ...Well, if I'm in this position, I've got a perfectly good Linde right next to her that has +8 Attack due to standing next to Nino... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just gonna say, If I ever got a second Tharja (the first if I ever get it is for Leo), she would go to Raigh. Â I like Raigh, he deserves at least some bias from me. (Coming from someone considering a bias 5* promotion for Odin). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANRYU Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Can't believe people are still on this topic lol ;; but while we are... I happen to have a second Tharja and have been trying to decide who to give her blade to lol. Leo's the obv choice ofc though I was also considering Henry (have all the dank mages though behehe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) If I had second Tharja... I would make Tharja+1. Of course not having Sanaki make it much easier decision but it's not like like you  often need multiple red mages so one stronger instead is better. Edited May 20, 2017 by Tenzen12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANRYU Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Tenzen12 said: If I had second Tharja... I would make Tharja+1. Of course not having Sanaki make it much easier decision but it's not like like you  often need multiple red mages so one stronger instead is better. Very true, but I wanted to try the novelty of building all the dark mages and possibly having an all-them arena defense team lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolygonsandVideoGames Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 We can all agree Mark is best avatar that doesn't ruin any stories and let us pray Mark finds a way in Heroes. I would LOVE that. ...Ah well. I can at least pretend that Kiran is Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) The new rules of adding more bonus to the inferor team by time makes it harder to decide whether to spend flags on each win. I'm gonna support Lissa! Edited June 23, 2017 by Rosetta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Assuming I'm reading it right, the other Twitter post right before it says that the disadvantage bonus multiplier will increase as the time remaining decreases, up to a maximum of 7.5×.  As for the announcement itself...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Eeeek. I replied the wrong thread. Please delete my posts... Edited June 23, 2017 by Rosetta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astellius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 .......REVIVAL OF THE BATTLE OF THE MAGES!!! MERRIC WILL WIN THIS TIME! But it's seriously hilarious that so many people started accidentally posting in this thread again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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