What is your unpopular Fire Emblem opinion?

[Ottservia]

8 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Don't worry about me; I'm not one to keep watching a show after the quality plummets. I gave up on Code Geass after the Euphemia Incident, I gave up on Gotham after season 3, and I gave up on Game of Thrones after season 3. I will just say that I have been enjoying Fairy Tail so far; there are some things I dislike about them (some of them being certain anime tropes that I find more annoying than anything else) but I'm enjoying the magic system and the main characters; I especially like a lot of the character arcs so far. 

 

And... you’ve already fallen into fairy tail’s trap. The “quality” of the series never really plummets per say(cause it was never really that good to begin with) but it does stay consistently enjoyable. Mashima’s greatest strength as a writer is definitely being able to draw out the emotions of his characters and exploit it to the hell and back. It’s what makes fairy tail so enjoyable. A lot of what he writes has the illusion of depth when there’s not much there at all. Fairy tail is what I would classify as “shounen junkfood” it ain’t good for you but damn if it doesn’t taste good. If you wanna discuss fairy tail further though my PMs are open cause this isn’t the place for me to rant about that.

15 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Isn't One Piece the one that takes years to catch up to because it has hundreds of episodes?

 

Yep but it’s a satisfying story the whole way through though I personally haven’t caught up in a while.

Anyway to get back on topic, I honestly don’t think 3H’s voice acting is anything special. The overall quality is okay at best with only a Handful of standout performances. SoV’s voice acting was much better.

[Flere210]

Is kinda offtopic but one piece is better enjoyed by reading the manga and then watching the best scenes animated. It's also way faster to marathon.

[JAZ_2002]

AHA IT'S MY TIME TO SHINE!

- Wil is my all-time favorite Fire Emblem character

- Birthright has the best story of the three Fates games

- I have a huge bias for Birthright (BR > CQ > RV)

- I don't hate Corrin, as a matter of fact I’m a big fan of him (not in conquest though)

- M!Corrin >>>>>>>> F!Corrin (b/c Cam Clarke)

- Birthright Corrin is the best corrin

- Kaze isn’t a good unit

- I think Archers are awesome (so much in fact it's my favorite class aside from Bishop)

- Cavaliers aren’t THAT great

- Kris can get annoying sometimes but I don't hate them

- The DS “sprite” animations look really good, especially the class designs

- I am not a fan of SoV. If it were only Alm’s route I would like it a lot more

- Lucina places very low in my list of best Lords

- I love having a customizable Avatar. I hope they add an avatar for the next installment (but keep their role to a minimum like Mark). Also Byleth should not be considered an avatar by any means.

- Fernand is one of my least favorite villains.

- As much as I’m happy for saving the series, I just can’t bring myself to enjoy Awakening. The only drive I have to play it is marry Olivia and recruit my boy Inigo.

- Roy is not my boy

 

I'll probably add more as they come to me

[Slumber]

6 hours ago, vanguard333 said:

I will just say that I have been enjoying Fairy Tail so far; there are some things I dislike about them (some of them being certain anime tropes that I find more annoying than anything else) but I'm enjoying the magic system and the main characters; I especially like a lot of the character arcs so far. 

As a warning, Fairy Tail is FAR AND AWAY at its best very early in the series. And even then, I'd say its strength is just keeping the story moving at a solid pace and being a serviceable(If generic) shonen series. It only takes about two arcs for all of the things you like to gradually disappear, while the things you dislike explode in prominence. Take the fanservice for example. Early on, it's the odd joke here and there at Lucy's expense. By the end of Fairy Tail, it's essentially the only thing people found notable of the series.

Keep going with it if you want, but the very first time you suspect something is... off about the series, take the hint and drop it. It's really not worth it. Even if you enjoy the characters now, only one of them(That you haven't even gotten to yet) has a satisfying character arc.

37 minutes ago, JAZ_2002 said:

- Birthright has the best story of the three Fates games

I don't think this one is super unpopular. Conquest and Revelation are so messy, that Birthright's basic good vs. bad story is notable for not just collapsing on itself like the other two.

I think the biggest complaints are just Corrin abandoning their siblings to side with some complete strangers they only knew for a few days, and the absolute character assassination Xander goes through on that route.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Slumber

[vanguard333]

13 hours ago, Ottservia said:

And... you’ve already fallen into fairy tail’s trap. The “quality” of the series never really plummets per say(cause it was never really that good to begin with) but it does stay consistently enjoyable. Mashima’s greatest strength as a writer is definitely being able to draw out the emotions of his characters and exploit it to the hell and back. It’s what makes fairy tail so enjoyable. A lot of what he writes has the illusion of depth when there’s not much there at all. Fairy tail is what I would classify as “shounen junkfood” it ain’t good for you but damn if it doesn’t taste good. If you wanna discuss fairy tail further though my PMs are open cause this isn’t the place for me to rant about that.

7 hours ago, Slumber said:

As a warning, Fairy Tail is FAR AND AWAY at its best very early in the series. And even then, I'd say its strength is just keeping the story moving at a solid pace and being a serviceable(If generic) shonen series. It only takes about two arcs for all of the things you like to gradually disappear, while the things you dislike explode in prominence. Take the fanservice for example. Early on, it's the odd joke here and there at Lucy's expense. By the end of Fairy Tail, it's essentially the only thing people found notable of the series.

Keep going with it if you want, but the very first time you suspect something is... off about the series, take the hint and drop it. It's really not worth it. Even if you enjoy the characters now, only one of them(That you haven't even gotten to yet) has a satisfying character arc.

Got it; thanks for the warnings. 

 

8 hours ago, JAZ_2002 said:

- Birthright has the best story of the three Fates games

This one definitely is not unpopular; it's easily the least bad of three bad stories. 

 

8 hours ago, JAZ_2002 said:

- I am not a fan of SoV. If it were only Alm’s route I would like it a lot more

The first part is fairly popular; the second part not so much. If you're just talking in terms of levels, I think most would agree that removing the excessive desert and swamp chapters on Celica's route would be an improvement, but honestly; I think a lot of people would say to keep Celica's route because at least in that route, the lord has a proper arc and her characters flaws are actually treated as character flaws by the story, and there's less fawning over her (If I had to hear one more character fawn over Alm and go on about how special he is and how they can't compare and how all the girls want him, I might not have been able to finish the game). 

 

8 hours ago, JAZ_2002 said:

- Fernand is one of my least favorite villains.

Yeah; he's not very good. He's ineffective, he's not scary, and the only real means to find him sympathetic is through playing DLC. Honestly, most of the antagonists in SOV are rather weak, but he and Berkut are both weak and filler. 

[Ottservia]

1 hour ago, vanguard333 said:

Yeah; he's not very good. He's ineffective, he's not scary, and the only real means to find him sympathetic is through playing DLC. Honestly, most of the antagonists in SOV are rather weak, but he and Berkut are both weak and filler. 

I wouldn’t call them filler as they do serve a very significant purpose in the story(Hans and Iago are more what I would call “filler” villains) which is to act as foils to Alm and Clive respectively. They’re great characters some of the best in SoV but the conflict they create is rendered completely meaningless by Alm which means as villains they just don’t work. 

[Benice]

Light magic is the worst kind of magic in FE, and bishops are useless.

[Etrurian emperor]

9 hours ago, Slumber said:

Take the fanservice for example. Early on, it's the odd joke here and there at Lucy's expense. By the end of Fairy Tail, it's essentially the only thing people found notable of the series.

I hear bondage in particular sticks out with Erza and Lucy not being able to move through an arc without getting captured and tied up, or at least wrapped up by combat restraints. 

I delved a little into Fairy Tail. I eventually dropped it for being a teensy bit too generic but I can't say I'm unhappy with having watched the first few arcs. Sometimes a competent use of most standard Shonen tropes can make for a decent experience. The whole ''nakama!'' thing is generic but I can't deny that the Fairy Tail guild being one big happy family is a very endearing sight. 

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- Fernand is one of my least favorite villains.

Yeah Fernand is just terrible. He even makes the Begnion Senators look reasonable in how they handle to common rabble. I'm sure working for the Senate isn't very fun but there's nothing to suggest they don't pay their soldiers.  Fernant meanwhile seems to think that Python and Forsyth getting rewarded for their work is completely unacceptable. 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Etrurian emperor

[Ottservia]

8 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

9 hours ago, Slumber said:

 

I hear bondage in particular sticks out with Erza and Lucy not being able to move through an arc without getting captured and tied up, or at least wrapped up by combat restraints. 

Oh that isn’t even the worst of it. There’s an entire scene where Erza is “tortured” by a demon with a sort of dominatrix aesthetic, whip and all. Erza is chained up and naked and I swear every panel is drawn like a hentai doujin. There’s also a tentacle monster. Like Mashima if you want to draw porn just draw porn. A lot of us would be very happy if you did but I digress. If you wanna see for yourself it’s chapter 364 of the manga(it’s somewhat censored in the anime)

[CH0D]

On 2/11/2020 at 7:12 PM, vanguard333 said:

Right from the get-go, we see how different Ike is from other FE lords with his determination, stubbornness, recklessness, and need to get stronger all on full display as early as the prologue, with him desperate to do so much as land one decent blow on Commander Greil during sparring. And that only becomes the tip of the iceberg. 

Hector, Alm, and Leif all fit this description as well. You say a lot about how Ike is the only/first lord to be developed in a certain way or act in a certain way, and it's really not true, but whatevs.

I'm done talking about this, I am uninformed about PoR and RD's stories as that has become incredibly clear, so any debate/arguement I make is pretty much invalid, I just have subjective problems with PoR, and I thought that I stressed that a ton but apparently not enough. PoR is a good game, Ike is a good character, they just fall short in my opinion. I have more objective problems with RD though, but it's more about the gameplay/pacing than the story and subjective stuff.

[Acacia Sgt]

I'd probably also add Ephraim to the list. Nothing screams more "Determined, Stubborn, Reckless" than the charge at Renvall. I think getting stronger is also there somewhere.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Acacia Sgt

[Icelerate]

5 hours ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Yeah Fernand is just terrible. He even makes the Begnion Senators look reasonable in how they handle to common rabble. I'm sure working for the Senate isn't very fun but there's nothing to suggest they don't pay their soldiers.  Fernant meanwhile seems to think that Python and Forsyth getting rewarded for their work is completely unacceptable. 

It is stated that the Senate are willing to pay generous amount of money for each subhuman that is hunted down by soldiers from both the Daein and Begnion armies. It's nice to see they put their riches into a cause despite being greedy bastards. 

[vanguard333]

1 hour ago, CH0D said:

Hector, Alm, and Leif all fit this description as well. You say a lot about how Ike is the only/first lord to be developed in a certain way or act in a certain way, and it's really not true, but whatevs.

I didn't say "only" or "first"; I said we see right from the get-go some ways in which he differs from other FE lords. Sure, there are a few that also fit that small description, but they're not the norm. Plus, I ended that statement with "and that's just the tip of the iceberg" as in there's a lot more to say. 

 

1 hour ago, CH0D said:

I'm done talking about this, I am uninformed about PoR and RD's stories as that has become incredibly clear, so any debate/argument I make is pretty much invalid, I just have subjective problems with PoR, and I thought that I stressed that a ton but apparently not enough. PoR is a good game, Ike is a good character, they just fall short in my opinion. I have more objective problems with RD though, but it's more about the gameplay/pacing than the story and subjective stuff.

Okay. 

[Slumber]

1 hour ago, Acacia Sgt said:

I'd probably also add Ephraim to the list. Nothing screams more "Determined, Stubborn, Reckless" than the charge at Renvall. I think getting stronger is also there somewhere.

Ephraim is what I feel like a lot of people think Ike is. And also to a large extent, what people think Echoes Alm is.

Say what you will about Ike and Alm, at least people weren't sucking them off in their very first appearance in the story(Well, aside from Faye), and then attached by the hip to him all the way til the end.

Ephraim pretty much gets no guff for the shit he does, unlike Ike, Hector, Alm and ESPECIALLY Leif.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Slumber

[Jotari]

2 hours ago, Slumber said:

Ephraim is what I feel like a lot of people think Ike is. And also to a large extent, what people think Echoes Alm is.

Say what you will about Ike and Alm, at least people weren't sucking them off in their very first appearance in the story(Well, aside from Faye), and then attached by the hip to him all the way til the end.

Ephraim pretty much gets no guff for the shit he does, unlike Ike, Hector, Alm and ESPECIALLY Leif.

Ephraim gets a bit of guff from Seth in his own route. Though Seth's sensible advise is usually depicted as wrong because Ephraim is just too awesome to require cost analysis tactics.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Jotari

[Interdimensional Observer]

4 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Ephraim gets a bit of guff from Seth in his own route. Though Seth's sensible advise is usually depicted as wrong because Ephraim is just too awesome to require cost analysis tactics.

At least it isn't Merlinus and Roy, now thats an awful contrarian dynamic. 

And, I felt they gave Seth the somewhat weaker side of this argument:

Seth:
“But… The Grado army outnumbers our own by a tremendous amount. We have talented soldiers, but that counts for nothing against those numbers. Currently, we have some ready reservists in the rear, protecting our supply convoy. What good is defending our convoy if it comes at the cost of losing the front? We must abandon our rear guard and strengthen the van, or we’ve already lost.”

Ephraim:
“This is enemy territory. We cannot surrender the convoy!”

Seth:
“But, Prince Ephraim…”

Ephraim:
“Seth, I know you only want to improve the odds of our success. And I know you make these suggestions in part to protect me from harm. However, I have no intention of changing my mind in this.

I would've expected Eph to want a strong van at the expense of the rear, he seems aggressive enough to want it. Also Seth, given Eph likes to plunge into things his own spear first, how, if you really meant to, would you be protecting Eph via the vanguard strengthening?

[Harvey]

Fire Emblem should from this point just add one or two difficulty options. 

 

[GlitchWarrior]

3 hours ago, Harvey said:

Fire Emblem should from this point just add one or two difficulty options. 

 

At this point, I can't argue. The "harder" difficulties aren't challenging, even, because of actual challenge. They're challenging because of bullcrap.

[Shrimpica]

30 minutes ago, GlitchWarrior said:

They're challenging because of bullcrap.

depends on game.

I mean, Conquest did it really really really well. They should have CQ gameplay desginers work on gameplay again. Only gameplay.

[Imuabicus der Fertige]

4 hours ago, Harvey said:

Fire Emblem should from this point just add one or two difficulty options. 

 

1 hour ago, GlitchWarrior said:

At this point, I can't argue. The "harder" difficulties aren't challenging, even, because of actual challenge. They're challenging because of bullcrap.

(Disclaimer: I have no experience with TH Maddening yet, but bear with me a bit)

I disagree. I think 3 difficulties can work very well, but what they should abstain from in the future I feel, is:

Ambush Spawns – especially if I can´t predict where they will spawn, because they spawn in just about any damn spot on the map. If I get forts, stairs or whatever that let me have an educated guess where they´ll spawn I´m personally okay with them.

Stat Sticks – Having every enemy be able to just barely not 2HKO your guys is just not good game design imo. Enemies should be able to meet your units on equal footing, but what´s the point of having actual characters when the enemy just wipes the floor with them. At that point I may as well use generics.

And on that note:

Map Design – I think maps should be designed in such a way, that they offer a mechanic that may help the player against an enemy in a superior position and has greater numbers but does not or only rarely affects said player adversely.

 

[CH0D]

On 2/13/2020 at 8:03 AM, vanguard333 said:

Yeah; he's not very good. He's ineffective, he's not scary, and the only real means to find him sympathetic is through playing DLC. Honestly, most of the antagonists in SOV are rather weak, but he and Berkut are both weak and filler. 

They're my favorite villians in the series... 😥

[Boomhauer007]

Not sure if technically an opinion but when anyone says that inevitable end / poison strike / staff savant are poorly designed I will basically dismiss any opinion they have on anything after that. 

I find the Tellius story to be rather overrated. 

I believe awakening's sales are more a product of circumstances than the actual quality of the game.

That's probably it, Tbh most of my opinions align popular ones on this site

[vanguard333]

42 minutes ago, Boomhauer007 said:

I believe awakening's sales are more a product of circumstances than the actual quality of the game.

Most people would agree that it was a combination of good marketing and being a 3DS game released in the best year for a new 3DS game. 

 

45 minutes ago, CH0D said:

They're my favorite villians in the series... 😥

Two things:

1. Interesting. Now you know how I felt when you said Ike was generic and Elincia was a worse Celica; the difference being that I played and paid attention to Shadows of Valentia. (Please don't interpret this as passive-aggressive; I'm actually perfectly calm and, if anything, having a small chuckle about this). 
2. I'm curious: why? Are there any particular reasons?

[Ottservia]

I will always stand by the opinion that Fernand and Berkut are good characters but terrible villains.

[Sidereal Wraith]

I feel the that the series really lost its mojo during the 3DS era. It feels like the core identity of the series was sacrificed for juvenile fan service and anime tropes. A lot of people to me seem to misinterpreted the series as a "dating simulator" when really only three, maybe four games include an Avatar that can marry other characters. Games like TMS # FE and some of the character designs in Heroes help to muddy the waters of the series' identity for neophytes. Fire Emblem at its core is a War Epic which focuses on the twin themes of fellowship and tragedy forged in the crucible of war. The series shows how the conditions of battle can not only create powerful relationships between soldiers but also how it can just as easily rip them apart via death. There was also a stronger sense of grey morality with more interesting villains that the 3DS games lacked, especially Awakening and Fates. 3 Houses has done an admiral job getting the series back on track, however I've been more reluctant to play it then any other game in the series. Having spent the last two years and some change reading both classic literature and fantasy fiction, I feel as if I have inadvertently desensitised myself to this series. While 3 Houses looks to be an excellent game, it still has the same anime tropes that turned me off from this genre to begin with. I'd rather spend my free time reading the works of Clark Aston Smith, Glen Cook, Lord Dunsany, and Thomas Ligotti among many others because their works seem to contain a special ineffable quality which I find lacking in the FE series and many JRPGs in general. There is a kind of sophistication in these author's works that seems to elevate them to being what I would consider art that I no longer find in the FE series. Maybe it's just that as I get older I want the entertainment I consume to be more then just cliché tropes and cute anime girls. Maybe I'm just being unfair to FE and anime in general by comparing it to the works of some of the greatest fantasists who ever lived. Either way I still want to take a genuine crack at 3H and see if it can deliver some of that old Fire Emblem magic. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Wraith