What is your unpopular Fire Emblem opinion?

[Jotari]

16 minutes ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

Oof, my amerocentrism has been defeated.

That's actually one of the reasons I do like fantasy racism as an allegory (though I am sick of beast man for unrelated biological complaints). So often racism is just treated as, well basically black people. And in the USA there's obvious historical reasons for that, but discrimination does hit way more groups than just black Americans, so by taking away any recognizable face from it allows it to represent any group and hit the core issues at work...well theoretically, how well it manages to actually do that does depend on the individual work in question. And sometimes it can run into circumstances where the fantasy elements kind of don't mesh well with the allegory. Like sure in the real world where we're all humans we deserve to be treated equally, but when you have races (species) of creatures with literal super powers and immortal life spans and stuff that other races (species) don't, the idea that they're all equal does break down a bit.

[joevar]

3 hours ago, Maof06 said:

And now my unpopular opinion: Ike is overrated. He is only popular because he's in Smash.

you beat me to it, i want to say that too. altho for different reason. one of the reason being his status as humble birth being brought up a lot, which i dont think merit him that much big point. Sure in FE games, someone not a "Lord" as MC is a rarity, but in that kind of story about fighting evil ruler that want to rule the world its rarely that unique. quite common i believe. the fact that Ike promoted into Lord also make his strong point obsolete in a way. (cant say about RD, didnt play)

Another character that i think overrated for "wrong" reason is Claude. people like him for his cunning and specifically his "schemer" persona like the game told the player. The problem for me is he doesnt really embrace that schemer part, intentional or not . like how he want to sabotage the standoff only to say it as a joke. if he fully become schemer he would risk falling into different side of same coin to Edelgard, which is "noble cause with questionable method". Imagine if Claude actually were to be put in the shoes of TWSID and actively make Edelgard and Dimitri fight to death only to topple the last one standing. that would be one nasty antagonist or anti-hero. (we need more of those in FE game, not comically evil villain)

part of what makes him rated highly that i agree is because his design and good performance from his VA. doubt it he will make that much impression if Claude were in Fe6 or earlier game where theres only one portrait without expression and no voice

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Edited October 27, 2020 by joevar

[Fire Emblem Fan]

4 hours ago, Maof06 said:

And now my unpopular opinion: Ike is overrated. He is only popular because he's in Smash.

I definitely also think that Ike's popularity shot up because of Smash Bros. PoR and RD were absolutely not best-sellers in any region.

[Ottservia]

I feel like Ike is overrated but I have nothing against him personally. He’s pretty standard as far as protagonists go and not much else to say beyond that. He’s not a bad character by any means just generic. Nothing else to say about him really. I feel like he’s overhyped(and personally I find Chrom to be the more compelling character) but that by no means makes him bad.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Ottservia

[Benice]

2 hours ago, Sooks1016 said:

usually I find people blur the line between story telling and the story itself.

The problem is, I can have an epic story about a pair of childhood friends who are separated in the midst of a war and overcome many harrowing trials just to see one another again. But all of the epic premises will be lost if I tell it like this:

"One day two friends got separated because of a war. They overcame many trials and saw each other again. The end."

And while TH's storytelling is nowhere near as bad as my example, the point remains that if the way a story is presented fails to impart any sort of, (or enough)  information, (something the orginial FEs struggled with a lot, actually.) then it's not really a good plot.

2 hours ago, Sooks1016 said:

Hmmmm... huh. What do you define as world building then?

Actually showing us the world rather than telling us about it-I still know basically nothing about the average Leicester alliance citizen, what the culture is like, so on and so forth. I am willing to give AM slack until I eventually play it, but VW as of right now hasn't really shown me much of the Alliance.

3 hours ago, Sooks1016 said:

And the answer is never. We get pictures of this built up in our minds in A LOT of supports but unfortunately we don’t SEE any of this, it’s kind of like a history book, if that makes sense.

History books can tell intimate stories inside the past and can show what life looks like, (I would actually recommend reading the Horrible Histories books, they're excellent IMO) and I think part of the problem is the size of the playable cast, which is quite small. The lack of new characters introduced in part 2 also don't help. (I really wish they added new ones come part 2.) The amount of supports every character has to have prevents there from being more.

...I'll stop before I rant about modern supports again.

[Umbralis]

Character-wise, Henry is much better than Tharja.

[Venger_06]

48 minutes ago, Deathlord Apricity said:

Character-wise, Henry is much better than Tharja.

I don't think this is unpopular at all. A lot of people agree that Tharja is not a great character.

[Umbralis]

7 hours ago, Maof06 said:

I don't think this is unpopular at all. A lot of people agree that Tharja is not a great character.

Oh okay good. I thought people liked her character more just because of fan-service.

[Mars of Aritia]

Ike is also popular because he is a great unit.

If anyone is popular only because of smash, it's Roy. He is useless in his home game.

[Sooks]

Just now, Mars of Aritia said:

If anyone is popular only because of smash, it's Roy. He is useless in his home game.

And doesn’t have a personality.

[Interdimensional Observer]

Having or not having a personality doesn't matter, if you're the main character, you get a lot of emphasis and mandatory screen time, you're guaranteed to be liked by the silent mass of the fanbase. All lords, barring like the Jugdrali lords b/c they're obscure, are popular, if FEH is anything to go by.

[Jotari]

13 minutes ago, Mars of Aritia said:

Ike is also popular because he is a great unit.

If anyone is popular only because of smash, it's Roy. He is useless in his home game.

I like Roy because of his home game (and wish he were more like it in Smash, where's my flaming projectiles Sakurai!?), but this is pretty true.

[Samz707]

2 hours ago, Mars of Aritia said:

Ike is also popular because he is a great unit.

If anyone is popular only because of smash, it's Roy. He is useless in his home game.

While the game admittingly doesn't make it too clear that  Roy's relying on his army (Since it's only said in a  few supports) I do actually enjoy having a subpar Lord that I have to protect for gameplay (It's like escorting a Green unit but they're not a suicidal idiot.), really it's only a problem IMO due to how he needs to always capture something at the end of every map, for a series about the "POWER OF FRIENDSHIP" having a Main Lord that well, actually relies on his friends is something I feel fits.

Granted, you can make the argument Roy's a little too weak but if I had a choice between Roy or "I am become death, destroyer of worlds" Robin soloing the entire game, I'd take Roy as it's more interesting on a gameplay aspect.

 

[Fabulously Olivier]

Okay, hot take time....

 

Roy is the reason why FE was localized and has become the series it is today, not Marth. Roy's character design is way more in line with western preferences. His popularity far exceeds that of Marth based on Smash popularity alone; Marth benefits from first lord "obligation" bias and still has nowhere near Roy's popularity.

 

If Melee had released with only Marth, "that tiara guy," very likely would not have created the surge of interest that made FE a global franchise.

 

We owe Roy a debt of gratitude. He may very well be the most important character in FE history.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Fabulously Olivier

[Samz707]

1 minute ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Okay, hot take time....

 

Roy is the reason why FE was localized and has become the series it is today, not Marth. Roy's character design is way more in line with western preferences. His popularity far exceeds that of Marth based on Smash popularity alone; Marth benefits from first lord "obligation" bias and still has nowhere near Roy's popularity.

 

If Melee had released with only Marth, "that tiara guy," very likely would not have created the surge of interest that made FE a global franchise.

 

We owe Roy a debt of gratitude.

Listen, we all know if they kept the Toga, Marth would be the most played Smash character ever.

I know my friend who plays Smash plays Roy as his main (Dunno if that's a recent thing or not), I honestly haven't really played much smash. (Only a little bit at his house.)

[Sooks]

2 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

Okay, hot take time....

 

Roy is the reason why FE was localized and has become the series it is today, not Marth. Roy's character design is way more in line with western preferences. His popularity far exceeds that of Marth based on Smash popularity alone; Marth benefits from first lord "obligation" bias and still has nowhere near Roy's popularity.

 

If Melee had released with only Marth, "that tiara guy," very likely would not have created the surge of interest that made FE a global franchise.

 

We owe Roy a debt of gratitude.

Meh. Maybe, but there’s no real evidence for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right?

[joevar]

3 minutes ago, Samz707 said:

While the game admittingly doesn't make it too clear that  Roy's relying on his army (Since it's only said in a  few supports) I do actually enjoy having a subpar Lord that I have to protect for gameplay (It's like escorting a Green unit but they're not a suicidal idiot.), really it's only a problem IMO due to how he needs to always capture something at the end of every map, for a series about the "POWER OF FRIENDSHIP" having a Main Lord that well, actually relies on his friends is something I feel fits.

Granted, you can make the argument Roy's a little too weak but if I had a choice between Roy or "I am become death, destroyer of worlds" Robin soloing the entire game, I'd take Roy as it's more interesting on a gameplay aspect.

 

yeah, he actually have some characterization, altho 90% of it in support and easily miss. the artwork dont have variation expression also didnt help. cant tell if someone actually angry or happy when talking.
about his uselessness and the need to carry / escort him to throne is FE6 design flaw as a whole rather than Roy fault. and we already have so many strong from birth lord character. cant have nakama powah argument if you solo it all afterall

[joevar]

2 minutes ago, Sooks1016 said:

Meh. Maybe, but there’s no real evidence for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the fact that Roy rank higher than marth in CYL is evident enough i believe. FEH being the most mainstream and accessible FE is another point this is valid evidence since we are talking popularity

[Fabulously Olivier]

21 minutes ago, Sooks1016 said:

Meh. Maybe, but there’s no real evidence for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right?

You mean other than Roy:

Placing higher in CYL based almost entirely on Smash preference.

Him doing so despite his game not being localized. (Marth's localized game sold so poorly that they didn't even bother localizing the sequel, btw).

Being the only example of the Smash fanbase asking for an FE character after he was removed from 4's base roster. (Imagine that - Smash fans wanting an FE character. Feels good, man).

 

 

Frankly, there's more evidence supporting the importance of Roy in Smash than contradicting it.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Fabulously Olivier

[Sooks]

50 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

You mean other than Roy:

Placing higher in CYL based almost entirely on Smash preference.

Him doing so despite his game not being localized. (Marth's localized game sold so poorly that they didn't even bother localizing the sequel, btw).

Being the only example of the Smash fanbase asking for an FE character after he was removed from 4's base roster. (Imagine that - Smash fans wanting an FE character. Feels good, man).

Lmao yeah okay, guess there is evidence. I suppose respect Roy a little bit now. Wow.

[NaotoUzumaki]

To be fair a weak lord Like Roy is a more compelling one than Byleth who is God vessal since they aren’t op and that can put them in good scenarios for writting while writing an op lord you don’t have much other than Saitama route of boredom. Roy game along with genealogy of the holy war are good candidates for a remake to improve their game and see if Roy deserves even more praise then being bringing FE to west.

[Interdimensional Observer]

36 minutes ago, NaotoUzumaki said:

To be fair a weak lord Like Roy is a more compelling one than Byleth who is God vessal since they aren’t op and that can put them in good scenarios for writting while writing an op lord you don’t have much other than Saitama route of boredom.

Except, Roy is only weak magically and possibly physically, though:

says that could well be overstated by fans. Roy still has a brain, and it's supposed to be his strength. And, it is possible to make someone too good at strategy, by being the flawless mind, they become boring, since you know whatever stratagems they execute will succeed, the same way you know anything Ike chops will die/lose and he'll live/win.

[Axie]

roy is the best lord we've ever had i won't take questions at this moment in time 🙂

i went to check the CYL results though to see roy thrive and... why the hell is DORCAS of all people so popular? top 25? for a fe7 random dude? what happened there

Edited October 27, 2020 by Axie

[Fabulously Olivier]

31 minutes ago, Axie said:

roy is the best lord we've ever had i won't take questions at this moment in time 🙂

i went to check the CYL results though to see roy thrive and... why the hell is DORCAS of all people so popular? top 25? for a fe7 random dude? what happened there

He's a western meme character due the infamous "what about Dorcas?" "I put poison in his mutton" line from the official FE7 commercial.

 

(And we wonder why the series took so long to become commercially successful).

Edited October 27, 2020 by Fabulously Olivier

[Sooks]

30 minutes ago, Axie said:

i went to check the CYL results though to see roy thrive and... why the hell is DORCAS of all people so popular? top 25? for a fe7 random dude? what happened there

Memes