Shrimpica Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: What is dragon degradation? And when was that last part ever in modern fe? Dragon when becoming old fall into their instincts, become crazy and want to destroy the world or something it's pretty much in every FE except Tellius, Sacred Stones and 3H. 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: So you’re Edelgard scum as well? 😛 Nah i am Team best boi Claude Between Edel and Rhea dunno really, but i think slightly Rhea Edited December 23, 2020 by Father Shrimpas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Father Shrimpas said: Nah i am Team best boi Claude Oh right I kind of forget he exists because he’s so perfect, I know few who wouldn’t side with him 1 minute ago, Father Shrimpas said: Dragon when becoming old fall into their instincts, become crazy and want to destroy the world or something I mean I’ve seen that to an extent in fe, but never spun about age or instincts fe doesn’t put that much into its villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Dragon Degeneration isn't that common, neither is that used when it comes to villains. In Shadow Dragon your final boss and some of his underlings are Manaketes. Degenerated Dragons don't even show up at all, discounting the Macedonian feral mounts. Mystery of the Emblem only has them as obstacles, not an antagonistic force. The degenerated Earth Dragons are treated as a threat to prevent being unleashed, but again, they're more a tool the actual villain (Gharnef) wants to exploit. In Elibe the dragons die, not degenerate. It's only really Fates and SoV that uses the "Denegerated dragon is a driving force villain" ploy. Edited December 23, 2020 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Father Shrimpas said: So this is more a story thing... Dragon degradation is one of the stupidest things to happen to this franchise. All it leads to is people not being responsible for their actions, or something. It would've been much better to focus on living long, loss, betrayal, etc, instead of ''We fall to our instincs and become angryyyyyyy reeeeeeee''. It's why i consider Rhea to be the only well done ''enemy'' Dragon in the franchise. Yeah! And honestly discussing rumors can be pretty fun tbh. No dragon degregation in Elibe. How do you feel about Yahn and Idoun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jotari said: No dragon degregation in Elibe. How do you feel about Yahn and Idoun? Just like how i feel about the Elibe games, and my opinion on them isn't the most positive 😛 Like everything in the Elibe games 11 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Dragon Degeneration isn't that common, neither is that used when it comes to villains. In Shadow Dragon your final boss and some of his underlings are Manaketes. Degenerated Dragons don't even show up at all, discounting the Macedonian feral mounts. Mystery of the Emblem only has them as obstacles, not an antagonistic force. The degenerated Earth Dragons are treated as a threat to prevent being unleashed, but again, they're more a tool the actual villain (Gharnef) wants to exploit. In Elibe the dragons die, not degenerate. It's only really Fates and SoV that uses the "Denegerated dragon is a driving force villain" ploy. So correct me if i am wrong, but iirc didn't Naga create the Falchion exactly to fight degenrated dragons? Edited December 23, 2020 by Father Shrimpas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Father Shrimpas said: So correct me if i am wrong, but iirc didn't Naga create the Falchion exactly to fight degenrated dragons? I think it was against dragons in general. Ultimately, Archanea's dragon problem had always been driven by Manaketes, not the feral ones. In fact, other than the danger of the Earth Dragons being freed, feral dragons seem to be no longer a problem. Specially when you have both the Macedonians and the Northeast Barbarians taming the feral dragons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Father Shrimpas said: Just like how i feel about the Elibe games, and my opinion on them isn't the most positive 😛 Like everything in the Elibe games So correct me if i am wrong, but iirc didn't Naga create the Falchion exactly to fight degenrated dragons? In Shadows of Valentia, yes. IN Mystery of the Embelm it just said that Naga felt pity for the humans who could not defend themselves against dragons. This is in a section talking about the dinve dragon earth dragon war though, so it's just as likely created to protect against earth dragons intentionally killing humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benice Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Speaking of dragons, can we have an FE that doesn't have an evil cult for once? (Or other similar organizations that are shadowy and evil for no good reason.) That's another one that's an extremely common theme in FE, and it still hasn't been done well. I think that the only FEs that don't have an evil cult instead have a evil dragon too, which kinda sucks. Tellius doesn't, at the very least. NEW IDEA!!!! A cult made up of evil dragons! Perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Yeah the whole Evil cult and/or evil dragon (degenaration or otherwise) thing is definetly the worst part of FE storytelling. As i like to call them ''Story destroying methods of doom''. 5 minutes ago, Benice said: NEW IDEA!!!! A cult made up of evil dragons! Perfect! don't give them ideas 😛 Wait, does Anankos count? xD Can a lone dragon count as a cult? xD Edited December 23, 2020 by Father Shrimpas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevar Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Benice said: I think that the only FEs that don't have an evil cult instead have a evil dragon too, which kinda sucks. Tellius doesn't, at the very least. fe6 doesnt have those. well sure idunn is bad dragon, but thats because she must take order and the latest order come from mad king. and jahn is just there for lore dump if theres no evil cult or evil dragon, how will we satiate and find an excuse in our craving for war for grid turn-based battle 😛 Edited December 23, 2020 by joevar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotari Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Benice said: Speaking of dragons, can we have an FE that doesn't have an evil cult for once? (Or other similar organizations that are shadowy and evil for no good reason.) That's another one that's an extremely common theme in FE, and it still hasn't been done well. I think that the only FEs that don't have an evil cult instead have a evil dragon too, which kinda sucks. Tellius doesn't, at the very least. NEW IDEA!!!! A cult made up of evil dragons! Perfect! Nah, let us play as the evil cult! #ThreeHousesShouldHaveHadAnAgrathanRoute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Themes like this one below should be added to a regular Fire Emblem game. This one could work well as final boss theme tbh. If Fire Emblem goes creative with its gameplay, then it also should apply to the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrurian emperor Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 5:45 AM, Father Shrimpas said: Dragon degradation is one of the stupidest things to happen to this franchise. All it leads to is people not being responsible for their actions, or something. It would've been much better to focus on living long, loss, betrayal, etc, instead of ''We fall to our instincs and become angryyyyyyy reeeeeeee''. It's why i consider Rhea to be the only well done ''enemy'' Dragon in the franchise. Aren't most dragon villains just evil instead of feral? I can only think of Duma and Anankos as dragons who are merely insane and not responsible for their actions. Medeus and Loptyr are evil dragon emperors who want to subjugate humanity, Idunn is just mind controlled and Grima is an evil ''god''. Dragon insanity is usually the reason why their civilization collapses but its rarely a significant aspect of the dragon villains themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ping Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 58 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said: Aren't most dragon villains just evil instead of feral? I can only think of Duma and Anankos as dragons who are merely insane and not responsible for their actions. Medeus and Loptyr are evil dragon emperors who want to subjugate humanity, Idunn is just mind controlled and Grima is an evil ''god''. Dragon insanity is usually the reason why their civilization collapses but its rarely a significant aspect of the dragon villains themselves. Technically, the three Random Fire Dragons went feral. But it's also fucking stupid and disconnected from any kind of estabished Elibe lore, so maybe it should just be ignored. (also, Jahn is BinBla's main villain and Idoun's a bit of a red herring, but that changes literally nothing about your argument ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevar Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ping said: Technically, the three Random Fire Dragons went feral. But it's also fucking stupid and disconnected from any kind of estabished Elibe lore, so maybe it should just be ignored. (also, Jahn is BinBla's main villain and Idoun's a bit of a red herring, but that changes literally nothing about your argument ) which three fire dragon? FE7 or FE6? meh, Jahn is not main villain. he's main lore dump at best. not even unique sprite or battle model compared to generic war dragon. Idunn being regarded as evil despite only doing what she's been told is like saying all mechanical robot is evil just because they are in bad people hands. they dont have free will, nor even understand what free will even is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samz707 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, joevar said: which three fire dragon? FE7 or FE6? meh, Jahn is not main villain. he's main lore dump at best. not even unique sprite or battle model compared to generic war dragon. Idunn being regarded as evil despite only doing what she's been told is like saying all mechanical robot is evil just because they are in bad people hands. they dont have free will, nor even understand what free will even is The ones in FE7 that show up out of the dragon's gate. (Ninian kills two of them and you finish off the last one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevar Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Samz707 said: The ones in FE7 that show up out of the dragon's gate. (Ninian kills two of them and you finish off the last one.) oh that, i dont think thats something worth considering. basically just dragon who happen to cross gate and find humans that they despise so much they went into battle without second thought. so yeah, its as feral as Tiger who sees you as food material. but not evil, or mad. Edited December 27, 2020 by joevar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 There's also the fact that going feral or mad was never a thing with Elibean dragons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Ninian and Nils are shown to have quite human like thought. It’s been told to me that they’re half dragon but I’ve played every chapter and gaiden on all three story modes and have no idea where that comes from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevar Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: There's also the fact that going feral or mad was never a thing with Elibean dragons. no, no. feral = mad ? really? i said, yes its feral like tiger, not because they cant have thoughts, but they already reach a stage words wont satisfy them anymore. but eh. lets just drop it. FE7 not a good continuity lore wise Edited December 27, 2020 by joevar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, joevar said: no, no. feral = mad ? really? How did you go from "feral or mad" to "feral = mad"? 3 minutes ago, Sooks said: Ninian and Nils are shown to have quite human like thought. It’s been told to me that they’re half dragon but I’ve played every chapter and gaiden on all three story modes and have no idea where that comes from... Really? Did you played the Kishuna gaidens (including HM 19xx)? Since those deal incidentally about their parentage. Edited December 27, 2020 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevar Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Acacia Sgt said: How did you go from "feral or mad" to "feral = mad"? lol, i dunno. but i guess you understand my point already. they are hostiles toward human not because of those degradation or whatnot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Really? Did you played the Kishuna gaidens (including HM 19xx)? Since those deal incidentally about their parentage. Yep. And I remember because killing Kishuna was a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Sooks said: Yep. And I remember because killing Kishuna was a pain. But did you played 19xx? Since that chapter all but outright tells you that: Spoiler Nergal is their father. That's why they're half-dragons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Acacia Sgt said: But did you played 19xx? Since that chapter all but outright tells you that: Isn’t that the one with that black fog? Where Nergal says he forgot something. 1 minute ago, Acacia Sgt said: Reveal hidden contents Nergal is their father. That's why they're half-dragons. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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