Shiki Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Honestly i'm as much of a fan of FSN Cu as one can gets but i honestly think he's a bit overrated in that he somehow stays as THE Top 3* Lancer, with some saying he's better than many 4* and 5*. Its a view i personally share, but i won't say he's like wayy better than Jaguarman/Hozoin/Proto that he's a tier apart. He's on par with them at best but its because they are the cream of the crop for 3* servant to begin with. Cu is somewhat mediocre as a group servant since his survivalist approach isn't backed by anything else and his godly survivability hinges on 2 terrible skill In case of Jaguarman it's pretty easy to see the reason; Story locked. You get a free copy of her but getting her to NP5 is simply not appealing. Aren't people saying that Hozoin is now the best 3* Lancer? I honestly think he is pretty overrated outside of Solos since for a crit Servant he lacks the Star Absorption to utilize them for himself. This is absolutely fatal for a Lancer in a team setting (Karna has a similar problem) unless you have someone with targetable Absorption buff. But yeah, people say that there are tons of good 3* Archers but Lancers definitely have the same variety of excellent choices. EDIT: How is everyone's progress on Mona Lisa so far? I'm doubting I'm actually able to MLB it in time since I'm still at the 2nd one with a bit more than 800 MP. Edited January 2, 2018 by Talandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, Talandar said: How is everyone's progress on Mona Lisa so far? I'm doubting I'm actually able to MLB it in time since I'm still at the 2nd one with a bit more than 800 MP. I'm about to get my second copy of Mona Lisa. I'm not too optimistic about the odds of getting the other three at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QKumber Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Talandar said: If we're using Waver then the discussion is moot since any AoE Servant with Imaginary Element or even better Halloween Princess becomes viable for that. I don't think that you should expect that NA can pull of a fast budget clear with the current line-up and that's where Waver excels. Really? I am playing this game for a couple months now (pre halloween release) so prob not a beginner anymore but how hard is to find a waver for support nowadays? Most of my friendslist on caster and some on Any are also wavers. If you don`t roll one Waver, pick one on support and raise 2 AoEs. If you got one, you can raise 1 and pick a support one. Should be the easiest and cheapest way for a newcommer Edit: almost 4,2k MPs right now, so should be easy to MLB mona lisa soon Edited January 2, 2018 by QKumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 fuck I'm looking at the SQ I have now and the SQ I'll be getting. (rolled the karna/arjuna banner and got 4 copies of the worst new years CE. the one that gives debuff res+defense boosts. Didn't even get copies of 3* servants that needed NP levelling, Meth Clown came instead.) That's what I get for rolling jack+nursery rhyme and then getting takumi+azura in the New Years FEH gacha in one try. Is Brynhildr worth attempting to get? I haven't gotten anywhere with strong lancers aside from the best dogs. It's either saving for her or nero bride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) You're missing the point. Using Waver as an argument that any of the other 3 Berserkers are as 'good' as Kiyohime for farming is bad since Waver makes any difference between them moot in the first place. Having Waver on your friend list should be given but he can justify anything bad as viable so his existence is never a good argument for a Tier list where you want to assess differences. I have already laid out that both Darius and Eric are inferior to Kiyohime since the former has no real way to build up his NP and the latter is kinda a degraded version of her. Btw. she actually ends up similar damage-wise to Darius once she gets her 3rd skill, so you really have no reason to use them over her (admittely Darius has a Def debuff on his NP but that's an entire different niche). Only Spartacus is real competition to her but the guy only reaches that height with Strengthening. Without that he simply lacks damage and isn't a viable AoE option until then, so I have no intention to put him higher on the list for now. So no, none of them have anything over Kiyohime for now and, until Spartacus gets his buffs, she is the best budget option for farming purposes. 33 minutes ago, Skurge said: Is Brynhildr worth attempting to get? Well, she is an AoE Lancer that she can reliably spam thanks to her good NP gain and it actually hits reasonably hard thanks to the bonus effect. You might have to look the trait up but she also excels as Crit support. She has higher star generation than Okita and still has a solid count of 3 hits. Plus she can boost the star weight of others which is very useful for Berserkers due to their class. So I would say she is worth getting and you don't have that many chances to get her afterwards either. Edited January 2, 2018 by Talandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Well from a first glance, the limited servants I'm aiming to save for are Brynhildr/Nero Bride/Raikou/Summer Servants/Jalter. I've got time to build up what I have! Tamamo+Vlad are going to get worked like muppets. (no, not in that manner.) I'm sorta glad I don't HAVE to try rolling for merlin, because there's always someone that'll get him and max him out on my friends list. I'm gonna bum rush saber wars for gooes. Most of it is still within my vacation time and I'm just gonna pick folks with okita to help carry it(or if that one whale on my list gets MHX and maxes her..) I have a feeling that d'Eon is going to be worth their weight in gold solely because of that taunt. Caesar is waiting on gears and I can't seem to pull the fucking things out so he's stuck at being just about usable, same with Fergus. didn't level gilles. Dunno if I should. is there a tier list for grailed silvers/bronze servants? I can imagine Hans being at the top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Skurge said: Well from a first glance, the limited servants I'm aiming to save for are Brynhildr/Nero Bride/Raikou/Summer Servants/Jalter. I've got time to build up what I have! Tamamo+Vlad are going to get worked like muppets. (no, not in that manner.) I'm sorta glad I don't HAVE to try rolling for merlin, because there's always someone that'll get him and max him out on my friends list. I'm gonna bum rush saber wars for gooes. Most of it is still within my vacation time and I'm just gonna pick folks with okita to help carry it(or if that one whale on my list gets MHX and maxes her..) I have a feeling that d'Eon is going to be worth their weight in gold solely because of that taunt. Caesar is waiting on gears and I can't seem to pull the fucking things out so he's stuck at being just about usable, same with Fergus. didn't level gilles. Dunno if I should. is there a tier list for grailed silvers/bronze servants? I can imagine Hans being at the top of it. Its pretty much the same as talandar tier list with the support caster beside some support being a bit lower and i guess Asterios being notably higher A lot of Grail target in low rank is more "Grail fix their shit stats" instead of "this guy is so good i want to grail him". Bedivere is a good example of a the in between where Alondite Overload singlehandedly fix his shit skillset that scales really badly and is pretty much bad besides Mash gimmick synergy where you stack Lord Camelot, Mash 1st, Bedi 3rd, and Waver to get 100% def buff for a turn and even then Musashi and Bathory Saber does the same stuff and SR have a ridiculous pool of SR with daddy, Inuyasha, and Rama being on par with A+ SSR Saber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 welp I heard saber liz was bad though. Her skillset seems fine, as does her NP. (Musahi tho, that's another one to save up for) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 7:27 PM, N30 said: Reveal hidden contents Holy shit dude. So, let's focus on Belts 4 and 6. Belt's 4 translated title is "Lostbelt 4: The Darkened Final God, Creation Destruction Cycle - ◼◼ ◼◼◼◼◼◼ (?? 11900)" Me and other people think this is the Land of Iron - that is to say the world of Notes. The post apocalyptic mana drained world that perhaps can serve as a sort of "ending point" for the worlds of EXTRA and Miyu's world in Prisma Ilya. This is mainly due to the year not specificing BC or AD. and Belt 6? "Lostbelt 6: Time of a Star being born, ◼◼Round Table Region ◼◼◼◼◼◼ ◼ ◼◼ (AD 0500)" >Round Table Region Yep boys, we're going into Camelot - and considering the existence of the Shimosa Sub-Parallel World, and the male Arthur's growing prominence in the advertising, I think we're going into the Camelot of Fate/Prototype - The Male King Arthur's version of Camelot. Complete with the potential appearance of a Female!Merlin. Also, wondering why that Lost Belt 6 has a rank of EX? Well... I think the Male!Merlin has the answer to that. From Garden of Avalon (credits to /u/Cefai on the subreddit for bringing this up), That's why....yes. Should someone ever think of filling this planet with ether once again, they would set up their workshop on this island without a doubt. This is the last scar of the age of gods, and it could act as a pivot for flipping over the world. What is the island you may ask? Britain itself as /u/Cefai puts it: Rhon aside, Britain itself is important. Sasuga Nasu and foreshadowing. Spoiler It's entirely possible that the '?? 11900' could be BC, which would place it around the time that Altera/Sephyr first attacked Earth IIRC (which was explained in Extella). 'Creation Destruction Cycle' and 'Darkened Final God' could refer to the titan Sephyr and it's purpose of destroying civilizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Skurge said: welp I heard saber liz was bad though. Her skillset seems fine, as does her NP. (Musahi tho, that's another one to save up for) Saber Liz is less bad and more "Bland" Her NP gen is slightly above average and had good hitcount spread. Its just that when you dont want to use her casino skill, you are left with such a barebones skillset that she become literally "Saber with stnp, mana burst, and invul" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) I couldn't resist to share this: "NA is so fast ... " - A NA player Spoiler 11/21 Korean server opened 11/27~12/4 Gilgamesh Banner 12/6~12/15 Nero Festival 12/19~12/27 Moon Festival Event 12/21~12/31 Kintoki Banner 12/27~1/11 Halloween 12/29~1/17 Okeanos Update Release 12/31~1/10 Scathach Banner "Get on our level, scrub." - A Korean Everyday life in Korea. Surely NA should up their game, right? @JSND Alter Dragon Boner Curious, do I overrate Asterios that much? He would my 2nd/3rd recommendation for Grail Ascension since it remedies most of his low stats which is pretty much his only weakness. ... who is Inuyasha? Edited January 3, 2018 by Talandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Talandar said: I couldn't resist to share this: "NA is so fast ... " - A NA player Reveal hidden contents 11/21 Korean server opened 11/27~12/4 Gilgamesh Banner 12/6~12/15 Nero Festival 12/19~12/27 Moon Festival Event 12/21~12/31 Kintoki Banner 12/27~1/11 Halloween 12/29~1/17 Okeanos Update Release 12/31~1/10 Scathach Banner "Get on our level, scrub." - A Korean Everyday life in Korea. Surely NA should up their game, right? @JSND Alter Dragon Boner Curious, do I overrate Asterios that much? He would my 2nd/3rd recommendation for Grail Ascension since it remedies most of his low stats which is pretty much his only weakness. ... who is Inuyasha? I actually implied you underrate Asterios if anything(not really, all i said is on a Grailing tier he should be slightly higher than his current position on your list) on your tier he's.... where he is i guess. My only complaint for Asterios is he essentially need his skill maxed to be a thing Its my joke name for Munenori Yagyu, because of his Sitting EX Edited January 3, 2018 by JSND Alter Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, Talandar said: I couldn't resist to share this: "NA is so fast ... " - A NA player Reveal hidden contents 11/21 Korean server opened 11/27~12/4 Gilgamesh Banner 12/6~12/15 Nero Festival 12/19~12/27 Moon Festival Event 12/21~12/31 Kintoki Banner 12/27~1/11 Halloween 12/29~1/17 Okeanos Update Release 12/31~1/10 Scathach Banner "Get on our level, scrub." - A Korean Everyday life in Korea. Surely NA should up their game, right? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Only one more day until my 520 sq magically goes poof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 13 hours ago, YotsuMaboroshi said: Reveal hidden contents It's entirely possible that the '?? 11900' could be BC, which would place it around the time that Altera/Sephyr first attacked Earth IIRC (which was explained in Extella). 'Creation Destruction Cycle' and 'Darkened Final God' could refer to the titan Sephyr and it's purpose of destroying civilizations. @N30 NVM, I read dates wrong at the time, so this can be disregarded. Would just edit my post, but the forum doesn't let me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I'm ready for Saber Wars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Got Mysterious Heroine X and Nero in 240 sq It was a bit more than I liked but I’d say it was worth it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Got Mysterious Heroine X and Nero in 240 sq It was a bit more than I liked but I’d say it was worth it! Congrats! ... now prepare your wallet for JAlter. --- Saber Lily reward is 50.000, meh. I thought I could get her today so I can maximize the points gain from the beginning. Can't wait for the bonus quests. Those claws. Those HEARTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sire Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I was panicking a bit when I didn't see Saber Alter on the rate-up, but it turns out both her and Nero will be on the pickup summon list tomorrow. I'm just trying to increase me chances of rolling either Saber Alter or Nero for the extra points (and to have another good saber besides Artoria). That aside, I caved in to spending my 5 Summoning Tickets. I got 2 Lu Bu, Caesar, Romulus, and Mephistopheles . I have a feeling the 2 Lu Bus are trying to tell me something... I'll casually spend my AP on various stuff and start my hardcore grind once I roll on the gacha. At least I got the Trueshot CE for farming Transistors (decided to burn through some of my FP stash, might as well get some use out of it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Talandar said: Congrats! ... now prepare your wallet for JAlter. I’m not ready and I don’t think I’ll ever be. That aside, running a full gold Saber team is a wonderful thing. And they’re all Saber faces too~! Except d’Eon. They have no idea what’s happening. The story was actually really fun to read through. Saber Lily can’t escape her crotch beams even in the VN scenes, huh... @QKumber I noticed your Shishou has MLB Purely Bloom already. How... I’ve added MHX to my support list with the Shishou and Cu CE. Please show your support~! Edited January 4, 2018 by MrSmokestack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 welp the only gold saber I have is d'Eon. At least that tankiness is super useful. I'm sooo tempted to roll here but I think rolling for Brynhildr or Nero Bride would be a better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 ... I don't think you're supposed to clear the Archer node without full CE setup, right? Tesla annihilated me twice and despite taking @MrSmokestack 's X and even spamming her NP was not nearly enough to kill him (for reference he still had ~100k HP left). Welp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Talandar said: ... I don't think you're supposed to clear the Archer node without full CE setup, right? Tesla annihilated me twice and despite taking @MrSmokestack 's X and even spamming her NP was not nearly enough to kill him (for reference he still had ~100k HP left). Welp. I’m sorry my MHX isn’t high enough level yet. I had to split the exp between her and Nero. Guess not then. I mean double Cu + Leonidas should be able to handle it just fine. If missing points is an issue there are daily quests for those iirc Edited January 4, 2018 by MrSmokestack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) guys I did it again I decided to do a solo yolo pull and got MHX. I have no idea how good she is in the long run, but hey at least she'll get use for Saber Wars. It's gonna be awhile before she's at a usable level since I'm still trying to get the shop CEs. Edited January 4, 2018 by Skurge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 8 hours ago, MrSmokestack said: Got Mysterious Heroine X and Nero in 240 sq It was a bit more than I liked but I’d say it was worth it! If you care Nero's last interlude is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Emeraldfox said: If you care Nero's last interlude is available. It’ll be a while before Bond 5 but I just got her NP upgrade. I can max ascend her once I get enough statues from grinding tubes. I need MHX’s interlude too. Cu with Purely Bloom gets some funny damage numbers against Captain☆Tesla. Shoutout to @QKumber‘s Shishou for a dual Student-Teacher takedown. Edited January 5, 2018 by MrSmokestack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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