Jump to content
Vaximillian

Summoning Focus: Brave Heroes!

Who will be you free pick hero?  

211 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will be you free pick hero?



Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Lushen said:

Yea...I don't normally care about power creeps b/c I think they're a health part of a game's future, but in this game it upsets me.  For example, Lucina is going to outclass Ephraim so bad now I won't really be able to use him anymore, which is a shame b/c he is a Lord and was good when he came out.  So unless a new version of Ephraim comes out, I can't use the character Ephraim.

Not really, she's entirely different. She's a spurbot and he's a rallybot. Lucina is more generally usefull with esentially 2 Range Spur Atk+3 and Spur Spd+6 but she does nothing for Blade Tomes, there Ephraim remains the better choice. He hasn't lost his use, just a bit mitigated. If you run a team with Nino/Tharja, you'll likely run Ephraim instead of Lucina.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lushen said:

Yea...I don't normally care about power creeps b/c I think they're a health part of a game's future, but in this game it upsets me.  For example, Lucina is going to outclass Ephraim so bad now I won't really be able to use him anymore, which is a shame b/c he is a Lord and was good when he came out.  So unless a new version of Ephraim comes out, I can't use the character Ephraim.

Lord-Zero already said it, but Ephraim's buffs are different. Ephraim is better for buffing -blade mages since buffs like Hones and Fortifies are what -blade tomes consider for their bonus damage. Spurs, Drives, Goads, and Wards only help out the -blade mages, but don't get factored as bonus damage. He's also better at buffing people in general since Lucina's Geirskogul only buffs physical units. It leaves out any unit using a dragonstone, staff, or tome.

Ephraim with his Siegmund running Hone Speed 3 and Rally Def/Res would be able to give +3/+4/+3/+3 to any unit. For a -blade mage, that's +13 bonus damage on top of +3 to their attack.

Lucina with Geirskogul can only buff physical damage units and even if they had a -blade tome equivalent weapon, it would be useless to them. For example, Lucina with Geirskogul and Drive Def 2 would be able to give +3 Atk/Spd to any physical unit and +3 defense to all units within 2 spaces of her. A -blade mage would only get +3 to their defense in combat and it would do nothing for their damage output. They'd take less damage from physical units, but that's not their role.

Lucina running a similar build as Ephraim wouldn't be as good either. Aside from Geirskogul not affecting mages, with Rally Def/Res and Hone Attack or Speed 3, she would only be able to give +4/+3/+3 to a -blade mage. That's only +10 bonus damage and depending on if you have her with Hone Attack or Hone Speed, a -blade mage would be missing out on more attack for more damage or more speed to double more units.

Edited by Kaden

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Lushen said:

Not really.  16MT with ATK+3 adjacent is just flatout worse than atk/spd+3 in two spaces.

CYL!Lucina's buffs are only effective during combat and they need to be relatively close to her to be in effect. Also, CYL!Lucina's weapon buff doesn't buff magic users nor dragonstone users. She's more of a specialist while Ephraim/Eirika are much more flexible. An Ephraim with the Siegmund buff, Hone Speed, Rally Defense and the Fortify Res seal does more than CYL!Lucina. CYL!Lucina doesn't work well with blade tome allies; Renais twins do. 

Basically, comparing them is rather pointless at the moment since they serve different purposes. This is Ninian VS Azura all over again. 

Edited by Lord-Zero

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Awesome.

Lyn's new C skill does what it looked like. Hopefully better than Seal Atk, but probably still not great.

Ike's new A skill is ridiculous.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ChibiToastExplosion said:

The skill list is nice, who who gets what skill?

Roy gets the Spd/Def Blow, Lucina gets Drive Spd, and Lyn gets Atk Smoke. So it should be safe to assume that Ike gets the new Def/special skill.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lucina's stat spread is completely unchanged from her normal version. I guess you can't really improve on that though.

Lyn and Ike have 4 BST higher than they should normally have.

Edited by Korath88

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Korath88 said:

Lucina's stat spread is completely unchanged from her normal version. I guess you can't really improve on that though.

2 less HP for 2 more defense which with Geirskogul, means she has 30 defense. 41 HP, 36 Spd, 30 Def, and 19 Res is pretty good bulk. Not as great resistance bulk compared to regular Lucina. With Fury 3, she'd have 39 Spd, 33 Def, and 22 Res. It would be difficult to double her and 33 defense means it would take 74 physical attack to one-shot her and if you do double, 54x2 to take her out.

CYL Lucina is kind of a physically tankier, but weaker magically regular Lucina. Geirskogul's +3 defense is definitely helping out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Bow Lyn becomes the new meta...

I think the best counter for her in the arena would be Bow Lyn with... a Brave Bow+. Should be able to one-shot an enemy Bow Lyn + has that 3 range so she can strike first.

She also apparently can`t one-round Brave Ike, or so I`ve heard. So it looks like the CYL units kind of counter each other.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ike's base stats is so similar to +spd Hector. 

Ike with Urvan:

43 | 52 | 28 | 35 | 20

Hector with Armads (+spd/-hp)

49 | 52 | 28 | 37 | 19

Hector being very slightly bulkier, and  lacking one movement. 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Silent shifter said:

So it ends on 15 Sept. Around 2 weeks to summon.

Fair. Do they usually put that disclaimer on banner announcements? "Please note that the event schedule may change, so be sure to check back for updated info".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The banner image they use at the end of the preview teaser uses the words 新英雄登場!, which is used for non-limited banners. If the pattern holds up, that means the CYL characters will remain in the summoning pool after the banner is over. The two-week banner duration makes sense if this is, in fact, the case.

Also, I'm either expecting all five characters to remain 5-star restricted after the banner is over, but it does make sense for Roy and Lucina to drop to 4-star rarity if they decide they're going to keep with the usual system (but I'm not expecting them to do so).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

The banner image they use at the end of the preview teaser uses the words 新英雄登場!, which is used for non-limited banners. If the pattern holds up, that means the CYL characters will remain in the summoning pool after the banner is over. The two-week banner duration makes sense if this is, in fact, the case.

And in English, they use the phrase New Heroes instead of Special Heroes.

Phew, that's good news. Not "here have a free focus unit" level of good news, but the next highest step.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So after seeing the datamine for Roy's art, he went from being my last choice to my second choice (pushed poor Ike to the bottom XD). He is absolutely precious and fierce. And his stats are pretty nice. His ATK is the same as most of the popular sword cavs and Camus, but his weapon gives him an ATK boost before the +ATK nature. He's slightly speedier than Camus, so a +SPD nature on him would probably be amazing. He just sacrifices Eliwood level RES and everyone else level DEF for some balance which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sure I don't NEED another sword cav....but he's precious. 

Lyn is still my free pick though. And if these units are sticking around, I may just settle for trying for two of them. Or at the very least wait until the end of the banner to see what's coming next. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ice Dragon said:

The banner image they use at the end of the preview teaser uses the words 新英雄登場!, which is used for non-limited banners. If the pattern holds up, that means the CYL characters will remain in the summoning pool after the banner is over. The two-week banner duration makes sense if this is, in fact, the case.

Also, I'm either expecting all five characters to remain 5-star restricted after the banner is over, but it does make sense for Roy and Lucina to drop to 4-star rarity if they decide they're going to keep with the usual system (but I'm not expecting them to do so).

I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch. For all we know these absurdly good heroes will in fact disappear and this is just a super special banner that could in fact show up again at a later date. It seems... outlandish to make units like this permanent and not seasonal or limited in some fashion. I'm not raising my eyebrow, I'm shaking my head and not buying it.

Getting past that. Ike is unbelievably and absurdly broken. Like... wow I can't even wrap my mind around how good of a unit he is. I'm gunning for him at all costs. I'm still not picking him over Lyn, but he is just as much of a must have as she is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Zeo said:

I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch. For all we know these absurdly good heroes will in fact disappear and this is just a super special banner that could in fact show up again at a later date. It seems... outlandish to make units like this permanent and not seasonal or limited in some fashion. I'm not raising my eyebrow, I'm shaking my head and not buying it.

Assuming all four characters remain as 5-star exclusives, there is a 1 in 600-700 chance of pulling one of them when making full session pulls (about 1 in 400 for Ike if pulling only green). Those rates are easily low enough to justify leaving them in the pool, considering they are probably never going to appear on another banner other than a re-run of the CYL banner.

 

That said, if they join the standard summoning pool, does that mean we'll be able to find them in the Training Tower? That would be kind of amusing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They sure had fun with the English voices (datamine stuff):

Spoiler

 

Roy says "Roy's our boy" and Ike says "You..like Ike?"

They had fun with the memes

 

 

Edited by mcsilas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...