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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate News and Discussion: A Simple and Clean Finish


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Now that Ultimate has been out for a while, who is your favorite newcomer?  

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  1. 1. Who is your favorite base game (and Piranha Plant) newcomer?

  2. 2. Who is your favorite new Echo Fighter?

  3. 3. Who is your favorite Fighters Pass 1 character?



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6 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Why do you rank the Fire Emblem ova so low?

Probably because the FE OVA was only two episodes and it was pretty clear that there was meant to be more.

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10 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Probably because the FE OVA was only two episodes and it was pretty clear that there was meant to be more.

Yeah, but those two episodes are still better than like any given two episodes of Captain N. The Fire Emblem OVA wasn't amazing, but there's nothing really all that wrong with it either. At least, in my opinion.

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So about that F-Zero Medley, can anyone make out the lyrics? I hear the obvious "F-Zero" but the only other words i can make out are "skyscraper" and "endless".

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So

Vergeben, the leaker who's the very embodiment of a mixed track record, made another topic on gamefaqs today.
In it, he re-affirmed that Simon Belmont would be appearing as well as Isabelle from Animal Crossing, and followed-up on reddit saying that there's at least half a dozen newcomers left.

For reference, his initial post concerning Smash Ultimate a couple months before E3 said that Ridley (who, granted, many others were saying) and Simon Belmont would be appearing in it, alongside there being no cuts. Later he went on the record to say that Snake would be returning as well.

Why is this interesting?

The gamefaqs topic was removed after a couple hours.

There are only two examples I've seen gamefaqs topics getting outright removed during my time posting there: (a) flagrant trolling or sexual content (i.e. posting pornographic fanart) in the OP, which tends to be taken down within minutes... or (b) actual substantial leaks that take several hours to go down (someone was streaming MHW a week before the street date and after a few hours the discussion topics about it started getting deleted, with users distributing the stream link through PMs instead).

I'll leave y'all to think what you will, but I'm pretty heavily leaning towards real on this.

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Since the leaker has a mixed track record, i'm going to cautiously believe that what he says is true. 

  • Isabelle would most likely be a Villager echo.
  • Simon Belmont being Smash is a wide spread rumor
  • "At least half a dozen newcomers left" might be plausible. Let's take a guess and say that there are 6 more newcomers ("at least half a dozen" implies there might be more but since half a dozen is the only specific number here, let's just go with that). Counting Ridley, Inkling and Daisy, that's nine newcomers so far. Smash 4 had 18 newcomers (21 with DLC but this leak is likely just referring to the base game). When Sakurai said to "not expect too many newcomers", i think it's plausible to assume we'd only be getting half of the amount of newcomers Smash 4. Everyone's thinking we're only getting like, four or five newcomers in total but when you think about it, nine newcomers makes sense. Of course, DLC is bound to happen. Having DLC in Ultimate is free money for Nintendo and i can't imagine a timeline where they don't do DLC for this game.
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I wouldn't mind Isabelle, I don't really dislike her or have an opinion about her inclusion. But Villager, I think should have some new costumes. They need different haircuts! And while I'm on the topic of hair, I definitely think the inklings needed different hairstyles as well. There were so many to choose from in Splatoon 2, some of the costumes could have gotten those haircuts.

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I wonder what design Simon Belmont would have if he really is included. I doubt it’ll be from Lord of Shadows. The look from the NES era likely won’t appeal to Japanese players. Almost nobody liked the way he looked in Judgement.  Perhaps maybe the one in Chronicles?

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1 minute ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I wonder what design Simon Belmont would have if he really is included. I doubt it’ll be from Lord of Shadows. The look from the NES era likely won’t appeal to Japanese players. Almost nobody liked the way he looked in Judgement.  Perhaps maybe the one in Chronicles?

What's wrong with the classic appearance in Japanese eyes?

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2 minutes ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I wonder what design Simon Belmont would have if he really is included. I doubt it’ll be from Lord of Shadows. The look from the NES era likely won’t appeal to Japanese players. Almost nobody liked the way he looked in Judgement.  Perhaps maybe the one in Chronicles?

They could give us both Classic Barbarian and Chronicles Prettyboy Redhead. Smash has done similar things before, it wouldn't be anything new.

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10 minutes ago, Jotari said:

What's wrong with the classic appearance in Japanese eyes?

I dunno, perhaps that his outfit looks outdated and gaudy. Especially compared to the newer installments of Castlevania prior to Lord of Shadows. In other words, not anime enough.

7 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

They could give us both Classic Barbarian and Chronicles Prettyboy Redhead. Smash has done similar things before, it wouldn't be anything new.

You know, I was actually thinking something similar. They could pull a Wario and have the best of both worlds. 

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23 minutes ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I wonder what design Simon Belmont would have if he really is included. I doubt it’ll be from Lord of Shadows. The look from the NES era likely won’t appeal to Japanese players. Almost nobody liked the way he looked in Judgement.  Perhaps maybe the one in Chronicles?

If they do include Simon they should use his classic design:

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Wait, not that one...

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There we go.

1 hour ago, Ice Sage said:

Since EVO is a few days away and @Jedi and I and a few others will be there any character you guys want us to try out? I'll try to get as much as i can

For some reason we still don't know Inkling's Boxing Ring title, so if you don't mind can you find out what it is?

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29 minutes ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I dunno, perhaps that his outfit looks outdated and gaudy. Especially compared to the newer installments of Castlevania prior to Lord of Shadows. In other words, not anime enough.

You know, I was actually thinking something similar. They could pull a Wario and have the best of both worlds. 

Anime is just an art style, though. You can take then basic elements of the outfit and make it suit an anime art style.

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34 minutes ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I dunno, perhaps that his outfit looks outdated and gaudy. Especially compared to the newer installments of Castlevania prior to Lord of Shadows. In other words, not anime enough

I don't know if that really means anything. After all,, they can give us NES Simon but with a more modern look. Or they could do a blend and merge Simon's NES design with whatever his most recent appearance was. That's what they did with Roy in Smash 4 (only he didn't have an NES design)

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1 hour ago, SilvertheShadow said:

I wonder what design Simon Belmont would have if he really is included. I doubt it’ll be from Lord of Shadows. The look from the NES era likely won’t appeal to Japanese players. Almost nobody liked the way he looked in Judgement.  Perhaps maybe the one in Chronicles?

His OG look is fine there, can't just assume the Japanese don't like it because it doesn't look "anime".

They'd likely do NES and Chronicles. Like how Cloud was given ff7 and AC.

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i literally have no idea who simon belmont is, i get so confused whenever people talk about him.....

2 hours ago, Ice Sage said:

Since EVO is a few days away and @Jedi and I and a few others will be there any character you guys want us to try out? I'll try to get as much as i can

ZELDA!!!!!!!!!!! omg omg pls (and pls pls the Twilight Princess palette!! my my absolute fav)

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6 minutes ago, Carter said:

i literally have no idea who simon belmont is, i get so confused whenever people talk about him.....

He's the first of many protagonists in the gothic action series Castlevania. He uses a whip and sub weapons as his main methods of fighting.

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I probably should have been more articulate with what I said. I just thought of characters like, say, Marth, Sonic, and to a lesser degree Link who have had radically different designs over the years and how Belmont’s original look might fall into the category of not aging well. Maybe I’m underestimating the nostalgia that Japanese players might have for the original design, but it’s hard to imagine them liking it more than the more modern, pretty boy aesthetic. I know a lot of western gamers like the barbaric and more mature looking Belmont though, so I can see them adding both designs in or maybe making a new model entirely as other people have mentioned. Let’s just agree that the Judgement and Lord of Shadows looks aren’t happening. :P

Oh, and fun fact. Simon shares the same VA as Saber from SoV. I even listened to some clips on Behind the Voice Actor and they sounded... weird. 

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Simon Belmont on the first game's box = Conan The Barbarian w/ whip. So I kind of agree it wouldn't be that relatable for a Japanese or a post Die Hard western audience that no longer has beef cakes as its action stars. He'd certainly look unique since his Simon's Quest armored look might make him look too similar to Solaire, Fire Emblem characters. I think going for a unique aesthetic is key for getting people interested when they haven't played these games, so Castelvania 1 is appropriate and at least the most iconic of his looks.

After mulling it over some, I guess I can get behind choosing a Belmont over Alucard as a Castlevania rep. For one thing, Alucard doesn't use the whip most people would expect. And while I would love to see Alucard's magic and transformations come together in a cool character design. The Whip plus items is enough to make a unique and fun moveset. What matter most is having Dracula's Castle as a stage for some incredible music, and it's notable that Simon's Theme is also one of the better tracks from the series that's dying to be in a character trailer.

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5 hours ago, Ice Sage said:

Since EVO is a few days away and @Jedi and I and a few others will be there any character you guys want us to try out? I'll try to get as much as i can

Being the daisy fanboy I am, I suggest Daisy.

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45 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Would be nice if Daisy was in the demo.

Goshdarn the developers and making demos that give you taste of the game and not allow you to play the entire game! /s

My alternate suggestion would be Little Mac. I wanna see how one of my first mains is in this game.

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