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I enjoyed the read. And this is coming from someone who rarely checks these. :awesome: Haven't been playing a lot of FE as I used to, so this helped recall a few things and even get to know it better.

 

13 hours ago, Køkø said:

:Blazing Sword: 

In addition, you know that thing where characters turn forwards and look at you when they talk? That's the precursor to face-petting, friends.

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No.

13 hours ago, Køkø said:

So again, what exactly does "anime" mean to you? Do you feel IS is intentionally trying to appeal to that audience?

I'm going to go with your own interpretation, since it's not set in stone as it is. "Anime" is just basically what it is...the art style, I take. Other than that, it's kind of obvious IS had to go that route to appeal to that kind of fanbase. People who say that kind of stuff are ignorant and only know FE by what post-Awakening has been doing.

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11 hours ago, silveraura25 said:

Rather than say "anime", I'd use "light novel"

I think this is probably the most accurate. Most of the really bad tropes many associate with anime nowadays tends to come from light novels, particularly isekais, due to their bland writing, main character worshipping, and usage of tropes with barebone execution of said tropes. Tropes aren't inherently bad by any means, but when they are misused in a series that usually executes tropes well (and honestly is where most of the good writing is from), it can become noticeable and many may come to dislike it as we have seen.

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19 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

That might be going a bit far, but yes, Marth, Alm, Seliph, Roy are all more or less of a feather. Ike, Chrom, Sigurd and Ephraim, if you ignore their greater gruffness, are sadly rather similar to the Perfect Pretty Boys as well. Leif, Hector and Eliwood possibly alone among the men avoids coming into contact with any form of perfection, and HE only don't because they need the Tactician to bail them out.

When exactly is the tactician needed to bail Eliwood out? Unlike in Lyn mode, you can choose not to have the tactician and the story goes smoothly. It actually makes more sense that there is no tactician in the main story because it makes little sense that an educated lord in an established territory is going to rely on some stranger.  Though Sigurd's "perfection" was his own undoing, if I'm not mistaken, so I wouldn't say he's similar to the perfect male lords. If a perfect quality/trait ends up having negative repercussions, that's something I consider a flaw and in Sigurd's case, a fatal flaw. Also, being a tactician =/= being perfect. Eliwood's character doesn't change whether or not Mark exists as Mark is hardly relevant. 

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10 hours ago, eclipse said:

 

I flipped a coin regarding whether or not I should  keep this topic open.  In terms of general trends regarding storytelling, characters, and trope rigidity, it's interesting.  In terms of execution, it's terrible, because I feel like you're subtly trying to shit on both anime and Fire Emblem.  Also, the analytical method is flawed - pop culture changed from the time Marth Sans Pants was released to now, so you'd have to analyze entertainment trends that were popular at that time, then apply it to what FE has in general.  Coming-of-age stories have been popular for way longer than shonen anime.

Since the methodology is so off-base, I can't really comment on the conclusions, other than the lack of Shadow Dragon.  The gaiden chapters are completely new content, and even if there isn't a lot to analyze, it's better than skipping over it.

We've had this discussion before, yes? You said something about your job requiring you to be able to to tell what people are thinking or something to that effect. I'll say it now as I said it then, I will tell you exactly what's on mind. If my intentions matched your surmise I wouldn't be "subtly" going about anything, that's not the kind of person I am. If I wanted to shit on FE and "anime", I would be doing it.  With the alternative being not posting period. 

If you read thoroughly, not once did I say I took an analytical look at anything. The precursor to the rundown was "I thought over all the games a bit". For further clarification, I like reading what other people have to say, putting their thoughts and mine parallel and seeing what happens. That's the "analytical look" I was referring to.  I've read and appreciated several posts to this topic and they've given me exactly what I was looking for. Slumber in particular. And I have to say I was feeling pretty good until you came at me with this crap again. Stop accusing me of doing something I'm not. 

In regards to Marth not wearing pants, history isn't my forte but, the dress style of all the characters screams Greco-Roman clothing to me, particularly Marth's. I also heard somewhere that he was named after Mars, the Roman god of war. Maybe @Interdimensional Observer could tell us. If you read everything you'd see me say that my pop culture knowledge is limited, so if you can point me to some popular anime featuring that at the time, I'm waiting. I don't think the dress code was at all implemented with same intention as Fates.  That is, blatant, sex-sells fanservice.

10 hours ago, eclipse said:

 

Since the methodology is so off-base, I can't really comment on the conclusions, other than the lack of Shadow Dragon.  The gaiden chapters are completely new content, and even if there isn't a lot to analyze, it's better than skipping over it.


Honestly, if you felt like I was attacking this should be a good thing.   

 

6 hours ago, Armagon said:

 

Of course, that's assuming you're writing a story that's meant to be taken seriously. If you're writing a comedy, then you can have tropes take over the world if you want.


Agreed. I was talking about a serious story, but yes, you could definitely make a good comedy using them.  

 

6 hours ago, Oz ♠ said:

I enjoyed the read. And this is coming from someone who rarely checks these. :awesome: Haven't been playing a lot of FE as I used to, so this helped recall a few things and even get to know it better.

Wow, really? And here I was started think most didn't read, and the ones that did hated it. 

6 hours ago, Oz ♠ said:

 

 

uh

No.

Perhaps that's going a bit too far. It's definitely something to consider though. If the GB was capable, I totally think Maeda would have gone for it. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Køkø said:

Honestly, if you felt like I was attacking this should be a good thing.  

Actually, that's grounds for closing the topic.

Provoke thought, not emotion.  The latter tells me that you can't do the former.

I'll edit in the rest of my reply later.

EDIT: So, here we go.

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We've had this discussion before, yes? You said something about your job requiring you to be able to to tell what people are thinking or something to that effect. I'll say it now as I said it then, I will tell you exactly what's on mind. If my intentions matched your surmise I wouldn't be "subtly" going about anything, that's not the kind of person I am. If I wanted to shit on FE and "anime", I would be doing it.  With the alternative being not posting period

See, this is where I disagree.  Because this is how you opened the topic:

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So many people agree that recent FE is "anime", "weeb shit", etc....

First, "many people" is subjective - HOW many people, and in what proportion is it to the rest of the fanbase (including people that don't go to forums)?  Second, "weeb shit" is provoking emotion, not thought.  So you're already taking potshots at anime, despite claiming that you're not.

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We know that anime isn't actually a genre, so when people say 'anime" in this context they're usually referring to certain tropes, and sexually charged fanservice.

Neither of these are exclusive to anime.  Or Japanese entertainment in general.  So singling out "anime" is naive at best and dishonest at worst.

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Is this your definition as well?

Nope.

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There are many examples of the "chosen one", and tiring as it may be, it's not exclusive to anime. Though my media knowledge is limited, I'm not inaccurate in stating this as this is rectified by a quick Google search or a brisk look at a Wiki page. I can't really give you any detailed examples, but out of all of you here, I'm sure you at least one of you can. In conclusion, nothing stands out as problematic here, other than being incredibly standard.

You can't think of a single coming-of-age story and tell the reader to look it up themselves?  Even if you're not the walking encyclopedia of entertainment, you could do the Google search yourself.  If you're trying to be informative (as opposed to posting the first thing that comes to mind), that's the bare minimum you do.

So if a trope isn't solely an anime trope, it's okay?  Great, that's just about all of them~!

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This game is the series' high point regarding story. Without spoilers, I'll just say that this game as often regarded as the darkest FE. Yet none of it is for shock value, which I appreciate. Is this "anime"? Does any one know of any anime like FE4? Berserk maybe? Though that series does have an anime, we can say without question that it isn't "anime". In my conclusion, no "anime" here.

FE4 was released in 1996.  Can you name which anime/genres were popular?  Not off the top of your head, that's what Google is for.  What themes were present?

I have my own theories, but this isn't my topic.

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It fills out any "anime" checklist you can think of. Immature boy protagonist, rash but always if not most of the time wins, power up forms, that hair.... 

You get the picture. This falls into the specific anime genre "shonen". 

Was shonen popular at the time Hasha was released?  Why bother singling out the "shonen" genre?

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And when they do, it's the same pixelated fellatio everyone complains about about with FE12,13, and 14.

. . .and had I been more awake when I first read your topic, I would've closed it upon reading this.

You don't post things like this to analyze something.  You post things like this to start shit.

Your actions (what you've posted as an "analysis") don't match your claim that you'd shit on Fire Emblem and anime outright if that was your goal.  And I value actions a lot more highly than words.

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If you read thoroughly, not once did I say I took an analytical look at anything. The precursor to the rundown was "I thought over all the games a bit". For further clarification, I like reading what other people have to say, putting their thoughts and mine parallel and seeing what happens. That's the "analytical look" I was referring to.  I've read and appreciated several posts to this topic and they've given me exactly what I was looking for. Slumber in particular. And I have to say I was feeling pretty good until you came at me with this crap again. Stop accusing me of doing something I'm not. 

Here's what the very first sentence of your opening post says:

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Yes, it's another one of these, but I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

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In regards to Marth not wearing pants, history isn't my forte but, the dress style of all the characters screams Greco-Roman clothing to me, particularly Marth's. I also heard somewhere that he was named after Mars, the Roman god of war. Maybe @Interdimensional Observer could tell us. If you read everything you'd see me say that my pop culture knowledge is limited, so if you can point me to some popular anime featuring that at the time, I'm waiting. I don't think the dress code was at all implemented with same intention as Fates.  That is, blatant, sex-sells fanservice.

"Marth Sans Pants" means FE1, no more, no less.  And you're the one posting these thoughts, so do your own research for the topic.

Here's a hint: Saint Seiya.

If you hate the new direction FE is taking, that's your right.  If you think modern anime tropes/genres are the worst, that's your right, too.  Go ahead and start a blog, and complain there to your heart's content (hell, you can link it in your sig, as long as you don't post porn/ROMs in said blog).  I have my issues with where FE (and others) are headed.  But in the end, that direction is something that neither of us can change.  We can deal with it and play the newer FE titles anyway, find another game/series that doesn't have this nonsense, or stick to whichever games in the series we're okay with.

But making a topic that singles out tropes as bad because it's anime?  Not cool at all.  I've told others in the past "just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD".  If your hatred for anime/modern FE wasn't so blatant, this could've been a really cool objective piece.

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