New Special Heroes Incoming: Bridal Bloom (May 21 ~): Bride Sanaki, Tharja, and Ninian (Groom Marth as TT reward)

[omegaxis1]

4 minutes ago, silveraura25 said:

Looks like dress-up to me, but wait for the quotes to be datamined

Even then, could she not have been dressed up to look like a Flower Girl?

Very distinct difference between how Tiki looks like a Flower Girl, and Sanaki looking like an actual bride. 

[Chrom-ulent]

Really not feeling this banner unless this Tharja sets the standard for offensive red mages the same way her winter counterpart did for defensive red mages.

If NY!Azura isn't on the legendary, I'm going to try for Ninian here.

[redlight]

3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Even then, could she not have been dressed up to look like a Flower Girl?

Very distinct difference between how Tiki looks like a Flower Girl, and Sanaki looking like an actual bride. 

She isn't sexualized in her damaged artwork at all even. Seems to me they thought it'd be adorable if a little kid tried to dress-up as a bride. Took me too long to realize this even after looking at the leaked artwork. You should've seen some of my rants. I looked like a sad excuse of a human being.

[Michelaar]

She looks so adorable in that dress, oh my goodness.

[Diovani Bressan]

Ninian: she looks to be a good unit. A dancer is always welcomed and her her tome works pretty well with Fortify Fliers.

Sanaki: ...why? I didn't like the choice, but whatever! Def/Res Link 3 is a great skill, but as a B-skill? I am not sure what to feel about it. And her tome is great! Sadly, is a exclusive tome.

Tharja: The 3rd version of her, which is a red tome user again. Oh well... Her exclusive tome works pretty well with Atk/Spd Bond, and Spd Feint is really good in a weird way.

Marth: YAY! I AM SO HAPPY! ...That's all.

Honestly... I will keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner and skip this banner. They are good unit, don't get me wrong, but this banner is not something I need right now. I am a little sad because we don't have a new Staff user, or even Anna! Depending how lucky I get in the Legendary banner, Groom Marth will be the only one I will get this time. I hope he is a good unit...

Edited May 18, 2018 by Diovani Bressan

[immatx]

3 hours ago, mewyeon said:

3) Does anyone know why Ninian and Sanaki were picked as the other bride units? Maybe I'm just not aware of how popular they are in the fandom or something.

Not sure about Sanaki but Ninian is very popular. Idk how many of the newer fans have played FE7 so perhaps she isn't talked about that much compared to say Tharja.

2 hours ago, XRay said:

Yes, there is a large amount of people fine with it, but there is also a much, much larger number of people against it, or else there would not have been a movement to slowly crackdown on child marriages.

In an older article that your article linked to, child marriages are most common in closed communities with little access to the outside world with little opposition to challenge its ideals and values. As those small communities open up and its members given an education and choice, their members would usually choose what is ethically right, although that may take some time. Mormons gradually gave up on polygamy as they opened up.

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One of the striking aspects of Tahirih's further research, including a 2011 study on forced marriage in the U.S., is that there is no single profile of the girls and women involved. They came from families of Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths, from immigrant families from many countries and from non-immigrant communities, too. If there is a common denominator, it's this, says Smoot: "Whenever you have a community that is closed, where it's difficult to reach outside it, where there are great stakes to oppose community norms, that contributes to child marriage happening."

 

What's ethically wrong with polygamy? If its between of age consenting parties then I don't see anything wrong with it.

[omegaxis1]

24 minutes ago, silveraura25 said:

She isn't sexualized in her damaged artwork at all even. Seems to me they thought it'd be adorable if a little kid tried to dress-up as a bride. Took me too long to realize this even after looking at the leaked artwork. You should've seen some of my rants. I looked like a sad excuse of a human being.

Least that's good. But even then, it seems a bit too excessive to have her be there. Especially since Sanaki never once showed any form of interest in romance.

[BrightBow]

Bride Sanaki, eh? Can't say I'm surprised but I think I'm going to throw up anyway.

 

Now that that's out, here is the thing: Bride Sanaki does not exist in a vacuum. This is the post Awakening world, in which you were able to literally impregnate several heavily sexualized kids already. So IS has proven very firmly that they will happily pander to pedophiles in exchange for that sweet, sweet cash. If it wasn't for that, I may even consider something like Nowi's halloween outfit to be perfectly cute and innocent. But since context is a thing, it's absurd to give them the benefit of the doubt on the matter.

Edited May 18, 2018 by BrightBow

[omegaxis1]

Just now, BrightBow said:

Bride Sanaki, eh? Can't say I'm surprised but I think I'm going to throw up anyway.

Now that that's out, here is the thing: Bride Sanaki does not exist in a vacuum. This is the post Awakening world, where you were able to literally impregnate several heavily sexualized kids already. So IS has proven very firmly that they will happily pander to pedophiles in exchange for that sweet, sweet cash. If it wasn't for that, I may actually consider Nowi's halloween outfit to be perfectly cute and innocent. But since context is a thing, it's absurd to give them the benefit of the doubt on this matter.

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There are various theories and reasoning towards why Nowi dresses like she does, the main reasoning being that her life made her get used to dressing up as such from her life since she has been kidnapped several times and likely sold into slavery. If she grew up in an environment where those kinds of clothes are what she's used to, she won't exactly feel comfortable in any other kinds of outfits.

But in regards to Nowi, at least she's over a thousand years old, whereas Sanaki is actually underage, so that was is a big issue.

[The_antithesis]

With the Bride Sanaki controversy, we now have enough outrages for an all-salt voting gauntlet!

Reinhardt - Arena oppressor.

Ayra - No money for you, I now use the Reinhardt.

WE!Tharja - This is armour, we swear!

L!Lyn - 5 alts, one character. RIP Mark.

Camilla - I beat Lyn in a voting gauntlet!

L!Ike - But I wanted a different free unit.

Kinshinoka - "New heroes" does not mean Alts!

And now, B!Sanaki - Dress up is messed up now.

[Humanoid]

Let's dispel this fiction that IS doesn't know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing. There is a clear target audience, but the trick is to only go just far enough to retain plausible deniability.

[Etrurian emperor]

Come to think of it, we know child marriage actually happen in Begnion. Astrid wasn't that young in POR but still underage when her folks wanted to marry her off the Lekain. I'm pretty sure such implications don't make bridal Sanaki any less awkward 

Does anyone else think we're getting to much Tharja's? There's regular Tharja, reindeer Tharja, clone Tharja and now bridal Tharja. That's four Tharja's.  

[BrightBow]

1 minute ago, omegaxis1 said:

There are various theories and reasoning towards why Nowi dresses like she does, the main reasoning being that her life made her get used to dressing up as such from her life since she has been kidnapped several times and likely sold into slavery. If she grew up in an environment where those kinds of clothes are what she's used to, she won't exactly feel comfortable in any other kinds of outfits.

But in regards to Nowi, at least she's over a thousand years old, whereas Sanaki is actually underage, so that was is a big issue.

Not sure why theories for in-universe reasons for a sexualized child's presentation are in any way relevant in the context of a developer deciding to sexualize a child character. Same thing with a child character supposedly being 1000 years old.

Here is my theory: IS recognized that there is a ton of Tiki porn out there. They wanted to capitalize on that market, so they created a clone of Tiki for their new game and sexualized the crap out of her. Then they stated that she was totally 1000 years old in a embarissing attempt to deflect accusations of pedophile pandering, similar how they would later allow Corrin to marry the Hoshido siblings by revealing in the last minute that they are not actually related.

[omegaxis1]

1 minute ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Does anyone else think we're getting to much Tharja's? There's regular Tharja, reindeer Tharja, clone Tharja and now bridal Tharja. That's four Tharja's.  

Clone Tharja? There are only 3 Tharajs in total with this one. And all are red magic users.

[Etrurian emperor]

Just now, omegaxis1 said:

Clone Tharja? There are only 3 Tharajs in total with this one. And all are red magic users.

Rhajat. Pretty much Tharja in all but name. 

[redlight]

1 minute ago, omegaxis1 said:

Clone Tharja? There are only 3 Tharajs in total with this one. And all are red magic users.

He's referring to Rhajat

[omegaxis1]

Just now, Etrurian emperor said:

Rhajat. Pretty much Tharja in all but name. 

 

Just now, silveraura25 said:

He's referring to Rhajat

Ah. Right. I actually forgot about her. XD

2 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

Here is my theory: IS recognized that there is a ton of Tiki porn out there. They wanted to capitalize on that market, so they created a clone of Tiki for their new game and sexualized the crap out of her. Then they stated that she was totally 1000 years old in a embarissing attempt to deflect accusations of pedophile pandering, similar how they would later allow Corrin to marry the Hoshido siblings by revealing in the last minute that they are not actually related.

That's the practical reason, but the case is that calling them pedophiles like that is a bit rude. 

[Zelgius]

I was actually thinking it would be nice to have a green Begnion unit but I'm really not a fan of this Sanaki. I hope Marth has some good skills.

[Lightchao42]

Ignoring the fact that Sanaki is 10/13 for a second, I wonder why she of all Tellius characters is on a bride banner of all things. I mean, she's well liked and all but she never seemed particularly popular to me. Maybe one of the developers is fond of her or something? Bride Elincia would make more sense.

At least we have Ninian who actually fits the theme very well, and I'll probably go for her even though I still have nightmares about the first time I tried to summon her. I must have all the blue haired dancers!

I don't think we needed a third Tharja, but I was fine with a third Azura so I can't complain lest I become a hypocrite.

Now that Groom Marth exists, I feel sad that I never summoned Bride Caeda for him...

[BrightBow]

6 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

That's the practical reason, but the case is that calling them pedophiles like that is a bit rude. 

As long as it's not wrong, I don't care. I have nothing but contempt for the attempts to sanitize the concept of pedophilia with the term "loli", so I'm going to call a duck a duck.

Edited May 18, 2018 by BrightBow

[omegaxis1]

Just now, BrightBow said:

As long as it's not wrong, I don't care. I have nothing but contempt for the sanitization of the concept of pedophilia with the term "loli", so I'm going to call a duck a duck.

Eh, fair enough. 

4 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said:

Ignoring the fact that Sanaki is 10/13 for a second, I wonder why she of all Tellius characters is on a bride banner of all things. I mean, she's well liked and all but she never seemed particularly popular to me. Maybe one of the developers is fond of her or something? Bride Elincia would make more sense.

 

I don't get it either, especially since she of all people never had any romantic interest in anyone, nor did she ever have any involvement with marriages. 

4 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said:

Now that Groom Marth exists, I feel sad that I never summoned Bride Caeda for him...

Marth is an ax cav and Caeda is a blue tome. So we oughta get those two in a team sooner or later. 

[redlight]

@BrightBow I shared the link to all the artwork on page 9 of this topic right at the top. There wasn't any intent of her being sexualized as not even the damaged artwork is sexualized. People (including me at first) just made assumptions her being intended for lolicon pandering. She's just playing dress-up. If you see a kid dressed like a bride IRL you'd assume they're just playing dress-up. Alts are also non-canon and playful

Edited May 18, 2018 by silveraura25

[mcsilas]

3 minutes ago, Lightchao42 said:

Ignoring the fact that Sanaki is 10/13 for a second, I wonder why she of all Tellius characters is on a bride banner of all things. I mean, she's well liked and all but she never seemed particularly popular to me. Maybe one of the developers is fond of her or something? Bride Elincia would make more sense.

At least we have Ninian who actually fits the theme very well, and I'll probably go for her even though I still have nightmares about the first time I tried to summon her. I must have all the blue haired dancers!

i mean, Sanaki was the first RD unit to be in- months before Micaiah actually showed up.

Come to think of it, Sanaki and Ninian were one of the first few units to be added so I guess it was long enough that they thought it would be nice to give an alt?

[redlight]

Huh. I'm now seeing translation of Sanaki's title being "apostle in bridal attire". This the same for everyone else?

[BrightBow]

9 minutes ago, silveraura25 said:

@BrightBow I shared the link to all the artwork on page 9 of this topic right at the top. There wasn't any intent of her being sexualized as not even the damaged artwork is sexualized. People (including me at first) just made assumptions her being intended for lolicon pandering. She's just playing dress-up. If you see a kid dressed like a bride IRL you'd assume they're just playing dress-up. Alts are also non-canon and playful

I already adressed the importance of the issue of context on my very first post in this topic just above:

"Bride Sanaki does not exist in a vacuum. This is the post Awakening world, in which you were able to literally impregnate several heavily sexualized kids already. So IS has proven very firmly that they will happily pander to pedophiles in exchange for that sweet, sweet cash. If it wasn't for that, I may even consider something like Nowi's halloween outfit to be perfectly cute and innocent. But since context is a thing, it's absurd to give them the benefit of the doubt on the matter."

 

So yeah, I still very much see "intent" on offering Sanaki to the same pedophiles that IS has been heavily trying to appeal to in the last few years.

Edited May 18, 2018 by BrightBow