Classes You Know About, Expect to See, or Want to See

[LSM]

9 hours ago, Rakath said:

In order to make each weapon type have a 'final form' it'd require a huge endgame class list (or a lot of specialized infantry classes with a generic cavalry and flyer list), but the game systems make that unneeded.

For me it's not just the Axe, it's the whole traditional Axe Fighter-to-Beserker line's "high HP, high Strength" kind of kit. Marshalls, Weaponsmasters, Whispers, and Marksman don't really provide that type of growth, or potential class skills (like boosting Crit).

If you want to keep a balance... maybe Beserkers as unisex, and Dark Fliers replaced by a unisex Malig Knight?

[Rakath]

@LSM - Possible. I was going off what the games (past and present) gave me to interpret. The classes that are the most gender restrictive are cavalry healer, pegasus unit, and berserker. Having Hero be gender locked made me think where Hero goes (yes, leaping from Hero "promotes" to Berserker is a stretch, but not a big one).

There are a lot of variables in play at the moment as to what is, or isn't a class. And the methodology of why, I explained which methodology I liked and followed it. But it's possible that the final class promotions are off of a different criteria, there isn't enough information to really figure out.

My current hope is we're wrong about the total count of Expert classes and there are three rows (putting it at 13-18 instead of 7-12).

[vanguard333]

On 6/27/2019 at 10:44 AM, Jakalak said:

I wonder if they really plan to have only Peg knights as female exclusive, when males get 3 exclusive class lines.

It’s kinda sad that the only brand new class we have seen so far is male locked. While it won’t hurt my enjoyment of the game since I’ll be playing male, it just seems strange to me that they would do that especially in the case of the hero class.

Yeah; it is strange. I actually would have liked if classes remained entirely gender-neutral. 

[Jayvee94]

In Valentia, it's Mercenary -> Myrmidon.

In Fodlan, it's "roughly" Myrmidon -> Mercenary.

 

[Azz]

So the site updated with all the advanced classes and it seems that warlock is gender neutral but males have dark bishop (aka sorcerer) while females have bishop

Edited July 4, 2019 by Azz

[HappyHawlucha.]

3 minutes ago, Azz said:

So the site updated with all the advanced classes and it seems that warlock is gender neutral but males have dark bishop (aka sorcerer) while females have bishop

I don't think Bishop is female exclusive meanwhile Dark Bishop will probably be as it doesn't say it's female exclusive but says it requires mastery of the Dark Mage class so maybe we'll get like one female dark mage that can do it? Idk.

[Azz]

3 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said:

I don't think Bishop is female exclusive meanwhile Dark Bishop will probably be as it doesn't say it's female exclusive but says it requires mastery of the Dark Mage class so maybe we'll get like one female dark mage that can do it? Idk.

If you look at the class options you can see males have sorc and no bishop whole it’s the opposite for females

I’m on mobile rn and I can’t post oics so here’s the article with the class options

Boop

[HappyHawlucha.]

1 minute ago, Azz said:

If you look at the class options you can see males have sorc and no bishop whole it’s the opposite for females

I’m on mobile rn and I can’t post oics so here’s the article with the class options

Boop

I get it; it's the way that the website words it though; you are only allowed access to the Dark Bishop class if you've mastered Dark Mage; which makes it seem as though the Dark Bishop class just straight up won't appear on the certification menu if you've not mastered Dark Mage on that specific character. So both Warlock and Bishop are unlocked and visible for every character but only those who have mastered Dark Mage will have Dark Bishop visible on the certification tree. 

[Azz]

9 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said:

I get it; it's the way that the website words it though; you are only allowed access to the Dark Bishop class if you've mastered Dark Mage; which makes it seem as though the Dark Bishop class just straight up won't appear on the certification menu if you've not mastered Dark Mage on that specific character. So both Warlock and Bishop are unlocked and visible for every character but only those who have mastered Dark Mage will have Dark Bishop visible on the certification tree. 

Oh you’re right I didn’t see that at first (again I’m on mobile and it doesn’t auto translate). Idk then, it’s weird. It’s also frustrating if that’s essentially another class locked to males tbh 

[LSM]

It's nice to see Ignatz modelling the Dark Bishop class. I was hoping he'd have a talent in Reason.

[Marros]

Hmm, wyvern riders need axes. Hopefully Claude is Neutral isn't weak them then. (I'd bet on him being neutral given the pattern of the other Lords

 

Also of note is Advanced Classes requiring either an A in one skill or a B in two.

 

Now if I'm doing my Math right based on the 'Skill Levels' page on the main site, you should be able to get any character to B-rank in any two skills within the academy phase, regardless of strengths, on weekly instruction alone.

 

Following this chart of total Weapon xp required to get to the level

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Rank	Total
E	0
E+	40
D	100
D+	180
C	300
C+	460
B	680
B+	960
A	1320

Assuming you pick two skills and stick to them, then your weapon xp progression should look something like this:

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Week	Weakness	Neutral	Strength E	Strength E+	Strength D
0	0	0	0	40	100
1	24	28	32	72	132
2	48	56	64	104	164
3	72	84	96	136	196
4	96	112	128	168	228
5	120	140	160	200	260
6	144	168	192	232	292
7	168	196	224	264	324
8	192	224	256	296	356
9	216	252	288	328	388
10	240	280	320	360	420
11	264	308	352	392	452
12	288	336	384	424	484
13	312	364	416	456	516
14	336	392	448	488	548
15	360	420	480	520	580
16	384	448	512	552	612
17	408	476	544	584	644
18	432	504	576	616	676
19	456	532	608	648	708
20	480	560	640	680	740
21	504	588	672	712	772
22	528	616	704	744	804
23	552	644	736	776	836
24	576	672	768	808	868
25	600	700	800	840	900
26	624	728	832	872	932
27	648	756	864	904	964
28	672	784	896	936	996
29	696	812	928	968	1028
30	720	840	960	1000	1060
31	744	868	992	1032	1092
32	768	896	1024	1064	1124
33	792	924	1056	1096	1156
34	816	952	1088	1128	1188
35	840	980	1120	1160	1220
36	864	1008	1152	1192	1252

If you choose only one focus and the 50% bonus it provides, it's more like this:

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Week	Weakness	Neutral	Strength E	Strength E+	Strength D
0	0	0	0	40	100
1	36	42	48	88	148
2	72	84	96	136	196
3	108	126	144	184	244
4	144	168	192	232	292
5	180	210	240	280	340
6	216	252	288	328	388
7	252	294	336	376	436
8	288	336	384	424	484
9	324	378	432	472	532
10	360	420	480	520	580
11	396	462	528	568	628
12	432	504	576	616	676
13	468	546	624	664	724
14	504	588	672	712	772
15	540	630	720	760	820
16	576	672	768	808	868
17	612	714	816	856	916
18	648	756	864	904	964
19	684	798	912	952	1012
20	720	840	960	1000	1060
21	756	882	1008	1048	1108
22	792	924	1056	1096	1156
23	828	966	1104	1144	1204
24	864	1008	1152	1192	1252
25	900	1050	1200	1240	1300
26	936	1092	1248	1288	1348
27	972	1134	1296	1336	1396
28	1008	1176	1344	1384	1444
29	1044	1218	1392	1432	1492
30	1080	1260	1440	1480	1540
31	1116	1302	1488	1528	1588
32	1152	1344	1536	1576	1636
33	1188	1386	1584	1624	1684
34	1224	1428	1632	1672	1732
35	1260	1470	1680	1720	1780
36	1296	1512	1728	1768	1828

 

It's possible strengths might be into A+ rank here, but I'm just going off what we know so far.

Of course, the chart going to week 36 assumes we get a full 12 months with 3 weeks of instruction each. Given we start in the 'April' and Paralogues seem to expire in 'February' there's a real possibility we get less time to instruct (My bet is on ~30).

 

Also, this is just weekly instruction, between Tutoring, Seminars, Group Tasks, and actually fighting, you should be well on your way to qualifying anyone for any advanced class of your choice before the war phase even starts.

[Jayvee94]

I think we gonna need a summary on how fast each student is gonna qualify each class.

[timon]

Interesting that there are 3 different magic classes which at the end of the day are all just mages, I hope they can characterize them enough.

Wyvern asking for axes means that unless you go spear+axe+flying that's not the supposed "logical" continuation of Pegasus, so I guess we'll get flying horse back next tier.

Assassin holds sword the awkward way, I'm sad, Fortress looks a bit less dumb than past Armoured classes, but it's still dumb. Berserker has a big-ass spike on the shoulder, so I guess that's Alois' base class then.

Also curious to see what they do with colour schemes, Sylvain is black as a paladin, but will every character have their own scheme in their supposed "standard" classes? Would be a way to tell "canon" classes.

btw that's the page I'm talking about https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/anvya/pc/class/details.html

[𝐅𝐞𝐧𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐥]

 

 

...i knew i had already seen that outfit before.

i guess that's a nice reference to Genealogy.

[BastienSoul]

I wonder why they're treating the Dark Mage line so differently than other classes. My main worry about it is that the Warlock Abilities won't effect Dark Magic, which would be bad for Lysithea.

[Azz]

A bit dissapointed Dark Bishop is yet another male only class while Bishop is neutral. I feel like if they made Bishop female only it would be a bit more fair, but whatever.

[Rakath]

So with the full set of Advanced Classes visible I have a few more... notes. Edging toward theory but without enough evidence for me to call them theory per say.

The Difference between Tier 3 and Tier 4 will be Minimal - So some classes seem to go Tier 1 > Tier 3 (in natural progressions like Myrm and Swordmaster), and others go 2 > 3 (Mercenary to Hero), and I figure 2 to 4 (Peg > Falco). That last one is unproven but a viable theory. I don't think there will be that many Tier 3 > 4 except for maybe Berserkers and Dragonriders. With mostly the Tier 4s being heavily specialized or in some way super busted (like Mounted Mages).

Berserker is now Gauntlets - So Grappler and Pugilist both read like Berserker on a style/aesthetic level. The 'no shirt big weapon' thing. And the stat-line on Grappler is close enough to (not enough HP/Strength but has the Dex/Spd/Move) where I'd expect that if Berserker was an Advanced class, it'd fit for both a natural progression for Hero and Grappler. While keeping Berserker a gender protected class (as that is the one of two heavily protected classes).

Dark Bishop makes me more sure of Valkyrie - The balance there seems pretty clear, a specialized magic class for boys and a specialized magic class for girls. The trade being that Valkyrie provides cavalry movement while Dark Mage/Bishop has some better stat growths and earlier access. A lack of Troubador to get there feels more about the fact that Troubadors having access to a weapon would be super broken without nuking their stat bar from high orbit. The one weakness of Troubadors in past games is they die really fast to, well, everything. But having healing magics, a weapon, and possibly good stats/gear would just be horrifyingly good right?

Hero being gender-locked makes No Sense - So Peg Knight and Pirate (inc promotes) being gender locked are more about aesthetic natures than it is a specific gameplay need. Guys built more or less like slabs of beef without shirts, and pretty lithe ladies riding on magical horses with wings, that sort of thing. The Dark Mage split feels weird, but there are a few classes that can show up later to even this out (Dark Flyer or Valkyrie). This, however, makes no sense. Maybe it has to do with another class existing that's F-locked in Tier 4? But with what we know now I have no idea why this is a thing.

[Marros]

What annoys me is there's no Advanced class for females that specializes in Brawling. Hell, the only girl we've seen with a confirmed Strength in it is female Byleth. Catherine does teach Brawling for a Seminar though, so I'm holding out for her and at least one student (Looking at you Leonie.)

Edited July 5, 2019 by Marros

[Jayvee94]

It is still possible that some advanced classes will have a boost in brawling despite not required to class change into it.

[Rakath]

22 minutes ago, Marros said:

What annoys me is there's no Advanced class for females that specializes in Brawling. Hell, the only girl we've seen with a confirmed Strength in it is female Byleth. Catherine does teach Brawling for a Seminar though, so I'm holding out for her and at least one student (Looking at you Leonie.)

13 minutes ago, Jayvee94 said:

It is still possible that some advanced classes will have a boost in brawling despite not required to class change into it.

Given that Brigand is Axe/Fighting but only requires a proficiency in axes, it's likely Warrior is the same. It's also possible Swordmasters are Sword/Fighting (as that's the most reasonable and least silly secondary weapon for a Swordmaster to use). Sniper is in much the same space (although they could double up on Bow/Sword the way Archers do).

[Lynsanity]

6 hours ago, Rakath said:

Dark Bishop makes me more sure of Valkyrie - The balance there seems pretty clear, a specialized magic class for boys and a specialized magic class for girls. The trade being that Valkyrie provides cavalry movement while Dark Mage/Bishop has some better stat growths and earlier access. A lack of Troubador to get there feels more about the fact that Troubadors having access to a weapon would be super broken without nuking their stat bar from high orbit. The one weakness of Troubadors in past games is they die really fast to, well, everything. But having healing magics, a weapon, and possibly good stats/gear would just be horrifyingly good right?

This is a good point, although for all we know the attack stat of magic-enabled classes is nuked from high orbit in this game anyway.

The other things that would make it OP is white magic users having access to black magic, and mounted units having kanto. Put those together and a troubadour could basically be a kantoing valkyrie and bow knight combined.

[Mysterique Sign]

Since Pegasus Knights focus on Lances and have high Res, but Wyvern Riders focus on Axes an and have low Res I'm guessing that Wyvern Riders aren't supposed to be the Pegasus Knight progression. Also, since Pegasus Knight is grouped with the magic classes I wouldn't be surprises if Falcon Knights could use Faith (and Reason)

[Jayvee94]

5 minutes ago, Mysterique Sign said:

Since Pegasus Knights focus on Lances and have high Res, but Wyvern Riders focus on Axes an and have low Res I'm guessing that Wyvern Riders aren't supposed to be the Pegasus Knight progression. Also, since Pegasus Knight is grouped with the magic classes I wouldn't be surprises if Falcon Knights could use Faith (and Reason)

It's a good thing that one retains the high resistance when going from Pegasus to Wyvern.

[SilverArcher]

46 minutes ago, HappyHawlucha. said:

Sooo Ingrid appears to have a 3rd class skill from Pegasus Knight - so maybe we do get a new class skill by mastering a class?

Someone pointed out that Ingrid has what appears to be a new class skill.  If that is the case I going to guess it maybe lanceflare.

 

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The Difference between Tier 3 and Tier 4 will be Minimal - So some classes seem to go Tier 1 > Tier 3 (in natural progressions like Myrm and Swordmaster), and others go 2 > 3 (Mercenary to Hero), and I figure 2 to 4 (Peg > Falco). That last one is unproven but a viable theory. I don't think there will be that many Tier 3 > 4 except for maybe Berserkers and Dragonriders. With mostly the Tier 4s being heavily specialized or in some way super busted (like Mounted Mages).

I also feel that the 3rd and 4th tier won't be all that different especially when it comes to mounted units. If that new skill really is lance that may help the pegusus keep up with 3rd tier class especially since their is no direct promotion. To support this theory some units all recommends an A rank in weapons to promote while others a B rank in a weapon to promote. Even the A rank class specialize in a single weapon it is still a high requirement and quite a jump from the previous tier that need C rank. Also those class are described as a master of their trade. I think the class master skills will be skills that will at least be useful enough to keep using even if their is a higher tier available. 

[Cysx]

2 hours ago, SilverArcher said:

Someone pointed out that Ingrid has what appears to be a new class skill.  If that is the case I going to guess it maybe lanceflare.

I was unwilling to believe it but, it's true that she deals a lot of damage.