Training Mafia 3.0: Advanced - GAMEOVER

[Junk]

I don't think fable encouraging the lynch on d1 means too much because from what I remember he only started pushing it hardcore end of deadline when evan was veeery unlikely to get lynched. Nadroj locking himself onto evan so early seems like it's very unlikely to be bussing imo since he could have easily just switched back to bart The point of the question is from my POV I know i'm town, I'll just assume you're town RAD, and thus the last two scum have to be between mack/zen/fable/nadroj and while I can see mack being scum, the other three pushed evan pretty hard but one of them has to be scum and so i'm trying to figure out why scum would push their own buddy so hard when from what i'm seeing it feels like they didn't need to?

As for my reads, The first ones were evan and athena. Evan's rvs comment struck me as weird at first which is why I asked why he was worried about reads on page 2. Later I realized the comment felt fake because he never placed a rvs vote and worrying about reads on page 2 just came off as fake to me. I scumread athena initially because his vote on nadroj came off as hypocritical because his response to nadroj was so minimal so it came off as hypocrtical to say nadroj dropped the convo when athena didn't give much for nadroj to respond to. I switched to evan to pressure him because his posts on page 5 didn't make any sense and he misrepped my argument and I wanted answers. I then had somewhat of a read on satsuma because they weren't showing much commitment and it came off to me like they were trying to set up multiple voting options. This was further worsened by his athena vote because it felt like he only voted him because people were calling out on satsuma not being committal. Athena became worse for a bit due to him saying that he never scumread nadroj yet he seemed to indicate that he did although he later remedied it with his answer. By deadline Evan became a lot worse to me because his new content misrepped what nadraj did, the rapier case didn't make sense and felt thrown out there, and his satsuma quip wasn't good either. I also felt like his d1 fable case was a bit reachy but this was more subjective so I didn't weigh it as much. 

 

Okay onto D2. Evan's responses to me on d1 questions weren't very good for reasons I explained (check page 29). Athena was worsened because of their quip on zeo like I explained in the same post. I reallly wanted to lynch bart over the other reads though because I felt my theory about the scumteam was a good one. Sadly it turned out to be utter shit. That's pretty much it. 

[Mackc2]

I'm just going to claim, I am town side roleblocker my block list is Evan, Bart and Junk in that order

[Junk]

why didn't you block bart n1? on d2 he seemed to be your biggest read?

[Junk]

oh wait you're town

[Junk]

no way godfather would claim roleblocker

[Fable]

On 6/26/2018 at 11:59 AM, Iris said:

Day 3: Automated Votals from #750 to #924

Bartozio (5): athena_57, Junk, Mackc2, RADicate, Zeonth
RADicate (3): Bartozio, Fable, XnadrojX

Vote history:

 

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athena_57 (1): Bartozio

Bartozio (1): RADicate

Fable (2): Bartozio -> RADicate

Junk (1): Bartozio

Mackc2 (1): Bartozio

RADicate (1): Bartozio

XnadrojX (1): RADicate

 

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On 6/23/2018 at 12:23 PM, Iris said:

Day 2: Automated Votals from #425 to #755

Bartozio (2): Junk, Mackc2
EvanManManMan (5): Fable, XnadrojX, Zeonth, athena_57, Fenrir Aesir
Zeonth (2): Makaze, Bartozio
Fable (1): EvanManManMan
Not voting (1): RADicate

Phase ends in 0h6m. Hammer at 8.

Vote history:

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athena_57 (2): Zeonth -> EvanManManMan

Bartozio (2): Fable -> Zeonth

EvanManManMan (1): Fable

Fable (1): EvanManManMan

Fenrir Aesir (2): Zeonth -> EvanManManMan

Junk (1): Bartozio

Mackc2 (1): Bartozio

Makaze (3): Zeonth -> EvanManManMan -> Zeonth

XnadrojX (2): Bartozio -> EvanManManMan

Zeonth (1): EvanManManMan

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On 6/20/2018 at 6:59 PM, Iris said:

Phase End.

End of Day 1 Votals

SatsumaFSoysoy (6): Junk, Mackc2, athena_57, Makaze, Bartozio, Fenrir Aesir
athena_57 (2): SatsumaFSoysoy, Rapier
EvanManManMan (1): Fable
Fable (1): EvanManManMan
Bartozio (1): XnadrojX
Makaze (1): Zeonth
Not voting (1): RADicate

I'm going to stare at this until something happens. 

[Fable]

Unless Zeo is a wolf we've wagoned one wolf literally all game.

Jesus Christ. 

[Fable]

Only things I've figured out is we suck and Evan got bused for reasons I can't figure out. 

Like look at d2 FMPOV at least one of bomb moss/Zeo has to be a wolf which makes the pivot off zeo onto evan super interesting. In what world does that pivot make sense where Zeo is a villager? 

Like if it's Junk/BM why didn't bomb moss vote Bart? 

[Zeonth]

6 hours ago, RADicate said:

Well its xylo now. Hardclaiming Alignment Cop. Flavor being China hacking. Only living inspect was mackc last night whom i got as town. Athena was my n1 inspect and makaze was my m2.

So, you get Athena N1. I need to compare your reads D1 and D2. You did hardcall Athena town D3, but he died right after that, and idt you posted much D2. If your Athena town inspect N1 doesn't show in your reads D2, you understand why your claim becomes hard to believe?

41 minutes ago, Junk said:

no way godfather would claim roleblocker

Why not?


Going to go over everyone again and re-evaluate reads since my biggest scum is now dead... as town. 

Current suspects: Junk/Fable/Mack

[RADicate]

Just now, Zeonth said:

So, you get Athena N1. I need to compare your reads D1 and D2. You did hardcall Athena town D3, but he died right after that, and idt you posted much D2. If your Athena town inspect N1 doesn't show in your reads D2, you understand why your claim becomes hard to believe?

Why not?


Going to go over everyone again and re-evaluate reads since my biggest scum is now dead... as town. 

Current suspects: Junk/Fable/Mack

I called athena town iirc my first post d2; and ignored fable's "why tho" quoting that post given i didnt have a valid reasoning. By nature of a readslist I had to create that reasoning d3; hence that reasoning echoing the reason of a couple other players. Athena themself acknowledged my echo. But yes if i said nothing d2 about the read this would get harder. 

[RADicate]

6 minutes ago, Zeonth said:

Why not?

+1 here

[Mackc2]

I think Jordan isn't scum, their votes just generally don't make sense if you look at it from scumside, specifically d2 why the hell would you swap from an easy to mislynch town(Bart) to start a wagon on your scum buddy. 
Zeonth hopping aboard the wagon doesn't offer the same clearance though because of a difference of circumstances, seeing as he had a wagon forming on himself so joining a wagon that was starting on a scumbuddy and getting towncleared from their death as an act of self preservation seems possible but it leaves the question, why not just vote Bartozio instead?
Junk's association doesn't look nearly as pretty as it did yesterday and I don't trust myself to be able to get a right read on tone alone anymore basically they started the Satsuma wagon and also tried to start Bart's wagon both days. 
Rad is just what? Why did Rad never vote I can't get anything from that and its annoying, on their claim though if it is a fake claim then it is faked with the intent of getting towncred for my perspective, which is sort of a why bother why would scum!Rad raise that when I am probably the easiest lynch today, so I suppose I have to assume they are telling the truth. 
Fable just sort of sat one Evan forever, I'm not sure what I can make of that, if they are scum they could have been hardbussing Evan, problem there is who would a Fable scumbuddy be? Zeonth said an Evan lynch could clear fable, could be a reason for scum cutting Evan loose for towncred while also having reasons not to scumread eachother. 
 

[Zeonth]

Is there anyone else who doubts Rad's claim and thinks he could be scum trying to clear scumbuddy Mack?

[Mackc2]

3 minutes ago, Zeonth said:

Is there anyone else who doubts Rad's claim and thinks he could be scum trying to clear scumbuddy Mack?

Logically then if Rad was scum they would need to be scumbuddies with me, because why clear town!me when it is far easier to lynch as scum, or I suppose that I could be godfather and he could be town. Even if I was a scumbuddy though why would he go out of his way to clear me? If there actually is a town investigator he has screwn himself over and lost the game for scum cause he just gave himself and the buddy away, and if I where scum and I ended up getting lynched he has suddenly become the next lynch target, losing the game for scum. So why would he make that claim as scum rather than seeing the day through? 

[Junk]

okay so crackpot theory is that scum were going for the ultimate hard bus in regards to evan to perhaps gain the biggest towncred ever and win the game. It was part of the reason kirsche/kill was able to coast for a bit in sfmm5 and the only reason kill started to get suspected was because he stopped giving content and also because of the shinori vote late d2 and I remember scum sb winning a game and I won my training game with that strategy too so it's definitely possible.  I don't think it's zeoneth because the angle of "I would like to see them lynched before *lylo" doesn't seem hardbuss enough and I also feel like scum wouldn't need to super indepth on who is who based on the flip for a hardbuss.  I'm going to go with nadroj+fable because nadroj's lock in makes a lot more sense and fable pushed the lynch very hard d2. 

PEDIT: actually went and looked back and saw that fable voted evan as the first vote. Makaze voted evan as a second so still not too much pressure and he unvotes later anyway. This is when fable around. I think the general sentiment at the time was that bart was the scummiest and would probably get lynched so now would be a good time to distance oneself as scum if they wanted to. Nadroj comes in and votes evan. Still not too much pressure. Fable now seems to be gone. The sentiment seems to have switched from bart to zen but evan isn't too high up yet.  Athena and fenrir vote. Zeoneth also expresses his sentiment of wanting to lynch evan.  Now the pressure is hot and I feel like fable isn't in a position to switch. Going to have to rethink of my hardbuss theory because if !scum fable wanted to just distance why would !scum nadroj come in with a lock-in vote? At the very least I think I can see !scum fable being an actual thing though. Also even if fable wanted to lynch evan d1 he did it at a time when evan was very unlikely to be lynched and from a scum pov it works as distancing. Kind of hate how it comes down to things that COULD come from scum but that's the only way I can see this game. 

PEDIT 2:   Also feeling less and less on the hardbuss theory since a bart lynch would have been fine for nadroj. He had valid suspicions  so I don't think he would have been looked at very closely. Fable may have been looked at since he only started to really suspect bart d2 tho. The only person I'm somewhat sure about that could be a thing is scum fable :/. 

to those asking why godfather wouldn't claim roleblocker, mack doesn't know my role so it'd be extremely risky for him to claim roleblocker as a godfather. Also most people seem to consider him town so idk why he'd take that risk. 

 

So in summary out of the three members who could have potentially bussed evan fable seems to be the most likely. If you want to ask me who the second team member is I honestly have no clue but i'll try to reread it again but  don't think i'll get much.

##vote @Fable (this puts him at L-3 so be careful). 

If mack is town (which I think he is) he is our last hope if we mislynch today rip and if i'm wrong sorry guys. 

 

[Junk]

@Mackc2 did you read the thread before your claim just curious. 

[Mackc2]

1 minute ago, Junk said:

@Mackc2 did you read the thread before your claim just curious. 

I had just woke up and read halfway through the page and decided it was probably best to claim. In hindsight it was a bad idea because I threw away my option to catch you in a lie if you are scum. 

[Junk]

hmm okay was just trying to see if you may have been paranoid about being lynched and so claimed which would mean you didn't see rad's post which would partially throw out my theory on why I think you're town. 

[RADicate]

40 minutes ago, Zeonth said:

Is there anyone else who doubts Rad's claim and thinks he could be scum trying to clear scumbuddy Mack?

Mildly annoyed/pinged you ignored my response to you in order to push your theory. But im more than a bit biased here so imma set it aside and ask what you thought of my response if that is your current stance. 

[RADicate]

@Junk generally when making posts do you consistantly hit the view new replies button as it comes up; read the post and continue writing up your current post with the knew knowledge in mind; or do you finish the post you are working on before checking out the newest replies

[Junk]

uh kind of a mix I guess. On mobile I tend to just type up a post regardless of replies being added whereas on the  computer I'll generally look at the replies. 

[RADicate]

Thanks

[Fable]

1 hour ago, Zeonth said:

Is there anyone else who doubts Rad's claim and thinks he could be scum trying to clear scumbuddy Mack?

Not a road I want to go down.

Like if they're lying why arn't our actual PRs coming out right now and saying something? 

[Junk]

##unvote 

i have an idea. We no Lynch and hope that Mack is town and he attempts to role block someone to get a result. I feel like it's better than nothing. I hope he doesn't choose me because then we are back to square 1.

[Fable]

1 minute ago, Junk said:

##unvote 

i have an idea. We no Lynch and hope that Mack is town and he attempts to role block someone to get a result. I feel like it's better than nothing. I hope he doesn't choose me because then we are back to square 1.

1. This feels like punting.

2. A negative result doesn't even clear anyone, like if the wolves just WIFOM correctly that doesn't do anything.