Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 also both rain and all might can't be mayors anyway. one of them has to be nontown. I assume all might's killproof and lynchproof were separate actions? I can see him really eager to clear himself thinking lynchproof is an auto town role cuz he's never seen a scum lynchproof (I really don't think he's mafia but I still can't shake off itp vibes sorry man) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 @Rain Nijika WHY. AM. I. SCUM. ? Rain's logic does seem off. Particularly 3 hours ago, Rain Nijika said: With 3 mafia and 1 itp, a misslynch a night kill and a poison kill is enough to make it MyLo if I'm anti town because of my double vote. This means I'm basicly cleared with these numbers (that you are fully expecting, with good reason). The only reason I can be scum is if Nemu is lying about being poisoned, meaning you never lynch me before Nemu. Good enough? What if there's only one mafia left? Your defensive logic is incomplete and as previously mentioned you have yet to explain your read on me. I'd still really like to know more about what I missed (particularly who has claimed what role) but I'd feel comfortable lynching Rain based on what I've seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Also SF usually does role flips. IDK why Shinori isn't doing them in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 yeah sf usually does full pm flips, this game is an exception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Might Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 i just got home and im goong to sleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 thanks allmight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Nijika Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Cú Chulainn said: I don't understand either. it's another case of "my role is confirmable so therefore I'm clear" which three people have pulled this game now. is she saying she's clear because she's mayor? what is up with allmight's role then? I'm not saying I'm confirmed town just because I'm confirmed mayor... Assume the gamestate is 6/2/1 right now. A misslynch makes it 5/2/1, a nightkill 4/2/1 and Nemu dying of poison makes it 3/2/1. Even if All Might lost his vote in this scenario, my double vote still wins it for the anti town, so we'd be in MyLo. Thus, I cannot be scum in this scenario unless Nemu is also scum, in which case we never lynch me before Nemu (note that Aizen insisted on gamestate having these numbers). If the gamestate is 7/1/1 right now, with anti town having two nightkills plus poisoner left, a misslynch makes it 6/1/1, two nightkills makes it 4/1/1, and Nemu dying of poison makes it 3/1/1, with someone being poisoned. Lynching the not me anti town makes it 2/1, with me having a double vote, which is another sure win for anti town. This should also count as MyLo. 12/2/1 is already a dumb distribution, but not giving scum the extra killing power makes it just plain unfair imo. 4 hours ago, Cú Chulainn said: also both rain and all might can't be mayors anyway. one of them has to be nontown. I assume all might's killproof and lynchproof were separate actions? I can see him really eager to clear himself thinking lynchproof is an auto town role cuz he's never seen a scum lynchproof (I really don't think he's mafia but I still can't shake off itp vibes sorry man) You know I'm confirmed double vote, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 OK I'm going to bed. I know I look lazy but you guys aren't giving me a lot to work with. Just people sussing me without explaining why and- well speak of the devil Rain just posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I think we should stop trying to read off of whether it should be MYLO or not. Rain's/maybe Nemu's I'd have to read back to double-check cases kinda depend on knowing the game's setup, which only the mafia do. There's a lot of presumptions. Could there be more than one ITP? Could abilities such as the extra nightkill or the poison be conditional/1-shot? And I could swear I've played a few games where mayors lose their double voting ability in MYLO. Otherwise that's basically modconfirming the mayor slot as town in certain situations which I think the host might would avoid. I know in BBM's anonydraft game he didn't announce MYLO because of complications with the mayor slot. In short, we don't know enough for MYLO to be a primary deciding factor in who to clear/who to lynch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 @Rain Nijika I still don't know why you think I'm scum. Goodnight town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, Rain Nijika said: You know I'm confirmed double vote, right? yeah and I don't know why that's relevant to the part of my post you quoted estelle acting like scum zzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 rain does your mayor work in *ylo? do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Nijika Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Estelle said: OK I'm going to bed. I know I look lazy but you guys aren't giving me a lot to work with. Just people sussing me without explaining why and- well speak of the devil Rain just posted. Is that more then just me? And even if you can't defend yourself, you can find which people are scum, right? 6 minutes ago, Estelle said: I think we should stop trying to read off of whether it should be MYLO or not. Rain's/maybe Nemu's I'd have to read back to double-check cases kinda depend on knowing the game's setup, which only the mafia do. There's a lot of presumptions. Could there be more than one ITP? Could abilities such as the extra nightkill or the poison be conditional/1-shot? Even if we don't know the full setup, there's such a thing as game balance. Games aren't made to give one side an insurmountable advantage. My argument mostly comes from the fact that 12/2/1 is a dumb distribution. 6 minutes ago, Estelle said: And I could swear I've played a few games where mayors lose their double voting ability in MYLO. Otherwise that's basically modconfirming the mayor slot as town in certain situations which I think the host might would avoid. I know in BBM's anonydraft game he didn't announce MYLO because of complications with the mayor slot. In short, we don't know enough for MYLO to be a primary deciding factor in who to clear/who to lynch. There have also been games where people were cleared for being mayor though (and lynched anyway, beause lol). I don't have huge cases on people, Estelle's early game reminded me of the meta of a newbie scum player (who I think isn't unlikely to be filling the slot), Aizen tried to start a counterwagon to C.C. and I'm gut scumreading him in general, and while Marissa feels townie on tone and Cu's result (he only confirmed the roleblock, but he also stated the full role sounds townsided to him), she has been part of too many bad ideas for me to not be suspicious of her (getting on the Violet wagon I can let slide, but wanting to lynch All Might after he claimed poisoned and calling me confirmed scum after I was roleblocked are both plain terrible, and considering her posts so far, I feel like she has enough experience to not make mistakes this bad). Combining the above with the fact that I towread other people (Shiki is more a townlean, but still better the people I scumread, and Nemu is only scum if she's lyning about being poisoned I feel, in which case we'll find out soon enough anyway). Violet is confirmed town to me, Cu would have to do some extremely shady stuff for me to vote him, and All Might just needs to go when we can lynch him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Nijika Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cú Chulainn said: rain does your mayor work in *ylo? do you know? I have not been told it doesn't work, which makes me assume it does. I'll ask just in case though. 4 minutes ago, Cú Chulainn said: yeah and I don't know why that's relevant to the part of my post you quoted Brainfart on my end, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 ur good I think I'd rather lynch estelle today honestly but like I also want this game not to be dead lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cú Chulainn Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 estelle's behavior was heavily focused on pushing rain multiple times for a case she can defend herself against and then she was like "we should stop focusing on *ylo spec" only to focus on more *ylo spec fluff and there's no game analysis or reads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Kirisame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rain Nijika said: I don't have huge cases on people, Estelle's early game reminded me of the meta of a newbie scum player (who I think isn't unlikely to be filling the slot), Aizen tried to start a counterwagon to C.C. and I'm gut scumreading him in general, and while Marissa feels townie on tone and Cu's result (he only confirmed the roleblock, but he also stated the full role sounds townsided to him), she has been part of too many bad ideas for me to not be suspicious of her (getting on the Violet wagon I can let slide, but wanting to lynch All Might after he claimed poisoned and calling me confirmed scum after I was roleblocked are both plain terrible, and considering her posts so far, I feel like she has enough experience to not make mistakes this bad). I just feel I'm not getting through to you and the more you make these claims the more it becomes like you're pulling the wool over my eyes. You've yet to explain how the 3rd kill happened in your perspective nor are you offering any solutions to this underlying problem. All you've done is say 'dunno I'm not the poisoner!' which I get but the fact remains All Might claimed poison D2 and not D1, and following D1 we had..can you guess it? 3 kills. One of them was confirmed by Violet on Ochako, one of them was the factional kill and can you guess what the last one was? Probably the ITP. So..why again did a second kill not happen and only one when you roleblocked? All I've gotten from you is that ITP and Scum just happened to make choices which I get it, that's a completely fair perspective to make! If you're town obviously the only thing you can do wrong is mislynch, so night relations don't have to deal with you. There's nothing that I can argue here because we don't have facts, but frankly with your attitude for lackthereof I just don't really see why we keep you around. You're not sitting trying to go through the motions with everyone, you come in here and complain and then don't offer any insight as if you haven't really bothered to truly read the thread. I just don't know if that position is one town makes who truly wants to win the game, not anti-town trying to get by false promises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 My problem with rain is there not acting like a town who is getting mistreated and is framed/is about to be mislynched because of a roleblock that went south all I really see is someone trying to talk set up and how they can't be a poisoner. I see a few scumreads that's good. But what I don't see is someone trying to talk to others and help solve the game like I would expect. I see someone trying there hardest to survive it's all about "me me me" that's my biggest issue with rain minus poe. I don't know how others feel about this. Like I'm trying not to base it off how I would play but I just don't see rain really playing how I'd expect a town to play this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Kirisame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 So I'm gonna move aside this and instead talk to you on your content and not mech bull, because frankly I can't stand mechanics and it's not my strong suit. I think your content is pretty lacking in general but you're given a position to defend and you mostly focus your time doing so. What I'm guessing is that you think All Might is ITP/Anti-town? Like your wording towards All Might in this post: All Mights revealed role strikes me as incredible likely to be the itp, but deadproof might just be there to counter balance the heavy killing I guess. The fact that he's trying to strongarm town into doing exactly what he says is frustratingly NAI (I know a few players here who I think would be this aggressive as town), but the complete disregard for people saying he's not confirmed town gives him away I feel (by which I mostly mean the fact that he keeps hammering on it, even though people have said numerous times it's not true). So yeah, would like this slot to go. Can't lynch him today though. Leaning towards Aizen and Estelle, I'll go into that more after I eat. So we've got this opinion lined up here and I only really wanna focus on your reads and not your theories, which are far and few between. You say Aizen/Estelle are also people you believe are Mafia and say you're gonna go into it but it simply doesn't happen. I don't know how much you've read (or decided to) but we've now had three bodies replace into this same slot unfortunately. Being a sub can be difficult but this is a pretty quiet game so I dunno what basis you are firing these off. You never really..elaborate on it? Like after that post it's mostly just mech talk, and then as deadline nears you make this post: Honestly though, I still don't wanna lynch Nemu before the poison can prove her innocence, and All Might is still unlynchable. I still think Aizen/Estelle is the scum team tbh, so I'm just going to vote there for now: ##Vote: Aizen I'll be back in a few hours to talk more, but we should start thinking about who to lynch now. There's just nothing there to back this up! Where's your confidence coming from on this? Why didn't you bother to explain more why you think this instead of having all your efforts be defending yourself? Even after this fact you don't go into further detail and rather just continue with mech talk with such an easy thing to do, nor am I really taking it all too insightful at this point. If you want to start with the lynch being pulled off you start here because I can't see your worth if this is all you can muster. The only thing I get is that you think Estelle is noobscum and aizen is her partner because ??? Literally nothing there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Kirisame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 So I'm gonna move aside this and instead talk to you on your content and not mech bull, because frankly I can't stand mechanics and it's not my strong suit. I think your content is pretty lacking in general but you're given a position to defend and you mostly focus your time doing so. What I'm guessing is that you think All Might is ITP/Anti-town? Like your wording towards All Might in this post: All Mights revealed role strikes me as incredible likely to be the itp, but deadproof might just be there to counter balance the heavy killing I guess. The fact that he's trying to strongarm town into doing exactly what he says is frustratingly NAI (I know a few players here who I think would be this aggressive as town), but the complete disregard for people saying he's not confirmed town gives him away I feel (by which I mostly mean the fact that he keeps hammering on it, even though people have said numerous times it's not true). So yeah, would like this slot to go. Can't lynch him today though. Leaning towards Aizen and Estelle, I'll go into that more after I eat. So we've got this opinion lined up here and I only really wanna focus on your reads and not your theories, which are far and few between. You say Aizen/Estelle are also people you believe are Mafia and say you're gonna go into it but it simply doesn't happen. I don't know how much you've read (or decided to) but we've now had three bodies replace into this same slot unfortunately. Being a sub can be difficult but this is a pretty quiet game so I dunno what basis you are firing these off. You never really..elaborate on it? Like after that post it's mostly just mech talk, and then as deadline nears you make this post: Honestly though, I still don't wanna lynch Nemu before the poison can prove her innocence, and All Might is still unlynchable. I still think Aizen/Estelle is the scum team tbh, so I'm just going to vote there for now: ##Vote: Aizen I'll be back in a few hours to talk more, but we should start thinking about who to lynch now. There's just nothing there to back this up! Where's your confidence coming from on this? Why didn't you bother to explain more why you think this instead of having all your efforts be defending yourself? Even after this fact you don't go into further detail and rather just continue with mech talk with such an easy thing to do, nor am I really taking it all too insightful at this point. If you want to start with the lynch being pulled off you start here because I can't see your worth if this is all you can muster. The only thing I get is that you think Estelle is noobscum and aizen is her partner because ??? Literally nothing there *fixed formatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I tried to fire rain up but they just gave me a bunch of mech post-(Marisa can you stop posting right after me you're stealing my grove here) anyway she gave me a bunch of mech posting and I just don't understand why she's not trying more if we try to get into rains mind we're seeing a scum team of me and est with a all might ITP the all might being non town is somewhat agreed on so okay. The issue here is I am actively saying give the power to me Estelle or violet if I was Rain I'd be jumping on that right away going "Look at this team look at it!" I would say that's pretty towny if rain really believed the team to be me and estelle but no comment on it at all. I also think me and Estelle aren't getting lynched right now so why isn't Rain going "look guys Aizen and Estelle are scum here's why" I just don't see any fire or want to solve or any of that from rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Marisa what do you think about voting Estelle for top waifu as I stated before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Kirisame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Aizen said: Marisa what do you think about voting Estelle for top waifu as I stated before Well..it'd be an interesting gamble to say the least! I think most people are just voting for me/cu by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I don't see how it's a gamble to be honest because she's kinda trapped into using the action in a towny way due to my role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Kirisame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Aizen said: I don't see how it's a gamble to be honest because she's kinda trapped into using the action in a towny way due to my role. I thought it was one-shot? We'd have to amass votes sooner than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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