Special Heroes Silhouettes

[Anacybele]

I kinda sorta do. Personally, non-seasonal alts besides CYL, legendaries, and mythics are an awful idea imo. There are still so many characters in the FE series that aren't in the game at all, and yet IS instead chooses to put an alt of a character already in when that spot could've been given to a completely new hero.

Seasonals are a better idea imo. They're limited time, not added to the permanent pool, and these banners will feature ALL alts rather than one random alt thrown into a new heroes banner (not counting cases like bride Charlotte and summer Noire, of course). And they're a more fun thing since you get to potentially see your favorite characters in summer or holiday themed outfits or whatever. Hinoka's kinshi alt is nice, but I'd find it more fun to see her in seasonal wear. And the fact that she's literally the only Fates royal not to have a seasonal so far barring second gen is just odd to me. Maybe she's not as popular as the others, but for completion's sake, why not? And she still has some fans. I really like her for being a cool tomboy princess instead of the much more common girly damsel in distress princess.

Edited January 20, 2019 by Anacybele

[Othin]

9 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I kinda sorta do. Personally, non-seasonal alts besides CYL, legendaries, and mythics are an awful idea imo. There are still so many characters in the FE series that aren't in the game at all, and yet IS instead chooses to put an alt of a character already in when that spot could've been given to a completely new hero.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think even a lot of the legendaries are questionable. Like it's one thing when they're showing a specific new canon side of the character (RD Ike, promoted Eirika/Ephraim, Binding Shield Marth) but a lot of them are as unnecessary as the New Heroes ones (Ryoma, Hector, Tiki, Azura).

Edited January 20, 2019 by Othin

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Othin said:

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think even a lot of the legendaries are questionable. Like it's one thing when they're showing a specific new canon side of the character (RD Ike, promoted Eirika/Ephraim, Binding Shield Marth) but a lot of them are as unnecessary as the New Heroes ones (Hector, Lucina, Tiki, Azura).

Yeah, that's arguable as well, I agree. But I guess they had to fill up all the slots with something so we had a nice 16 and one for each element/stat combination. I think the worst one is Grima Robin though, because Grima is no hero, and if Robin is legendary, it should be normal Robin with the Levin Sword. :/ It's almost insulting that we still don't have a sword Robin yet imo.

[Michelaar]

12 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I kinda sorta do. Personally, non-seasonal alts besides CYL, legendaries, and mythics are an awful idea imo. There are still so many characters in the FE series that aren't in the game at all, and yet IS instead chooses to put an alt of a character already in when that spot could've been given to a completely new hero.

Seasonals are a better idea imo. They're limited time, not added to the permanent pool, and these banners will feature ALL alts rather than one random alt thrown into a new heroes banner (not counting cases like bride Charlotte and summer Noire, of course). And they're a more fun thing since you get to potentially see your favorite characters in summer or holiday themed outfits or whatever. Hinoka's kinshi alt is nice, but I'd find it more fun to see her in seasonal wear. And the fact that she's literally the only Fates royal not to have a seasonal so far barring second gen is just odd to me. Maybe she's not as popular as the others, but for completion's sake, why not? And she still has some fans. I really like her for being a cool tomboy princess instead of the much more common girly damsel in distress princess.

I mean, that's fine and all, but she did get one, no turning that back, and the one that she got is a pretty damn good unit too, with a cool design.

[Othin]

3 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, that's arguable as well, I agree. But I guess they had to fill up all the slots with something so we had a nice 16 and one for each element/stat combination. I think the worst one is Grima Robin though, because Grima is no hero, and if Robin is legendary, it should be normal Robin with the Levin Sword. :/ It's almost insulting that we still don't have a sword Robin yet imo.

Grima is a weird "legendary hero" fit, but I do think it's fine to have both male and female Grima. Mythic would have been a better fit but we didn't have those at the time.

"Hero" as a designation in Heroes doesn't relate to being heroic, just to being a summonable character. Valter, Gharnef, Arvis, etc. are all classified as "Heroes" in this game. Although "legendary hero" does seem to otherwise imply being legendary for heroism, which better fits sword Robin. Who would be a more meaningful addition than a second gender of Grima, sure.

I think legendary Grima may have been more about mechanics. They wanted an armored dragon and they wanted to introduce colorless breath, and the two don't really go together. Also they were both making a Fallen Heroes banner and trying to make a colorless legendary hero, the only one for a long time.

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Othin said:

Grima is a weird "legendary hero" fit, but I do think it's fine to have both male and female Grima. Mythic would have been a better fit but we didn't have those at the time.

"Hero" as a designation in Heroes doesn't relate to being heroic, just to being a summonable character. Valter, Gharnef, Arvis, etc. are all classified as "Heroes" in this game. Although "legendary hero" does seem to otherwise imply being legendary for heroism, which better fits sword Robin. Who would be a more meaningful addition than a second gender of Grima, sure.

I think legendary Grima may have been more about mechanics. They wanted an armored dragon and they wanted to introduce colorless breath, and the two don't really go together. Also they were both making a Fallen Heroes banner and trying to make a colorless legendary hero, the only one for a long time.

Yeah, that's all probably true. I still wish for a sword Robin someday though. xP

[Hero_Lucina]

The right one is anthony but no one believes me

[Othin]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, that's all probably true. I still wish for a sword Robin someday though. xP

Yeah, same. I know there'll probably be a lot of complaining if we get a legendary sword Robin (or mythic, if they go that route for mythics) but I think it's way more justified than most of the alts. And as long as it's male Robin, there's the "technically not the same character as female Robin" argument. (Also the Robin vs Grima distinction, as opposed to something like two legendary Corrins.)

[Anacybele]

3 minutes ago, Othin said:

Yeah, same. I know there'll probably be a lot of complaining if we get a legendary sword Robin (or mythic, if they go that route for mythics) but I think it's way more justified than most of the alts. And as long as it's male Robin, there's the "technically not the same character as female Robin" argument. (Also the Robin vs Grima distinction, as opposed to something like two legendary Corrins.)

Yeah, I actually don't think a sword Robin should be legendary at this point now anyway since Grima Robin exists. A lot of people would complain about it and we really don't need two legendaries that are the same character.

[Othin]

5 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, I actually don't think a sword Robin should be legendary at this point now anyway since Grima Robin exists. A lot of people would complain about it and we really don't need two legendaries that are the same character.

Eh, better to "waste" a legendary slot on a somewhat questionable addition than make another alt on a New Heroes banner, I'd say. Even with legendaries only being every two months now, I'm sure there are plenty of less worthwhile ones on the way. Although I guess seasonals could work around that issue entirely. (Or CYL, if Robin ever wins one of those.)

Admittedly, with more careful planning, there are more "efficient" ways they could have made both Grimas and a non-seasonal sword Robin without making more than two non-seasonal alts (one for each gender). One rather silly way would have been to give one gender Fallen Heroes Grima and give the other gender both legendary sword Robin and a seasonal (Halloween?) Grima. Another way would have been to just make one of the two Grimas be a sword user rather than another breath user. (Hell, they could have taken Celica's spot on Fallen Heroes. No one seemed particularly enthusiastic about fallen Celica, especially after we got a more distinctive CYL Celica anyway.)

[zuibangde]

I feel like the silhouette on the left is a bit too short and skinny to be Hinoka.

What if it's....HAYATO. 

[GrandeRampel]

Oh boy, so the banner is about hot springs. I wonder if...

12 hours ago, Nanima said:

Really, the biggest concern I'd have with a hotspring banner is the massive amounts of fanservice they are likely to inject. I'm normally fine with a bit of fanservice, but hot spring tend to be incredibly focused on that... And if the predicition about Sakura is true, I really don't want to see her be used for fanservice.

 

... *sighes heavily* It started again... The game of save the kids from the evil plan of IS has started again.

Look, Nanima I'm sorry if it seems like I'm angry at you in particular, I'm really not. I'm just angry that this argument has started again at all.

Let me make something clear. I don't think even a single alt of a child in Heroes was done with "that kind of fanservice" in mind. If we pick Summer Elise/Summer Young Tiki and compare them with Summer Camilla, we will see that Camilla shows way more skin, especially in her damaged art and her lines are suggestive. There are some innuendos there. On the other hand, Elise and Tiki are dressed more properly and their lines are about how cool the beach is and how much fun they had.

If we compare Winter Fae, with Winter Tharja we will see that one is wholesome and the other is trying to impress Robin to get in his/her pants.

Halloween Niles, Kagero and Dorcas are very sexy and very intenionally so. Halloween Myrrh and Sakura are not. And while the outfit Halloween Nowi wears is a bit questionable, it doesn't mean a lot when her regular get up is way worse and the lines she says still don't contain anything even remotely related to seduction. She is having fun being a witch.

Bride Sanaki didn't show any skin even when damaged, compared to some outfits the other brides wear, but it was argued to death that the problem there wasn't the visual fanservice, but the ideology of children given to adults as spouses. Sure, if you read her lines there is nothing about wanting to marry an older guy, and I even showed the images to my mother and brother, because I needed a second opinion to understand if I was the crazy one that didn't see it, and they agreed with me. They thought it was kind of like when a little kid dresses as a princess, or as a bride, because they like the outfit and they found it cute. Honestly that's what I thought the instant I saw her. I was happy to get a cute alt for Sanaki. I think it's always a matter of target demographic.

The target demographic for someone like Summer Innes is straight women and gay men that like abs. The target demographic for Spring Camilla is people who like boobs, while probably Halloween Mia is made for legs persons.

Alts like Summer Young Tiki are made for people who really like the little sister trope. They enjoy cute children, probably out of desire to protect them, or to be loved by someone who is innocent and would love them sincerely without dirty thoughts or even an hidden agenda. So when making the alt, IS will obviously emphasize the cuteness of the character, or their naivete. They will concentrate on fun, and being positive, to warm the hearts of the potential buyers. Or maybe they will make the "little sister" be scared or too shy to try something new, so that they can have the "big brother/sister" (who is the player) teach them, or make them feel safe. Another thing they could do to make the alt even more "moe" is make the character try to act mature and pretend to know what they are doing, when the player can clearly see what's going on. Halloween Myrrh saying that even if she is an adult she wants to eat candy and Bride Sanaki... pretty much everything about Sanaki, are good examples of this. And sure, some people will sexualize them, but that's inevitable. Even before Bride Sanaki if you searched her name on Rule 34, you would have found something for sure. Did Bride Sanaki help increase the number of porn featuring Sanaki? Probably, but it would have happened even if it was Nun Sanaki, or Sport's Day Sanaki.

If you try to see things from IS perspective, characters like Nino, Elise, Tiki and Nowi were very popular characters, they did well in CYL, so it was natural to make alts for them. Even Sanaki probably gained a bit of popularity just for being introduced in Heroes almost at the start. So the alts for them needed to happen anyway, it was just a matter of how to do draw them. And in my opinion they were done tastefully, unlike 90% of alts who rely mostly on showing a lot of skin. Of course you can disagree with me on this point, but you have to give IS the benefit of the doubt, and even if the outfit weren't tasteful enough for you, they were still less tasteless than other alts they make all the time.

Some people are asking: "Is Sakura really the best choice for an onsen alt?" "Couldn't they save her for a better event?" and I find this argument stupid. First we don't know for sure if this will really be an onsen event. Second, we don't know if Sakura will really be in it. Third, even if she is in, we don't know how they will be dressed, because this is the first time we had this event. We are just guessing that it will be inappropriate, that it will be way more sexual and worse than the alts the lolis had until now (which as I stated before, weren't that bad), but guesses are just guesses. It makes zero sense to start complaining before the banner is even out. It seems that the mentality here has become that we can only expect the worse from FEH, and while that may be true on certain aspects like the balance, it's such a sad way to see things.

And as I said, limiting the children to the "safe events" is stupid. First of all it becomes repetitive if the kids can only appear in a couple of events. Second... what is even considered a safe event? Is christmas safe? Well, we had Winter Tharja, so probably not. Summer must be unsafe, right? All the sexy swimsuits and perverts. And yet we have Summer Takumi who is just so happy to be there and smiling, that you can't even try to sexualize him, unless you have no heart. Is Easter unsafe because it only had playboy costumes? Well, before you go crazy because they announced Maria will appear on the spring banner, try to think that they could just dress her up with a cute, fluffy, bunny costume.

Any event can be made safe or unsafe. It depends on the artist and the writer.

 

I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to write this down. Mostly because I have a feeling I will need to copy and paste this often if Sakura really is on the banner with a pretty standard outfit, but people will call it the second coming of Satan anyway.

[Anacybele]

26 minutes ago, Othin said:

Eh, better to "waste" a legendary slot on a somewhat questionable addition than make another alt on a New Heroes banner, I'd say. Even with legendaries only being every two months now, I'm sure there are plenty of less worthwhile ones on the way. Although I guess seasonals could work around that issue entirely. (Or CYL, if Robin ever wins one of those.)

Admittedly, with more careful planning, there are more "efficient" ways they could have made both Grimas and a non-seasonal sword Robin without making more than two non-seasonal alts (one for each gender). One rather silly way would have been to give one gender Fallen Heroes Grima and give the other gender both legendary sword Robin and a seasonal (Halloween?) Grima. Another way would have been to just make one of the two Grimas be a sword user rather than another breath user. (Hell, they could have taken Celica's spot on Fallen Heroes. No one seemed particularly enthusiastic about fallen Celica, especially after we got a more distinctive CYL Celica anyway.)

Yeah, I'd prefer a second legendary Robin or another seasonal Robin if we get a sword Robin. Definitely not another Horse Chrom and Morgans situation. Best idea imo is another seasonal Robin.

And yeah, those aren't bad ideas.

[EricaofRenais]

Well all I have to say is I kind of hope it is Fates because that means I can use all the orbs coming with this banner on trying for Tibarn.  I wonder if all the banner units will be girls and the TT unit will be a guy?  I can live with that, but I hope for equal rep.  The only loli alt that annoyed me was Nowi's but I don't like her regular art either, so same thing.  If Sakura is on this banner if they put her in a big fluffy robe that covers everything I think that would be fine.

[Alkaid]

People will find a way to complain no matter how much or little fanservice they add, or whether the whole banner's 3DS characters or not. No point in IS even bothering to try and please everybody with how the fanbase usually behaves. They could add Jill to this banner and people would still manage to complain "why isn't it a different Tellius character?" If IS tried to navigate the web of complaints over X characters and alts they'd probably never get anything done, and possibly make less money in the process anyway.

I'm all for whatever fanservice they decide to drop, or not. I don't really care if everyone's half naked or in 7 layers of towels. I didn't ask for nor ever expect an onsen banner, but at the very least it's another single free pull for me(and maybe some tickets again?). If I like the units they're offering, great. If not, also great, so I can save my orbs for the other big things coming up within the next month.

Nina and Sakura would be cool. I like them but I don't think I'd want them enough to spend my orbs over saving for the mythic/Valentine's banners. Best case scenario for me would be a TT freebie of Hinoka or something, but that probably won't happen. If this is a mostly Hoshido banner, maybe they'd finally introduce Orochi or something as the more fanservicy option.

[Ice Dragon]

2 hours ago, Othin said:

Grima is a weird "legendary hero" fit, but I do think it's fine to have both male and female Grima. Mythic would have been a better fit but we didn't have those at the time.

"Hero" as a designation in Heroes doesn't relate to being heroic, just to being a summonable character. Valter, Gharnef, Arvis, etc. are all classified as "Heroes" in this game. Although "legendary hero" does seem to otherwise imply being legendary for heroism, which better fits sword Robin. Who would be a more meaningful addition than a second gender of Grima, sure.

Legendary Hero still refers to a Hero with a capital h (no idea how other Latin-character-set languages deal with it, but the English localization makes a clear distinction between "hero" and "Hero"), so it still has absolutely nothing to do with heroism.

[Othin]

1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said:

Legendary Hero still refers to a Hero with a capital h (no idea how other Latin-character-set languages deal with it, but the English localization makes a clear distinction between "hero" and "Hero"), so it still has absolutely nothing to do with heroism.

What I was saying is that most legendary heroes are regular, "lowercase" heroes, generally either protagonist status or close.

[Michelaar]

7 minutes ago, Othin said:

What I was saying is that most legendary heroes are regular, "lowercase" heroes, generally either protagonist status or close.

Robin is still pretty much a protagonist (And yes I know it's Grima but the name tag says Robin)

[daisy jane]

3 hours ago, Anacybele said:

I kinda sorta do. Personally, non-seasonal alts besides CYL, legendaries, and mythics are an awful idea imo. There are still so many characters in the FE series that aren't in the game at all, and yet IS instead chooses to put an alt of a character already in when that spot could've been given to a completely new hero.

Seasonals are a better idea imo. They're limited time, not added to the permanent pool, and these banners will feature ALL alts rather than one random alt thrown into a new heroes banner (not counting cases like bride Charlotte and summer Noire, of course). And they're a more fun thing since you get to potentially see your favorite characters in summer or holiday themed outfits or whatever. Hinoka's kinshi alt is nice, but I'd find it more fun to see her in seasonal wear. And the fact that she's literally the only Fates royal not to have a seasonal so far barring second gen is just odd to me. Maybe she's not as popular as the others, but for completion's sake, why not? And she still has some fans. I really like her for being a cool tomboy princess instead of the much more common girly damsel in distress princess.

 

and i'm the opposite. I feel i say this all the time - but I really don't have issues with alts, etc, and I wish there were ways to add them in the permanent pool (even if it was just for that "season" or more banners to try to get them (ie: maybe a 3 person banner vs. a 4*). and i say this with alot of my favourite units not in the game yet. a Lot of my favourite characters (or play types) happen to be alts. I ADORE fliers so i am always happy that it seems that NY is Flier-city, and that SY Tiki is a flier (i'm just sad i only have one of her LOL). 

while I always understand and respect the people who don't want alts because they want a "new hero" for me, the alts are NEW heroes - because they usualy have different skills, different move types, etc. and while you know Bride Cordelia could have been another type of archer and Astrid, Charlotte, Lucia WHEN GAME?!  i'll also be stupidly giddy (and sad becucse my orbs, oh my orbs) if game created say Dark Falcon Elise/Tharja (BOTH?!) or whatenot too. 

[Anacybele]

2 minutes ago, daisy jane said:

and i'm the opposite. I feel i say this all the time - but I really don't have issues with alts, etc, and I wish there were ways to add them in the permanent pool (even if it was just for that "season" or more banners to try to get them (ie: maybe a 3 person banner vs. a 4*). and i say this with alot of my favourite units not in the game yet. a Lot of my favourite characters (or play types) happen to be alts. I ADORE fliers so i am always happy that it seems that NY is Flier-city, and that SY Tiki is a flier (i'm just sad i only have one of her LOL). 

while I always understand and respect the people who don't want alts because they want a "new hero" for me, the alts are NEW heroes - because they usualy have different skills, different move types, etc. and while you know Bride Cordelia could have been another type of archer and Astrid, Charlotte, Lucia WHEN GAME?!  i'll also be stupidly giddy (and sad becucse my orbs, oh my orbs) if game created say Dark Falcon Elise/Tharja (BOTH?!) or whatenot too. 

I see. Yeah, I get when your favorite unit type is getting attention. I like fliers myself. Though cavs are my personal fav, and unfortunately, we don't get many new ones in that group. I wish we would, but IS just keeps wanting to throw a bunch of armors and fliers everywhere lately... We're not even getting many infantry lately either. I hope we start getting some more of those and cavs soon.

That's fine then, yeah.

[daisy jane]

28 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I see. Yeah, I get when your favorite unit type is getting attention. I like fliers myself. Though cavs are my personal fav, and unfortunately, we don't get many new ones in that group. I wish we would, but IS just keeps wanting to throw a bunch of armors and fliers everywhere lately... We're not even getting many infantry lately either. I hope we start getting some more of those and cavs soon.

That's fine then, yeah.

 

that's true too. more horses!! :)

i'm not really into team armour - but they put my favourite characters in armour (eyes Myrrh) LOL

[Ottservia]

12 hours ago, thecrimsonflash said:

hinoka is too old to be your cute little sister that you want to do horrific things to when mom and dad are away, but too flat and short haired to be the sexy older sister whom you want to do horrific things to you when mom and dad are away, hinoka serves no purpose in life, she is more useless than your oniichan that makes you feel really confused when you stare into his eyes long enough.

don't @ me it's a joke

fixed it

Ok I laughed waay too hard at this. Oh anime and its little sister fetish. *sigh*

Edited January 20, 2019 by Otts486

[Rezzy]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I can kinda see Est on the left.  The hair and body type match up.

[Interdimensional Observer]

1 minute ago, Rezzy said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I can kinda see Est on the left.  The hair and body type match up.

If it is hot springs themed, she is yet another I wouldn't want to see here. And for a different reason, the Abel breakup, Valentine's and Bridal are also not where I'd put her.

But I do think that she deserves a Seasonal. I find it weird only Catria has a Seasonal and not her sisters. Starring in three different games to me means the Whitewings are worthy of Seasonal alts, they were worthy of being ultra-hard DLC Einherjar in Awakening. 

[Othin]

7 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I can kinda see Est on the left.  The hair and body type match up.

I can see that. Seems like some pegasus knight, probably.