Zapp Branniglenn Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NegativeExponents- said: Those aren’t great alternatives. Grail units should be considered more valuable than 5* imo considering their hard to obtain premium currency and being a finite resource. They are finite, which is a big deal. But I wouldn't call them harder to obtain when they're just a click away, rather than hoping the game finally gives you the unit you want through orbs which is never guaranteed to happen no matter how much money you put into the game. 6 minutes ago, TheNiddo said: Actually funny enough... Distant Counter is easier to get now by a small margin. When you look at the units being removed, how they affect the summoning odds within each colour, and do the math, post change you have a higher chance of getting Nailah than you do getting a Hector or a Nailah now. There are probably other skills you listed that are in the same boat: one of two possible carries of a skill being removed doesn't actually strictly mean its more difficult to get. RNG odds are funny that way. Also this. Several great skills just got much more common. I'm not up on what the good skills are, because they just keep adding tiny variations of skills all the time, but I imagine wrath is more common when only one of its three holders got the boot. As well as these fancy fourth tier skills. Edited April 5, 2019 by Glennstavos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: While you're at it, Drive Atk still exists in the red pool as Leif isn't going anywhere either. Delthea, however, did get removed. Delthea and the others that will be “removed” can still appear in Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners as well as the seasonal banner reruns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troykv Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord-Zero said: Delthea and the others that will be “removed” can still appear in Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners as well as the seasonal banner reruns. Well, I don't expect the Normal Units to appear in Leg/Myth, but CYL Units perfectly can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy jane Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: Delthea and the others that will be “removed” can still appear in Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners as well as the seasonal banner reruns. no they can't..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, daisy jane said: no they can't..... Yes they can. There’s also the many seasonal banner reruns where they can still spook you and fodder banners. It’s not that big of a deal. Edited April 5, 2019 by Lord-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy jane Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: Yes they can. There’s also the many seasonal banner reruns where they can still spook you and fodder banners. It’s not that big of a deal. why would gen 1 units be on legendary? I'm actually expecting less normal 5*'s on legendary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NegativeExponents- Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Glennstavos said: They are finite, which is a big deal. But I wouldn't call them harder to obtain when they're just a click away, rather than hoping the game finally gives you the unit you want through orbs which is never guaranteed to happen no matter how much money you put into the game. 14 minutes ago, TheNiddo said: Lol I meant the Grails are hard to obtain not the unit itself. Or more like you get so little Grails from AR that having to use them for fodder is a big opportunity cost. Edited April 5, 2019 by NegativeExponents- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silafante Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 People: We don't want to get pity broken by Mist or Luke. IS: Makes a way to not get pity broken by those and other units when you summon for new units (which is when pity breakers hurt more). People: Screw you IS, you do everything for money! The h*ll people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, daisy jane said: why would gen 1 units be on legendary? I'm actually expecting less normal 5*'s on legendary Brave Lyn on the current Mythic Banner is immediate proof these units can and do still show up. But yeah I don't expect it to be common when the point of these Legendary Banners is to have valuable units that people will want to summon for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, daisy jane said: why would gen 1 units be on legendary? I'm actually expecting less normal 5*'s on legendary I said that it’s a possibility, not a definitive. They’ve put Faye like, what, twice? Now that those units will become even more “rare”, it makes them prime candidates for Legendary/Mythic banners. Also, remember the Seasonal banner reruns which this game loves so much. You can still be spooked there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Glennstavos said: They are finite, which is a big deal. But I wouldn't call them harder to obtain when they're just a click away, rather than hoping the game finally gives you the unit you want which is never guaranteed to happen no matter how much money you put into the game. Just because I can easily promote Bartre to 5* for Fury does not mean that it is an efficient use of resources for me.. Spending Grails for skill fodder is highly inefficient for a paying player since those Grails could have gone towards merges instead. 13 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: Delthea and the others that will be “removed” can still appear in Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners as well as the seasonal banner reruns. But players have no idea when those fodder Foci are coming, and unless Intelligent Systems increase the amount of Foci, it will be difficult to get a specific Book 1 5* exclusive. As a player who collected every Special Heroes up to Hostile Springs, I am also not going to try to summon for Hector from Special Heroes Foci reruns either. Edited April 5, 2019 by XRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy jane Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Silafante said: People: We don't want to get pity broken by Mist or Luke. IS: Makes a way to not get pity broken by those and other units when you summon for new units (which is when pity breakers hurt more). People: Screw you IS, you do everything for money! The h*ll people? pity breakers hurt more regardless of when it happens. unless it's someone you'd love to have (Ie: I got Celica, Nephenee, Elincia, Ninian and Azura as pity breakers). like if you are on a focus banner why is it less painful vs a new unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NegativeExponents- Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Silafante said: People: We don't want to get pity broken by Mist or Luke. IS: Makes a way to not get pity broken by those and other units when you summon for new units (which is when pity breakers hurt more). People: Screw you IS, you do everything for money! The h*ll people? More like IS made a way for Mist to still pity break you while at the same time screwing over people who actually wanted her. Effectively finding a way to somehow make things worse. Seriously, just demote those units. People still want to see them just not as 5* pity breakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, XRay said: But players have no idea when those fodder Foci are coming, and unless Intelligent Systems increase the amount of Foci, it will be difficult to get a specific Book 1 5* exclusive. It just means that those players can focus on saving for when those characters become focus units in a future banner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Goad Armor is now completely gone. Fuck you, game. 19 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: Delthea and the others that will be “removed” can still appear in Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners as well as the seasonal banner reruns. They can only appear as focus units on Legendary and Mythic Hero banners, of which there are typically only one slot per color, if any. Fodder banners and seasonal banner reruns are rarely worth my orbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanima Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord-Zero said: It just means that those players can focus on saving for when those characters become focus units in a future banner. If they bcome focus units. When was the last time you saw Mist on a fodder banner? And yes, I actually kind of wanted her. They've given no indication they'll be adding skill focuses more frequently, so I don't see why some people treat it as a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Goad Armor is now completely gone. Fuck you, game. They can only appear as focus units on Legendary and Mythic Hero banners, of which there are typically only one slot per color, if any. Fodder banners and seasonal banner reruns are rarely worth my orbs. Did you even need Goad Armor for anything in particular lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Did you even need Goad Armor for anything in particular lol It makes me feel good to see my armors have the full suite of armor buffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, Lord-Zero said: It just means that those players can focus on saving for when those characters become focus units in a future banner. Unless your are Hector or something, a lot of units do not get a lot of appearances. Luke never appeared in a Focus outside of his debut Focus. Lyn appeared pretty frequently in 2017, but she only appeared once in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Did you even need Goad Armor for anything in particular lol To make Arden as fast as possible. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: It makes me feel good to see my armors have the full suite of armor buffs. 3 minutes ago, Kaden said: To make Arden as fast as possible. :p I prefer the second one >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: I prefer the second one >_> Arden is too expensive to build. Grails are expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Arden is too expensive to build. Grails are expensive. Your not ardent enough for it ....wait thats a bad retort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said: Arden is too expensive to build. Grails are expensive. Nothing is expensive if it means making Arden the best he can be. But seriously though, fuck Heroic Grails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Goad Armor is now completely gone. Fuck you, game. They can only appear as focus units on Legendary and Mythic Hero banners, of which there are typically only one slot per color, if any. Fodder banners and seasonal banner reruns are rarely worth my orbs. LA!Eliwood has Goad Armor if you still want it that badly. Legendary/Mythic banners, fodder banners, VG banners and seasonal rerun banners. It’s not that bad. @Nanima Well, those units just became more desirable so it now gives the developers an excuse to drop the likes of Mist in a fodder banner if they want to. There’s also the possibility of Mist showing up in a VG banner or the monthly Legendary/Mythic banners. Seasonal banner reruns will be left mostly untouched so she can spook you there as well. She really has no business being a 5*, though. @XRay This change just means that the “removed” units will be more desirable. Edited April 5, 2019 by Lord-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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