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50 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said:

I think because of the seminars is going to make Byleth into a Jagen. Because he is going to less time to improve his stats/ weapon ranks compared to the students only on the weekend. Meanwhile on the week is the only time to repair the Sword of the Creator. 1-3 skill points for attacking in battle compared to classes where it gives around 24-32 point is quite a deal in the long term. Or it may be due to the exp system is based on rank and enemy promotedness/level like regular exp.With the little time give to the avatar why invest in him when you can make several others better? Maybe that's why he has an overpowered sword, to compensate for him lagging behind.

I am pretty sure Byleth attends the seminars too.

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1 hour ago, Jingle Jangle said:

I think because of the seminars is going to make Byleth into a Jagen. Because he is going to less time to improve his stats/ weapon ranks compared to the students only on the weekend. Meanwhile on the week is the only time to repair the Sword of the Creator. 1-3 skill points for attacking in battle compared to classes where it gives around 24-32 point is quite a deal in the long term. Or it may be due to the exp system is based on rank and enemy promotedness/level like regular exp.With the little time give to the avatar why invest in him when you can make several others better? Maybe that's why he has an overpowered sword, to compensate for him lagging behind.

It's worth noting Faculty Training is worth 20 points Neutral, 30 strong. And you can spend all your actions on it each weekend if you want.

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4 hours ago, Marros said:

It's worth noting Faculty Training is worth 20 points Neutral, 30 strong. And you can spend all your actions on it each weekend if you want.

That's going to be the big choice, because they're amazing for weapon skill and build support points with the non students, but they don't give professor exp. Meaning if you focus only on them, you'll get less actions overall and less money. Similarly, attending a seminar means you give up on free roaming and the spending of your points for that weekend.

In other words... there might be a path to make Byleth a great teacher but a limited combat unit, or vice-versa. Maybe.

I'd also like a better grasp of how motivation works, the articles have implied several times that resting or going to the cafeteria is worthwhile to refill motivation, but we haven't really seen it progressively drop at this point, and if you're lucky, it recharges on its own while you tutor due to praise or advice. The face at the left of the bar is also a big question mark as to what difference it really makes, afaik.

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This game's tuition system seems remarkably in-depth. My suspicion right now is that the best approach will be using non-time spending means to quickly level up Professor XP (sneaking into people's rooms to read their diaries etc etc), with some early seminars, but eventually spending most of the weekend using faculty training. But Motivation and Supports could completely up-end that, if you need to spend a time slot or two taking people out for tea.

Actually, scratch that. I completely forgot about the Divine Statues. Pumping Renown into them is probably intended to be one of the main means the player has of keeping up with student XP gain.

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39 minutes ago, Onestep said:

Actually, scratch that. I completely forgot about the Divine Statues. Pumping Renown into them is probably intended to be one of the main means the player has of keeping up with student XP gain.

I don't think so...? Those stat ups don't influence Byleth's stats, but the gains from tutoring. They also can only be bought once.

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2 hours ago, Cysx said:

I don't think so...? Those stat ups don't influence Byleth's stats, but the gains from tutoring. They also can only be bought once.

Ah, really. My misunderstanding. My presumption was that they were affecting Byleth's stats.

Actually, looking through it, Byleth has all the makings of the Oifey-archetype. He'll probably have decent base stats, he'll have a powerful weapon and he'll have solid growths as well. He'll be slightly more limited in how he can grow initially than most of the cast, but he gains extra XP to keep him at a high level, and that, combined with his weapon and solid stats, will keep him strong throughout the game.

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  • 2 weeks later...

I had speculated that you would get a "free" Seminar at the beginning of the game, to teach you the mechanic. It now appears that instead you get a "forced" Seminar.

Looking at some gameplay, it looks like you get to explore the Monastery to begin, then pick which class to teach. After that:

  • The first Sunday (4/27), you can only Explore. 
  • The second Sunday (5/4) is skipped, as there's a battle earlier in the week.
  • The third Sunday (5/11) you can only Explore.
  • The fourth Sunday (5/18) you can only Battle.
  • The fifth Sunday (5/25) you can only Seminar or Rest.
  • The sixth Sunday (6/01) is skipped, as there's a battle earlier in the week.
  • The seventh Sunday (6/08) gives you the full choice of Explore, Seminar, Battle, and Rest.

So everyone will probably want to do a Seminar on 5/25. The options for hosts are:

  • Byleth (~D+ Swords, ~D Authority)
  • Seteth (C Lances, C Authority)
  • Hanneman (D Bows, C Reason)
  • Manuela (D Swords, C Faith)

It will be important earlier in that week to change students' Goals if you want to maximise the number of them attending (and benefiting from) the Seminar. Remember: it's always Byleth and up to five students with a Goal in at least one of the hosts' subjects.

In general, Seteth seems by far to be the best choice. He has C's in both of his subjects, and everyone can use a boost to Authority (for Battalions) and Lances (a prerequisite of many Master Classes). Manuela and Hanneman should probably only be picked if you're trying for a Mage or Priest Byleth, or reclassing a student down a similar path. There's not too much of a reason to choose Byleth.

Here's the experience you'll gain in the respective Skills (assuming base ranks, and not entirely confident about how a Weakness effects the calculations). Sorry about the wonky formatting, and apologies for any miscalculations.

Byleth

  • Initial Seminar Exp from |||| Manuela |||| Seteth |||| Hanneman
  • Byleth  |||| 30 // 32 |||| 48 // 36 |||| 36 // 32

Black Eagles

  • Initial Seminar Exp from |||| Manuela |||| Seteth |||| Hanneman
  • Edelgard |||| 30 // 20 |||| 32 // 36 |||| 20 // 30
  • Hubert |||| 24 // 20 |||| 32 // 42 |||| 30 // 36
  • Dorothea |||| 30 // 20 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 24 // 36
  • Ferdinand |||| 30 // 32 |||| 36 // 32 |||| 24 // 32
  • Bernadetta |||| 20 // 28 |||| 42 // 32 |||| 30 // 32
  • Caspar |||| 24 // 32 |||| 32 // 20 |||| 20 // 20
  • Linhardt |||| 24 // 36 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 24 // 42
  • Petra |||| 30 // 20 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 30 // 20
  • Totals |||| 212//208 |||| 270//258 |||| 202//248

Blue Lions

  • Initial Seminar Exp from |||| Manuela |||| Seteth |||| Hanneman
  • Dimitri |||| 30 // 32 |||| 30 // 36 |||| 24 // 20
  • Dedue |||| 24 // 20 |||| 42 // 32 |||| 24 // 32
  • Felix |||| 30 // 32 |||| 32 // 20 |||| 30 // 20
  • Mercedes |||| 20 // 36 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 24 // 36
  • Ashe |||| 24 // 32 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 30 // 20
  • Annette |||| 24 // 32 |||| 32 // 42 |||| 20 // 36
  • Sylvain |||| 24 // 32 |||| 36 // 32 |||| 20 // 32
  • Ingrid |||| 30 // 32 |||| 36 // 32 |||| 24 // 32
  • Totals |||| 206//248 |||| 272//258 |||| 196//228

Golden Deer

  • Initial Seminar Exp from |||| Manuela |||| Seteth |||| Hanneman
  • Claude |||| 30 // 20 |||| 20 // 36 |||| 24 // 32
  • Lorenz  |||| 24 // 32 |||| 36 // 32 |||| 24 // 42
  • Hilda |||| 24 // 20 |||| 42 // 20 |||| |||| 24 // 32
  • Raphael |||| 24 // 32 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 20 // 20
  • Lysithea  |||| 20 // 42 |||| 20 // 42 |||| 24 // 36
  • Ignatz |||| 30 // 32 |||| 32 // 42 |||| 24 // 32
  • Marianne |||| 30 // 30 |||| 32 // 32 |||| 24 // 32
  • Leonie |||| 24 // 32 |||| 42 // 32 |||| 30 // 32
  • Totals |||| 206//240 |||| 256//268 |||| 194//258
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I'm going through the text dump and I've found the seminars from everyone

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Byleth - Begin a seminar on group tactics and Jeralt's mercenary fighting style.

BE:

Edelgard - Begin a seminar on fighting styles utilizing Heavy Armor units' axes, which the Imperial army is known for.

Hubert - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that gradually weakens your enemy using bows or magic.

Ferdinand - Begin a seminar on a fighting style using sword and lance skills that all nobles should be adept in.

Linhardt - Begin a seminar on the effects of Crests on one's magic skills, as discovered from personal and independent research.

Casper - Begin a seminar on how to win arguments and gain the upper hand in one-on-one combat, or how to give it your all on the battlefield.

Bernadetta - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that takes advantage of a weapon's range, with a strong emphasis on personal safety.

Dorothea - Begin a seminar on a fighting style focusing on moving one's sword with the grace of a dancer and casting magic with the poise of a diva.

Petra - Begin a seminar on the daring and resolute sword and axe fighting styles developed on the Brigid archipelago.

BL:

Dimitri - Begin a seminar on a fighting style utilizing lance skills and group tactics, which was developed by the Kingdom knights.

Dedue - Begin a seminar on a fighting style in which\none can protect their assignment using nothing but their body, an axe, and an iron will.

Felix - Begin a seminar on a self-taught fighting style that combines sword and hand-to-hand skills.

Ashe - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that makes use of close range weapons including the mini bow or axe.

Sylvain - Begin a seminar on fighting style that incorporates flashy techniques and evocative poses and always draws attention.

Mercedes - Begin a seminar on connecting with other people and helping them explore how using magic might best suit them personally.

Annette - Begin a seminar that is designed to help with magic and axe skills simply using the power of suggestion.

Ingrid - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that will have one standing up to enemies as equals, no matter how big or brutish they may be.

GD:

Claude - Begin a seminar on utilizing archery for surprise attacks and raids, an approach cultivated in the Alliance territories.

Lorenz - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that incorporates and exemplifies the grace, decorum, and strength of nobility.

Raphael - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that focuses\non dominating the enemy with pure, strong, well-fed muscle.

Ignatz - Begin a seminar focusing on honing combat form through repeated motions, as outlined in the assigned textbooks.

Lysithea - Begin a seminar worthy of a genius that will have participants reconsidering everything they ever thought they knew about magic.

Marianne - Begin a seminar on the use of magic as a healing tool and swords as a means of defense.

Hilda - Begin a seminar on a free-form fighting style that encourages participants to swing lances and axes around any way they please.

Leonie - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that combines bow skills with Jeralt's personal lance technique.

Faculty:

Seteth - Begin a seminar on an ancient Fódlan fighting style utilizing lance skills.

Flayn - Begin a seminar on a fighting style that utilizes lances and white magic while chatting and discovering the folklore of Saint Cethleann.

Hanneman - Begin a seminar on both reason and bow skills from an esteemed professor of the monastery and the leading Crest scholar in Fódlan.

Manuela - Begin a seminar on both faith and sword skills from a beloved professor of the monastery and former songstress.

Gilbert - Begin a seminar on a fighting style developed by the Knights of Seiros that utilizes lance and axe skills.

Alois - Begin a seminar on a fighting style developed by the Knights of Seiros that utilizes axes and gauntlets.

Catherine - Begin a seminar on a fighting style in which practitioners dominate their opponent using improvised sword and melee techniques.

Shamir - Begin a seminar on fighting styles designed for special situations, such as firing a bow from a long distance or battling in the dark.

Cyril - Begin a seminar on a fighting style developed over many years of training that utilizes axes and bows.

 

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