What 4th Tier classes do you think will be in Three Houses, if any?

[Zoderos]

Master tier is a sure thing. The "Lord" being just an intermediate class is a dead giveaway in my opinion. There is literally no chance in hell the Lords won't at least get a "Great Lord" class or something. Byleth will most likely also get a unique class. The rest of the classes I think will be a mix of old and totally new class names.

[SilverArcher]

12 minutes ago, Zoderos said:

Master tier is a sure thing. The "Lord" being just an intermediate class is a dead giveaway in my opinion. There is literally no chance in hell the Lords won't at least get a "Great Lord" class or something. Byleth will most likely also get a unique class. The rest of the classes I think will be a mix of old and totally new class names.

It's likely that their great lord promote is a story thing for the post timeskip. 

[iavasechui]

I fully expect most if not all master classes to be post skip

[NekoKnight]

The class system sure is strange. Women can be mercenaries but not heroes, and they can't be any gauntlet class despite having them in other classes. They also can't use dark magic because....reasons. And then you have fliers which have zero male accessible class before advanced and if you want to go from Pegasus Rider > Wyvern Rider you need to switch specialties from lances to axes. I hope they make this work in the game.

[SpiceMan]

44 minutes ago, NekoKnight said:

They also can't use dark magic because....reasons.

Slight correction, They can use dark magic, they just can't be in a specialised class for it. And by specialised I mean get a free Miasma, as Mages are still proficient in dark magic. We've seen shots of Lysithea wielding a dark tome from famitsu. The difference in learning Anima or Dark magic will almost certainly be different for each character. As Mage and Dark mage only have 1 spell that makes them different. Leveling reason (and faith) is how you receive spells and each character will have a different list. For example Hubert might learn more dark magic spells than Anima, and Annette might not learn any dark magic at all. The class itself only really grants 1 spell so it's likely that Lysithea will have access to a number of dark magic spells as part of her list.

Edited July 6, 2019 by SpiceMan

[Rakath]

1 hour ago, NekoKnight said:

The class system sure is strange. Women can be mercenaries but not heroes, and they can't be any gauntlet class despite having them in other classes. They also can't use dark magic because....reasons. And then you have fliers which have zero male accessible class before advanced and if you want to go from Pegasus Rider > Wyvern Rider you need to switch specialties from lances to axes. I hope they make this work in the game.

They mitigated a few of these. Wyvern Rider needs less Flying than the other advanced classes (Paladin requires a B in riding, Fortress a B in armor, Wyvern requires C). I imagine that 4th Tiers will require A in riding/armor, while only a B for Flying for the same reason.

Also the nature of the classing system means you can switch off of a class line mid-way to work on some other need. However this requires  some hands on to see how easy it is to just- say, spend some time being a Bishop (for either a Faith!Falco Knight) or Mage (Dark Flyier).

Until we see the 4th tiers we can't know the exact expectations.

[Coreyographed]

I would love to see the magic classes get a mount/flying promotion for this 4th tier because them being stuck to 4 move through all three revealed tiers so far breaks my heart.

On a separate note, assuming Sothis is indeed a Manakete, I think it would be cool for her to transform like Tiki in the original Mystery of the Emblem and be one of the units that takes up 4 spaces like the beasts we've seen so far in the gameplay videos.

[Cysx]

17 hours ago, SpiceMan said:

The class itself only really grants 1 spell so it's likely that Lysithea will have access to a number of dark magic spells as part of her list.

That's an assumption, isn't it? We already know of classes getting skills that weren't revealed, namely Pegasus knight(through Ingrid in the japanese overview trailer) and probably Cavalier(through Dimitri in the King of Beasts map).

[SpiceMan]

1 hour ago, Cysx said:

That's an assumption, isn't it? We already know of classes getting skills that weren't revealed, namely Pegasus knight(through Ingrid in the japanese overview trailer) and probably Cavalier(through Dimitri in the King of Beasts map).

While that is true, how do you know that those extra abilities are tied to the classes and not levelling up your weapons skills or through hidden talents. We have seen Dorothea gain an ability through hidden talents and it's just as fair to say that weapon ranks can give you extra abilities as it is to say classes give you extra ones. On the topic of the Cavalier extra abilities, from what I could see, Dimitri has 3 extra abilities that we did not know about ( The arrow shield, the boot and the fire arrow), if you say that these are cavalier abilities then why does Sylvain have none of them and instead has a different sparkly plus one. Sylvain is only 7 levels lower than Dimitri so why would he have 1 extra cavalier skill when Dimitri has 3 that are completely different. I say that these are not linked to classes but Weapon levels, hidden talents and possibly even Battalions that could grant skills. We don't know, and are just making assumptions as you said. I do think that classes might get a new skill on class mastery, but neither Dimitri nor Sylvain had yet achieved that.

Edit: In fact looking at the abilities section of this site, it says that the fire arrow is an ability linked to Authority. Therefore I think it is fair to say that other abilities would be linked to weapon levels, and not just combat arts. Perhaps Hubert's rally magic came from his Reason and not his class. That's what I think at least

Edited July 7, 2019 by SpiceMan

[LSM]

The Abilities in the combat forecast seem to be arranged in a consistent pattern of Personal/Class/Skill. And so far, while we know you can select the Skill Abilities (with a max five equippable) they seem to be pretty consistently organised as characters get them. 

So, anything left of Dimitri's Lances Prowess 4 is likely a Class Ability. (Though not guaranteed.)

Now, we know that Byleth starts with Skill levels high enough for Prowesses in Swords and Authority, Dimitri with Lances and Authority, and Dedue Lances, Axes, and Brawling. (Initially ordered in the same way the Skill Levels are, but as we see with Byleth's Faith, Prowesses learned later get added later. Counter to this is the one Ability that Byleth has between Swords and Authority, and I admit it is cheating to say that Byleth is the only one that has been played around with.) 

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As an aside, I this is why I think Felix starts with Swords D/Bows E+/Brawling, (we know Mercedes is Faith D/Reason E+), Ashe Bows D/Axes E+, Annette Reason D/Axes E+/Authority E+, Sylvain Lances D/Axes E+ (or vice versa, they may have neglected his Axes to make him a Cavalier), and Ingrid Lances D/Swords E+.

Edited July 7, 2019 by LSM

[Cysx]

1 hour ago, SpiceMan said:

While that is true, how do you know that those extra abilities are tied to the classes and not levelling up your weapons skills or through hidden talents. We have seen Dorothea gain an ability through hidden talents and it's just as fair to say that weapon ranks can give you extra abilities as it is to say classes give you extra ones. On the topic of the Cavalier extra abilities, from what I could see, Dimitri has 3 extra abilities that we did not know about ( The arrow shield, the boot and the fire arrow), if you say that these are cavalier abilities then why does Sylvain have none of them and instead has a different sparkly plus one. Sylvain is only 7 levels lower than Dimitri so why would he have 1 extra cavalier skill when Dimitri has 3 that are completely different. I say that these are not linked to classes but Weapon levels, hidden talents and possibly even Battalions that could grant skills. We don't know, and are just making assumptions as you said. I do think that classes might get a new skill on class mastery, but neither Dimitri nor Sylvain had yet achieved that.

Edit: In fact looking at the abilities section of this site, it says that the fire arrow is an ability linked to Authority. Therefore I think it is fair to say that other abilities would be linked to weapon levels, and not just combat arts. Perhaps Hubert's rally magic came from his Reason and not his class. That's what I think at least

For Ingrid, we do know because of the order, as said above. The new class skill we've never seen is between two class skills, so it is one as well:

Sylvain lacks one of the skills Dimitri has because class skills are logically tied to class mastery, in which Dimitri has 94/100 at the start and Sylvain 19/100. I'm saying the shield is a class ability(because it's to the left), the boot is unknown(could be from authority, lance 4, something else), and the flaming arrow we know about in fact, it's battalion wrath or something along those lines I believe. We've seen it being learned through tutoring of authority before.(woops you said that). It's not a guarantee that the shield is that though, it could have been reorganized to the left of lance 4. Hence why I said probably.

Some things are assumptions, others not so much. We know more than most people think at this point.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Cysx

[LSM]

Actually, on second thought: in the King of Beasts gameplay Dimitri is missing his Swords Prowess 1, which should be in the slot of that Chevron'd Shield. So maybe he gained it (from Riding?) and has subbed it in to that first slot?

[SpiceMan]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

The Abilities in the combat forecast seem to be arranged in a consistent pattern of Personal/Class/Skill. And so far, while we know you can select the Skill Abilities (with a max five equippable) they seem to be pretty consistently organised as characters get them.

 

1 hour ago, Cysx said:

Sylvain lacks one of the skills Dimitri has because class skills are logically tied to class mastery, in which Dimitri has 94/100 at the start and Sylvain 19/100.

Alright fair enough, That seems like it's probably true.

[Disclaimer]

Bit bothersome that Felix and Dedue's personals share an icon in those screens, given how different they are.