The Fire Emblem 3 Houses General Questions Thread

[MagicCanonBalls]

9 hours ago, haarhaarhaar said:

Yeah you can buy/replenish battalion and forge/repair weapons (same as in any battle menu), but you won't have access to the specialised merchants. So if necessary stock up on smithing materials in Ch.17

 

EDIT: To be clear, Ch.18 functions like any other battle, you just don't get any monastery time in between 17 and 18

Thanks. Luckily I didn't save over the latest file.

[darkblade2814]

Can I recruit everybody in a single playtrugh without a New game plus?

[Shadow Mir]

17 minutes ago, darkblade2814 said:

Can I recruit everybody in a single playtrugh without a New game plus?

Yes, but it's extremely impractical to do so.

[darkblade2814]

1 hour ago, Shadow Mir said:

Yes, but it's extremely impractical to do so.

I will try it anyways, do you know a good guide for the golden deer route?

[haarhaarhaar]

I actually did recruit everyone possible for VW - the easiest way to do it is play as F!Byleth to insta-recruit Sylvain, then buy A+ prof level and as many support ranks as possible for whoever you got on your NG play through. It's pretty easy to reach C-rank early simply by dining a lot if you're worried about the Renown costs. If you buy B-rank for a student, they have a random chance to ask to join your house on weekdays, and if you buy A-rank then you can recruit them without meeting any recruitment conditions. Note that if you want Caspar and Ferdinand early in VW then you will have to buy their B-rank support because you can't get it by normal means. Then tailor your Byleth build so that you're training her in whatever proficiencies the remaining un-recruited students want from you. I think I had the entire student body by Ch.4 or 5, and my first play through was CF (which gives you less Renown than other routes). Good luck!

[darkblade2814]

32 minutes ago, haarhaarhaar said:

I actually did recruit everyone possible for VW - the easiest way to do it is play as F!Byleth to insta-recruit Sylvain, then buy A+ prof level and as many support ranks as possible for whoever you got on your NG play through. It's pretty easy to reach C-rank early simply by dining a lot if you're worried about the Renown costs. If you buy B-rank for a student, they have a random chance to ask to join your house on weekdays, and if you buy A-rank then you can recruit them without meeting any recruitment conditions. Note that if you want Caspar and Ferdinand early in VW then you will have to buy their B-rank support because you can't get it by normal means. Then tailor your Byleth build so that you're training her in whatever proficiencies the remaining un-recruited students want from you. I think I had the entire student body by Ch.4 or 5, and my first play through was CF (which gives you less Renown than other routes). Good luck!

I'm trying to do it without the new game +

[haarhaarhaar]

As in on an NG+ save file but without spending renown, or on an NG save file? Even with first-hand game experience I'd say trying to recruit everyone on an NG save file is unreasonable on Maddening (mainly because you would be sacrificing a lot of other gameplay aspects in order to pull this off). If you just don't want to spend renown, then at least enjoying the passive benefits from NG+ (like keeping your progress on Renown statues) would help a little.

There are ways to raise your professor level quite quickly - I remember someone talking about leveraging the random seed drops you get early on, as well as the usual fishing and monastery stuff, to boost your professor exp really quickly. I can't remember exactly where that info was from, but apparently they reached professor level A by ch.9 - I'm sure the Internet will help you with the details. All you really need, however, is access to adjutants and at least 2 battle points (which IIRC requires prof level C and C+ respectively), although every extra activity point helps too. You should be getting C rank fairly quickly with your primary weapon - then use the rusted weapon exploit in auxiliary battles, it should theoretically take you 5-8 aux battles to get your remaining weapon and spell ranks to C or thereabouts (remembering to make Byleth adjutant when training her magic). The sooner you get to level 10, the sooner Byleth (ideally F!Byleth so you can get peg knight too) can change into armour knight/cav/peg knight, which all passively train movement types as well. Before Byleth reaches level 10 you should be focusing on upping movement types to D rank. All this work, plus spamming gifts and lost items to everyone, should mean that you're evenly spread at C/C+ for all ranks by Ch.8-9, by which point your stats + supports lowering requirements should be more than good enough to get any and every student (with the potential exceptions of Mag and Charm - make sure to do every tea time you can, and try and utilise gardening for Mag stat boosters). If you're struggling, the Sothis paralogue that becomes available in Ch. 8 will give you a knowledge gem that should make grinding easier too.

The above method (DISCLAIMER this is theory only I haven't tested it) should work on an NG save file, but you're putting yourself up for an insane amount of grinding, not to mention shortchanging all your recruited characters in favour of grinding up Byleth - it's still basically suicide on Maddening, especially since you'll want to have a little forethought to plan for Ch. 13, which is rough even on VW. Without using Renown, I don't think there's a more efficient way of recruiting every student. But if recruiting everyone is one of the main aims of the run, then doing this on Normal/Casual is achievable for sure. 

[darkblade2814]

11 minutes ago, haarhaarhaar said:

As in on an NG+ save file but without spending renown, or on an NG save file? Even with first-hand game experience I'd say trying to recruit everyone on an NG save file is unreasonable on Maddening (mainly because you would be sacrificing a lot of other gameplay aspects in order to pull this off). If you just don't want to spend renown, then at least enjoying the passive benefits from NG+ (like keeping your progress on Renown statues) would help a little.

There are ways to raise your professor level quite quickly - I remember someone talking about leveraging the random seed drops you get early on, as well as the usual fishing and monastery stuff, to boost your professor exp really quickly. I can't remember exactly where that info was from, but apparently they reached professor level A by ch.9 - I'm sure the Internet will help you with the details. All you really need, however, is access to adjutants and at least 2 battle points (which IIRC requires prof level C and C+ respectively), although every extra activity point helps too. You should be getting C rank fairly quickly with your primary weapon - then use the rusted weapon exploit in auxiliary battles, it should theoretically take you 5-8 aux battles to get your remaining weapon and spell ranks to C or thereabouts (remembering to make Byleth adjutant when training her magic). The sooner you get to level 10, the sooner Byleth (ideally F!Byleth so you can get peg knight too) can change into armour knight/cav/peg knight, which all passively train movement types as well. Before Byleth reaches level 10 you should be focusing on upping movement types to D rank. All this work, plus spamming gifts and lost items to everyone, should mean that you're evenly spread at C/C+ for all ranks by Ch.8-9, by which point your stats + supports lowering requirements should be more than good enough to get any and every student (with the potential exceptions of Mag and Charm - make sure to do every tea time you can, and try and utilise gardening for Mag stat boosters). If you're struggling, the Sothis paralogue that becomes available in Ch. 8 will give you a knowledge gem that should make grinding easier too.

The above method (DISCLAIMER this is theory only I haven't tested it) should work on an NG save file, but you're putting yourself up for an insane amount of grinding, not to mention shortchanging all your recruited characters in favour of grinding up Byleth - it's still basically suicide on Maddening, especially since you'll want to have a little forethought to plan for Ch. 13, which is rough even on VW. Without using Renown, I don't think there's a more efficient way of recruiting every student. But if recruiting everyone is one of the main aims of the run, then doing this on Normal/Casual is achievable for sure. 

as a my first file (I had to reset the switch, I lost all the old files)

[haarhaarhaar]

yeah the method I outlined above should theoretically work on a brand-new file - it will need a bit of planning, and I still wouldn't recommend it on Maddening though

[darkblade2814]

I Will play in normal, I'm no way good enough to play maddning

[haarhaarhaar]

To be honest you may not even need to bother with the rusted weapon exploit on Normal (I haven't played on Normal, so I don't know how much the exp growths are increased compared to other difficulties) - there's a decent chance that just by being strict about levelling up all your weapons efficiently, maximising supports and raising your prof level quickly, you can meet most requirements anyway. Using the method I outlined earlier should do it for sure, though, and recruitment will be quicker this way than just winging it.

Edited April 28, 2020 by haarhaarhaar

[darkblade2814]

thank you for the help

[Shadow Mir]

WIth regard to Ashe and Lorenz, if I recruited them in part 1 and I'm on any route where they appear as enemies after the timeskip, are whatever items and weapons they had on them automatically put back in the convoy when the timeskip occurs?

Edited April 29, 2020 by Shadow Mir

[haarhaarhaar]

No they remain in their inventory fully repaired, but obviously minus any weapon uses they spend in the battle you recruit them in - you have to wait to recruit them back before you get those weapons/items back

Edited April 29, 2020 by haarhaarhaar

[Tragonight]

How does buying S-supports with NG+ work? I was just able to buy some S-supports that I never unlocked, for some characters (Annette, Leonie, Hapi, Constance, etc.) but I'm unable to buy them for others (such as Mercedes). I know that if I unlock an S-support after beating the game, I can obviously buy that one with renown, but why am I able to buy some that I've never unlocked before?

(Note: If it matters, I've beaten all 4 routes, once as MByleth, three times as FByleth, and currently on my fifth route as MByleth)

I want to unlock as many S-supports as I can, maybe even all of them, so if there's any faster way I can do about this (besides beating the final maps over and over again), it would help a lot.

[whase]

6 hours ago, Tragonight said:

How does buying S-supports with NG+ work? I was just able to buy some S-supports that I never unlocked, for some characters (Annette, Leonie, Hapi, Constance, etc.) but I'm unable to buy them for others (such as Mercedes). I know that if I unlock an S-support after beating the game, I can obviously buy that one with renown, but why am I able to buy some that I've never unlocked before?

(Note: If it matters, I've beaten all 4 routes, once as MByleth, three times as FByleth, and currently on my fifth route as MByleth)

I want to unlock as many S-supports as I can, maybe even all of them, so if there's any faster way I can do about this (besides beating the final maps over and over again), it would help a lot.

I recently noticed this as well, apparently if you got enough support points to view a certain support, you can then buy that support on the next NG+, even if you haven't actually viewed the support. Buying an S support won't allow you to view it though, for that you still need to select that unit before the final chapter.

That does make me wonder though, does buying an S support give you the S support linked attack bonus?

[MagicCanonBalls]

I am doing NG+ Maddening SS, no Hero's Relic run (except Sword of Creator). I need some opinion on my recruitment plan and who should be the dancer. (Dorothea and Marianne were my dancers in previous runs so they are out.)

For paralogue purposes:Leonie, Lysithea  Marianne, Ashe (poor guy get recruited every time then get benched after his paralogue)

Tutor them to prepare for BL maddening: Felix, Annette

My house members classes in mind.

Ferdinand: War master

Dorothea: Gremory

Caspar: wyvern.

Bernadetta: falcon or bow knight.

Male Byleth: Dark Bishop/Dark Knight

Petra: Assassin. Linhardt: Bishop/mortal savant

 

[LoneStar]

1 hour ago, MagicCanonBalls said:

I am doing NG+ Maddening SS, no Hero's Relic run (except Sword of Creator). I need some opinion on my recruitment plan and who should be the dancer. (Dorothea and Marianne were my dancers in previous runs so they are out.)

For paralogue purposes:Leonie, Lysithea  Marianne, Ashe (poor guy get recruited every time then get benched after his paralogue)

Tutor them to prepare for BL maddening: Felix, Annette

My house members classes in mind.

Ferdinand: War master

Dorothea: Gremory

Caspar: wyvern.

Bernadetta: falcon or bow knight.

Male Byleth: Dark Bishop/Dark Knight

Petra: Assassin. Linhardt: Bishop/mortal savant

 

I'm guessing you have ways of dealing with CH13 since you are doing NG+, like maybe White Magic Avoid. I'd swap Ferdinand and Caspar's classes, the game gives you these options, but clearly somethings are more optimal than others. You can go with War Master Ferdinand, a pair-up with Armor/Brawler Lorenz would be good.

Ingrid can be a good dancer for the same reasons that Dorothea and Marianne are if you want someone new.

Are you planning on recruiting Leonie, Marriane, and Lysithea just for their paralouges? Seems like a waste especially since those are post-time skip, and those maps aren't trivial (i.e. no warp skipping). I guess Marianne is whatever, but Lysthea and Leonie are solid. You could go along with most of the characters you have listed, along with Seteth and maybe Falcon Knight. Catherine.

[MagicCanonBalls]

11 minutes ago, LoneStar said:

I'm guessing you have ways of dealing with CH13 since you are doing NG+, like maybe White Magic Avoid. I'd swap Ferdinand and Caspar's classes, the game gives you these options, but clearly somethings are more optimal than others. You can go with War Master Ferdinand, a pair-up with Armor/Brawler Lorenz would be good.

Ingrid can be a good dancer for the same reasons that Dorothea and Marianne are if you want someone new.

Are you planning on recruiting Leonie, Marriane, and Lysithea just for their paralouges? Seems like a waste especially since those are post-time skip, and those maps aren't trivial (i.e. no warp skipping). I guess Marianne is whatever, but Lysthea and Leonie are solid. You could go along with most of the characters you have listed, along with Seteth and maybe Falcon Knight. Catherine.

I completed CF maddening with Ferdi as Wyvern; Caspar as war master. Which is why i wanted to switch it up a bit. For the paralogue part I just enjoy doing them, especially Marianne's for material farming and routing every monster.

I am certainly gonna train those paralogue units to be decent at combat. I just don't want to spread exp too thin. Besides deployment slots aren't enough to use all of them. Maybe after getting through Ch13 then I can start focusing on non BE units.

As for Ch.13. My plan is to switch into wyvern rider if i couldnt complete it in magic class. 

I guess my biggest concern right now is the dancer slot. I am not gonna recruit Ingrid or Lorenz because I want to fight them post timeskip. I am really not sure I can play through Maddening without a dancer.

 

[haarhaarhaar]

4 hours ago, whase said:

I recently noticed this as well, apparently if you got enough support points to view a certain support, you can then buy that support on the next NG+, even if you haven't actually viewed the support. Buying an S support won't allow you to view it though, for that you still need to select that unit before the final chapter.

That does make me wonder though, does buying an S support give you the S support linked attack bonus?

IIRC every time you get an S-rank with Byleth in a playthrough, the game allows you to unlock one S-rank of the opposite orientation as well on your NG+ chain. Only the characters you've previously gotten to S-rank, but couldn't get the card for because of Byleth's gender in that playthrough or because you chose someone else (in the case of bisexual characters) are eligible for this. The actual ending card is still locked, I believe, (so you only see one S-rank per playthrough) but the number of S ranks you can actually buy = the ones you've seen on previous playthroughs + the number of completed playthroughs in your NG+ chain. So for @Tragonight they should theoretically have been able to unlock S-ranks with anyone they had previously gotten to S, but only up to eight characters, four of whom they have had already had ending cards for. I think that's how it's supposed to work (and yes you should then get S-support linked attack bonuses)

[Tragonight]

18 hours ago, whase said:

I recently noticed this as well, apparently if you got enough support points to view a certain support, you can then buy that support on the next NG+, even if you haven't actually viewed the support. Buying an S support won't allow you to view it though, for that you still need to select that unit before the final chapter.

That does make me wonder though, does buying an S support give you the S support linked attack bonus?

Strangely enough, I can view the S-supports on my Support Log. So I can buy some that I've never unlocked, save it to another file, and then the S-supports would be available to view in my Support Log. They've all defaulted to Silver Snow endgame supports (my second route completed route, as MByleth) for some reason, I wonder why that is.

 

@haarhaarhaar Very interesting. I was in fact able to unlock a total of 8 S-supports, but these were all new characters that I have never unlocked before. How are the characters determined? The only new male support that I've unlocked through buying is Hanneman (wtf lmao), which doesn't make sense to me since I've never used him in any playthrough, so I couldn't have unlocked it via support points (even though he does have Rally Magic which makes it easier to build). Why can I buy some S-supports, but not others? The NG+ showed me which supports were available ahead of time, and they seemed a bit random. I completed 3 routes without the DLC, but I could buy Hapi's and Constance's S-supports (on 5th run right now), which was really weird.

[haarhaarhaar]

22 hours ago, Tragonight said:

 Very interesting. I was in fact able to unlock a total of 8 S-supports, but these were all new characters that I have never unlocked before. How are the characters determined? The only new male support that I've unlocked through buying is Hanneman (wtf lmao), which doesn't make sense to me since I've never used him in any playthrough, so I couldn't have unlocked it via support points (even though he does have Rally Magic which makes it easier to build). Why can I buy some S-supports, but not others? The NG+ showed me which supports were available ahead of time, and they seemed a bit random. I completed 3 routes without the DLC, but I could buy Hapi's and Constance's S-supports (on 5th run right now), which was really weird

That's really interesting, and definitely worthy of investigation if it hasn't been done already. It's especially surprising that characters you've never raised support with before are suddenly buyable - my current NG+ run is my first with the DLC and it doesn't let me buy any of the Ashen Wolves supports, even though S-rank is buyable with most other eligible characters in the game on that NG+ chain. Maybe it's a random process - the game just picks one character that wasn't eligible for S-ranking because of Byleth's gender in a given run, and allows for that S rank to be buyable on future playthroughs of the NG+ chain. 

[Silent Mercenary]

On 5/1/2020 at 10:28 PM, Tragonight said:

Strangely enough, I can view the S-supports on my Support Log. So I can buy some that I've never unlocked, save it to another file, and then the S-supports would be available to view in my Support Log. They've all defaulted to Silver Snow endgame supports (my second route completed route, as MByleth) for some reason, I wonder why that is.

 

@haarhaarhaar Very interesting. I was in fact able to unlock a total of 8 S-supports, but these were all new characters that I have never unlocked before. How are the characters determined? The only new male support that I've unlocked through buying is Hanneman (wtf lmao), which doesn't make sense to me since I've never used him in any playthrough, so I couldn't have unlocked it via support points (even though he does have Rally Magic which makes it easier to build). Why can I buy some S-supports, but not others? The NG+ showed me which supports were available ahead of time, and they seemed a bit random. I completed 3 routes without the DLC, but I could buy Hapi's and Constance's S-supports (on 5th run right now), which was really weird.

If you've never reached a Hanneman support, do you recall if you've selected dialogue choices he disliked? I am wondering if a sort of underflow occurred, or if the game has taken note that you haven't reached any support with those characters that would have been available, and is encouraging you to try them. Maybe ~0 support points = 1001 (S) for the NG+ supports screen, or it was something rolled down in an update, or from some dialogue choice that affects multiple characters but doesn't show it. I'll take note of this for the support point thread and I'd be really interested on any extra details you can provide. 

[Tragonight]

15 hours ago, Silent Mercenary said:

If you've never reached a Hanneman support, do you recall if you've selected dialogue choices he disliked? I am wondering if a sort of underflow occurred, or if the game has taken note that you haven't reached any support with those characters that would have been available, and is encouraging you to try them. Maybe ~0 support points = 1001 (S) for the NG+ supports screen, or it was something rolled down in an update, or from some dialogue choice that affects multiple characters but doesn't show it. I'll take note of this for the support point thread and I'd be really interested on any extra details you can provide. 

Oh, no, I've definitely unlocked supports for Hanneman, I've just never unlocked his S-support by choice. I have unlocked his A support, but I don't remember if I did that originally as MByleth or FByleth. On one hand, it might have been MByleth because that was my first run and I was going around unlocking as many supports as possible, but on the other hand, most of my playthroughs (particularly NG+ ones) were as FByleth. I have only deployed him a few times for Rally Magic spam to get his supports (I stopped after getting all of his A supports), and he never fought in combat, but that shouldn't matter here.

Sorry for any confusion. I've unlocked nearly every support in the game, excluding S-supports, but Hanneman is the only new male S-support I can buy from NG+. I've never used him to fight, but I doubt that I abused Rally Magic on any Byleth enough to reach the 1001 point threshold. I don't think I've ever shared a meal with him either, if that makes a difference.

[Silent Mercenary]

8 hours ago, Tragonight said:

Oh, no, I've definitely unlocked supports for Hanneman, I've just never unlocked his S-support by choice. I have unlocked his A support, but I don't remember if I did that originally as MByleth or FByleth. On one hand, it might have been MByleth because that was my first run and I was going around unlocking as many supports as possible, but on the other hand, most of my playthroughs (particularly NG+ ones) were as FByleth. I have only deployed him a few times for Rally Magic spam to get his supports (I stopped after getting all of his A supports), and he never fought in combat, but that shouldn't matter here.

Sorry for any confusion. I've unlocked nearly every support in the game, excluding S-supports, but Hanneman is the only new male S-support I can buy from NG+. I've never used him to fight, but I doubt that I abused Rally Magic on any Byleth enough to reach the 1001 point threshold. I don't think I've ever shared a meal with him either, if that makes a difference.

Oh, that turns down the underflow theory. However, it seems like you use Hanneman quite a bit. Faculty gain around 45% extra support points from things like gifts/lost items, faculty training, and instructing them in lessons. There's also a point gained for deploying, so it's looking likely that you finished up the 1001 support points indirectly.