How to redeem fire emblem to my friends

[Smfthegeek]

ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM TO ANYONE, THEY CALL IT WAIFU ANIME TRASH!!! 😧 No matter how I try to explain gameplay people just shove fanart of Nowi and Tiki in my face

[PeaceRibbon]

Perhaps hook them on the conversation by relating it to something they like. For example, if a friend of yours is really into a character similar to a Fire Emblem unit, try starting a discussion about their similarities and differences. "Oh yeah, [insert character]! Their revenge arc reminds me a little bit of Lyn's similar arc from Fire Emblem."

If it's really the anime artstyle that bothers them, that might be difficult to overcome, but you could make a point of highlighting characters who don't reflect waifu culture all that much (like *gasp* many of the male characters), and give them a gentle reminder that some pervy artist on the internet isn't a reflection of everyone who likes the series, nor necessarily reflects the series' own treatment of its characters.

[Captain Karnage]

your friends have good taste and/or need to have the police called on them for the art

[BrightBow]

You shouldn't try to trick your friends.

[Florete]

Show them porn of their favorite stuff and call that waifu trash.

Every fandom has that side.

[Glennstavos]

I've introduced a lot of people to Fire Emblem over the years and never got a response like that. Tell your friends they need to get out more if all they see is porn. I can't stand anime but I never go for cheap shots like that when other people show interest.

Also, talk about how there just aren't a lot of games like Fire Emblem. Strategy RPGs are really engaging. 

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

They're trash.

[Bloom]

I clicked on this after reading the title and I was gonna say do what my friend did, beg us to play Awakening until we tried it and found the marriage parts... until I read the post. lol

[Ertrick36]

15 minutes ago, Florete said:

Show them porn of their favorite stuff and call that waifu trash.

Every fandom has that side.

This is some upper tier cleverness.

1 hour ago, Smfthegeek said:

No matter how I try to explain gameplay people just shove fanart of Nowi and Tiki in my face

Stop visiting 8chan and GameFAQs, lmao

[Dragoncat]

1 hour ago, PeaceRibbon said:

Perhaps hook them on the conversation by relating it to something they like. For example, if a friend of yours is really into a character similar to a Fire Emblem unit, try starting a discussion about their similarities and differences. "Oh yeah, [insert character]! Their revenge arc reminds me a little bit of Lyn's similar arc from Fire Emblem."

If it's really the anime artstyle that bothers them, that might be difficult to overcome, but you could make a point of highlighting characters who don't reflect waifu culture all that much (like *gasp* many of the male characters), and give them a gentle reminder that some pervy artist on the internet isn't a reflection of everyone who likes the series, nor necessarily reflects the series' own treatment of its characters.

Seconded. And if they don't respond positively after you do this, then sadly they probably never will, so you're better off dropping it there. 

Some people aren't into any video game that isn't Halo or Fortnite or CoD etc. Some people don't like video games that tell a story like a movie would, they just want to shoot things and see blood splatters. To each their own but they don't know what they're missing.

[BrightBow]

1 hour ago, Florete said:

Show them porn of their favorite stuff and call that waifu trash.

Every fandom has that side.

But it's not about what the fandom does, isn't it? It's about what the franchise itself is. And well, I can't think of too many franchises where you can impregnate little children.
It's very obvious where the series' priorities are right now, so this kind of reputation is well deserved.

Edited July 17 by BrightBow

[Siskan]

18 minutes ago, Dragoncat said:

Some people aren't into any video game that isn't Halo or Fortnite or CoD etc. Some people don't like video games that tell a story like a movie would, they just want to shoot things and see blood splatters. To each their own but they don't know what they're missing.

This is the sad truth. It''s almost impossible to convince those gamers there's anything else you can get enjoyment out of.

@Smfthegeek Now if the friends in question aren't like that, explaining that such fan art isn't representative of the actual game content would be the first step, actually I think they know and just want to tease you, but still. It might also be a good idea to pitch one of the earlier games with less fanservice first. Also explain what you like about those games and try to find similarities to the games they play. If they're close friends you might even want to lend them a game. The threshold for them to try will be greatly reduced that way.

 

[BrightBow]

I wonder if fans of other franchises like Senran Kagura or whatever are so insecure about what their games are about.

Edited July 17 by BrightBow

[Florete]

54 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

But it's not about what the fandom does, isn't it? It's about what the franchise itself is. And well, I can't think of too many franchises where you can impregnate little children.
It's very obvious where the series' priorities are right now, so this kind of reputation is well deserved.

The issue he brought up is something the fans did. He mentioned fanart, likely of the risque kind.

[Flere210]

If tgey are retrogamer, tell them that there is an older fire emblem that is like game of thrones and have them play genealogy. If they do, the nay be more responsive to try newer games later.

Edited July 17 by Flere210

[Rose482]

3 hours ago, Smfthegeek said:

ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM TO ANYONE, THEY CALL IT WAIFU ANIME TRASH!!!

I mean.....they aren't wrong though : P 

JK JK.

Hmmm...honestly I feel you, I've been trying to get my friends to play into FE as well, and sadly I failed every time, so I sorta just gave up by now.

[BrightBow]

33 minutes ago, Florete said:

The issue he brought up is something the fans did. He mentioned fanart, likely of the risque kind.

Well, sure. But those friends are still right. They may be right for the wrong reasons but they are still right.

I mean, she could try showing them Nowi's official art, but I wouldn't bet on that improving their opinion all that much.

Edited July 17 by BrightBow

[Florete]

6 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

Well, sure. But those friends are still right. They may be right for the wrong reasons but they are still right.

I mean, she could try showing them Nowi's official art, but I wouldn't bet on that improving their opinion all that much.

Yeah, it was a mistake responding to you.

Everyone knows by now you hate this series. Why do you still post here?

[Ottservia]

3 hours ago, Smfthegeek said:

ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM TO ANYONE, THEY CALL IT WAIFU ANIME TRASH!!!

I mean they’re not necessarily wrong. If you want my opinion, I personally don’t see any problem with it though. I mean games are still good aren’t they? The very same could be said of many other critically acclaimed franchises such as Persona and once again I really don’t see the problem. What’s the harm in a little fanservice here or there if the core experience is still fun?

[Rose482]

2 minutes ago, Ottservia said:

I mean they’re not necessarily wrong. If you want my opinion, I personally don’t see any problem with it though. I mean games are still good aren’t they? The very same could be said of many other critically acclaimed franchises such as Persona and once again I really don’t see the problem. What’s the harm in a little fanservice here or there if the core experience is still fun?

I guess to some people it can make the game feel less serious :/

And honestly I feel like the people who hate waifu culture aren't fans of the Persona series most of the time anyway, but hey it's them who's missing out.

[BrightBow]

Just now, Florete said:

Yeah, it was a mistake responding to you.

Everyone knows by now you hate this series. Why do you still post here?

I "hate the series"? Really?

[Zihark11]

I mean if they have that attitude they have probably only played the newer games like awakening, fates and heroes because the series isn't all about that at all. its also partly the communities fault for sexualizing it to much. Three houses so far from what ive seen has died down a bit in that area while still letting fans interact with there favorite character etc. 

[BrightBow]

Look, just because a game is blatantly designed as wank fodder doesn't mean it's not worth playing. Dead or Alive is an excellent fighting game, for example.
And in my case, one of my favorite games I played in the last few years is a literal porn game, because as it turns out that one actually had really good and unique gameplay.

But let's call a duck a duck. People outside of the community aren't wrong for judging the series by the way it presents itself. And even when playing, the attitude that went into designing the characters and stories is very obvious.

Edited July 17 by BrightBow

[Specta]

even looking at fates - which I'd say is the worst of it for this - I have issues seeing it as wank fodder, but maybe my threshold for what constitutes rank fodder is more overt. like, yeah, there's some provocative and questionable design and it's filled with shallow anime cliches but it's like minor elements not really an overarching theme in the game

i'm not entirely sure how one could argue the other games are presented that way

[AnonymousSpeed]

So, with regards to any suggestions involving showing porn to people-

Don't.

That's stupid.

It's as far from conflict resolution as I care to imagine you could get in this case.

You should feel bad.

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Now, personally, I do think these games are anime trash. I enjoy playing them anyway, but I don't think that's excuse to ignore valid criticisms.

PeaceRibbon's suggestion was good.

An older game would also be good. You're playing FE7, right? So just show them FE7. It's a fairly tame game, as I recall.