New Heroes Approach: Three Houses (July 22 ~)

[XRay]

8 hours ago, Xenomata said:

How do you have the brain energy to do this at 1 in the morning...?

Perhaps perhaps... though otherwise I can only see a few semi-useful advantages to taking Quad Thunder over Blarblade.
>Hit-hit-hit-Luna trigger (except against Guard/Special Fighter/Halloween2018 weapons)
>Atk and Spd will be too low to trigger Chills on Olwen, besides maybe Gunnthra's Chilling Seal. Heck, she can attack Kliff without setting off Saggitae.
>The enemy will underestimate Olwen and lose at least one unit to her.

I sleep in the morning to make up for it. And since everyone is practically running the same build, it is not too bad.

As A skills get stronger, Brave Weapons scale better than their regular one hit counterparts. Once Brazen Atk/Spd get to tier 7 (Atk+15, Spd +19; I am assuming it will have an additional Atk+2 and Spd+3 for each additional tier, and Enemy Phase A skills remain stagnant), her Dire Thunder will slightly outperform Blárblade. For GA!Lucina, before Tier 4 A skills and Brazen Atk/Spd Sacred Seal were released, her Thögn was just slightly weaker than Brave Bow; but now with a higher stat ceiling, Thögn has fallen significantly behind in performance. Thögn is still pretty effective and competitive for budget players, but as players invest into GA!Lucina more, Brave Bow becomes the better option. For SK!Alm, Brave Bow has just slightly eclipsed Lunar Arc at the stat ceiling, so unless you are a whale with a Brazen fetish, Lunar Arc is still the better option for most setups for now.

Yeah, pure Res tanks with Guard can be a problem, but with how ridiculous Brazen Atk/Spd 7 is, she can still knock out some Spd/Res or Def/Res tanks with Guard because they did not stack enough Res. Olwen also has an edge compared to GA!Lucina since a lot of tanks focus on Def rather than Res, especially armor tanks. SK!Alm is still better by virtue of being colorless.

Edited July 19, 2019 by XRay

[Kiran_]

I'm actually ... disappointed in all the artwork? None of them are in a style I personally find appealing. Edelgard & Claude's face looks odd to me, especially in their attack art (their portrait art is fine). 

Dimitri's dark shading/cartoon vibe is especially jarring, he reminds me of Jakob/Arthur/Raven. That's not a compliment. I also don't like what they did to his OG ugly haircut. 

And F!Byleth looks ... hideous. Her eyes are just ... atrociously spaced and large. She's my personal biggest offender, which I'm sad about.

But overall, none of their art is doing it for me, despite me REALLY being excited by Three Houses, wanting the characters. I might just use the free summoning tickets for Claude (I don't mind another archer/calvary), but I don't think I'll actually spend any orbs on this banner, which I'm a little sad about. Well, at least I get free M!Byleth who also not my FAV art style, but still miles better than any of these 4. I kinda wish they got the artist from 3H to do the artwork, I like that style miles better. 

[daisy jane]

what on earth does "too fanservicy" mean? 

[XRay]

14 minutes ago, daisy jane said:

what on earth does "too fanservicy" mean? 

Depends on the person, it is pretty subjective. Kronya does not strike me as a fanservice character, but some people think she is just because she got big boobs and showing some cleavage. If her outfit is considered fanservice by some people, then they should probably avoid attending formal parties and watching award shows, where a lot of dresses are kind of in that style with exposed shoulders and more open cleavage.

[Anacybele]

2 hours ago, omegaxis1 said:

I mean, the number of fanservice girls are already at, what, two? I think only her and Manuela are the only ones that are really fanservice. 

I think you're writing someone off a little too easily simply based on her being "fanservice". Having a design that seems to be "fanservice" doesn't necessarily mean that she is. 

Your opinion. But it doesn't change mine.

[Roflolxp54]

Banner's an easy skip, especially as I'm overall not too interested in Three Houses and it's a 4-Focus banner with 1 unit per color.

Planning to spend my freebies on blue in hopes of getting Dmitri for Death Blow 4. Not expecting any demotions from this banner.

[Stroud]

54 minutes ago, Kiran_ said:

And F!Byleth looks ... hideous. Her eyes are just ... atrociously spaced and large. She's my personal biggest offender, which I'm sad about

Wasn't it always something people didn't like. F!Byleths eyes being bigger compared to M!Byleth. I am also not to fond, because I think she should also look a bit more strict like M!Byleth. Which is a shame. But I can accept her Soul staring eyes. 

About Dimitri's art I find it ok, but I guess here it is a matter of taste. 

Overall I think its good to hold the horse on this banner and just try to be lucky with the Tickets. Glad about having a new Female Infantry axe, but I have been kind of greedy lately and want to have more than 700 orbs so I am prepared for the next months.. also Brave Banner is not so far ahead. 

[Anacybele]

35 minutes ago, XRay said:

Depends on the person, it is pretty subjective. Kronya does not strike me as a fanservice character, but some people think she is just because she got big boobs and showing some cleavage. If her outfit is considered fanservice by some people, then they should probably avoid attending formal parties and watching award shows, where a lot of dresses are kind of in that style with exposed shoulders and more open cleavage.

Who the hell in real life would wear a top like that that shows nearly all of their breasts? Even in some photos from those award shows and such that you're talking about, women didn't wear anything that exposed that much of their breasts. It's more than SOME cleavage. It's a lot of cleavage. It covers nothing but perhaps the nipples, exposing just about everything else. And you pointed out yourself that she is kind of busty. How that isn't fanservice to you, I'm not sure.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Anacybele

[Othin]

Byleth has the most appealing set to me, but from a character perspective, she feels more redundant than the others since I'll already be getting male Byleth. I'll have to see how his set compares to figure out how I want to use my free pull. Definitely don't want to go for Claude since unlike the others, I do think he could plausibly demote, even though the odds aren't great.

Speaking of male Byleth, I do think he'll get the Ayra/Rhajat treatment. Maybe on the Heroes with Close Def banner? Unlike Rhajat, they haven't specifically said where he'll be released, but they did say he'll be in summoning events starting this month, and he'll be free for a lot of people anyway, so it shouldn't go that bad.

Seems that by having a sixth Three Houses banner but also delaying one until August, likely to pair with the CYL banner, they're making it so that each month maintains the usual 11 units. 4+1 units early in the month, another 4+1 later, and then an elemental hero at the end. Hope they'll continue to maintain that later on, for stuff like Farfetched Heroes and any OC banners.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Othin

[MilodicMellodi]

I noticed that he used my calculations for the Tibarn and 50 Atk Dragon scenarios, I'm glad my math helped him 😄

[XRay]

5 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Who the hell in real life would wear a top like that that shows nearly all of their breasts? Even in some photos from those award shows and such that you're talking about, women didn't wear anything that exposed that much of their breasts. It's more than SOME cleavage. It's a lot of cleavage. It covers nothing but perhaps the nipples, exposing just about everything else. And you pointed out yourself that she is kind of busty. How that isn't fanservice to you, I'm not sure.

It is only a simple Google search away. Google Images show plenty of women with lots of exposed middle cleavage for award shows. Kronya's dress does not just cover only the nipples, she is not wearing pasties; her dress has less exposed middle cleavage but more side boob exposure compared to dresses in Google Images but that is about it.

Big boobs alone does not automatically mean fanservice, you need the whole package or at least most of the package, and Kronya is missing a lot from that package. Kronya's dress is not that titillating and she looks kind of crazy, the bad kind of crazy. Maybe some fraction of guys will find that crazy look attractive, but I do not think most would. We have slang phrase called "don't stick your dick in crazy."

[Othin]

5 minutes ago, XRay said:

Maybe some fraction of guys will find that crazy look attractive, but I do not think most would. We have slang phrase called "don't stick your dick in crazy."

I mean. The existence of that saying implies the existence of a number of people who, left to their own devices, would do the contrary. Tropes like yandere offer an outlet for those desires without the real-world consequences.

[Anacybele]

9 minutes ago, XRay said:

It is only a simple Google search away. Google Images show plenty of women with lots of exposed middle cleavage for award shows. Kronya's dress does not just cover only the nipples, she is not wearing pasties; her dress has less exposed middle cleavage but more side boob exposure compared to dresses in Google Images but that is about it.

Big boobs alone does not automatically mean fanservice, you need the whole package or at least most of the package, and Kronya is missing a lot from that package. Kronya's dress is not that titillating and she looks kind of crazy, the bad kind of crazy. Maybe some fraction of guys will find that crazy look attractive, but I do not think most would. We have slang phrase called "don't stick your dick in crazy."

None of the women I see in that search are exposing as much of their boobs as Kronya is though. Kronya has plenty of the package, I have no idea why you're saying she doesn't. I didn't say big boobs alone was fanservicey either. She has big boobs AND a lot of cleavage.

[daisy jane]

37 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Who the hell in real life would wear a top like that that shows nearly all of their breasts? Even in some photos from those award shows and such that you're talking about, women didn't wear anything that exposed that much of their breasts. It's more than SOME cleavage. It's a lot of cleavage. It covers nothing but perhaps the nipples, exposing just about everything else. And you pointed out yourself that she is kind of busty. How that isn't fanservice to you, I'm not sure.

easy. a tonne of people. 

but i think that's what drives me crazy. people are entitled to their opinion, but  think this is an opinion i don't get. First of all - why does busty = fan service? Women come in all shapes and sizes, and I am not understanding why if a female character happens to be say a D+ cup it's "oh look, it's the fanservice person." and that also has to equal dislike/hate/mocking. it's just breasts and cleavage for goodness sake. 

when i asekd what "fanservice" meant - it was also kin to - like. people get mad, that the game takes measures to appeal to a lot of fans. making a game IS fanservice. like. hey look a lot of fans wanted casual mode - casual mode - is a fanservice. a lot of people really enjoyed mila's turnwheel - that's in the game now - and that's a fanservice. 

so yah if they want to go for the 'busty-almost exposed person." that could be considered as a "fanservice." but i don't get why that's any different than other aspects of the game. because usually there's also that guy who is topless or really flirty, or whatever, and no one goes. "omg fanservice." it's the game's job to attract many types of people. not liking her simply because she has a big chest and want to show off their cleavage and we know nothing else about this character makes no sense to me. 

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by daisy jane

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, daisy jane said:

easy. a tonne of people. 

but i think that's what drives me crazy. people are entitled to their opinion, but  think this is an opinion i don't get. First of all - why does busty = fan service? Women come in all shapes and sizes, and I am not understanding why if a female character happens to be say a D+ cup it's "oh look, it's the fanservice person." and that also has to equal dislike/hate/mocking. it's just breasts for goodness sake. 

when i asekd what "fanservice" meant - it was also kin to - like. people get mad, that the game takes measures to appeal to a lot of fans. making a game IS fanservice. like. hey look a lot of fans wanted casual mode - casual mode - is a fanservice. a lot of people really enjoyed mila's turnwheel - that's in the game now - and that's a fanservice. 

so yah if they want to go for the 'busty-almost exposed person." that could be considered as a "fanservice." but i don't get why that's any different than other aspects of the game. because usually there's also that guy who is topless or really flirty, or whatever, and no one goes. "omg fanservice." it's the game's job to attract many types of people. not liking her simply because she has a big chest and we know nothing else about this character makes no sense to me. 

 

Why do people keep assuming I think big boobs alone means fanservice? I NEVER SAID THIS. I said the boobs AND the insane cleavage is fanservice.

[daisy jane]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Why do people keep assuming I think big boobs alone means fanservice? I NEVER SAID THIS. I said the boobs AND the insane cleavage is fanservice.

and i am saying, no it's not. it's boobs and cleavage and the character feels comfortable in her body to show it off. not liking a character because she has a big chest and cleavage to me makes no sense. especially when we know jacksquat else about the character. claiming it's fanservice because it's a big chest and cleavage makes no sense to me either. 

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, daisy jane said:

and i am saying, no it's not. it's boobs and cleavage and the character feels comfortable in her body to show it off. not liking a character because she has a big chest and cleavage to me makes no sense. especially when we know jacksquat else about the character. claiming it's fanservice because it's a big chest and cleavage makes no sense to me either. 

Very weird, you're the one making no sense to me. I don't get how this isn't fanservice at ALL.

I also don't get why I'm being bashed for just having an opinion.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Anacybele

[MilodicMellodi]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Very weird, you're the one making no sense to me. I don't get how this isn't fanservice at ALL.

I also don't get why I'm being bashed for an opinion.

It's fanservice for us, but they show of their cleavage because they feel comfortable doing so. Just look at the difference between Adrift!Camilla and every other version of her. Notice how Adrift!Camilla hides her cleavage, while the others don't? Adrift!Camilla is shy — something she clearly shows in her dialogue — and the other versions clearly aren't (and they clearly show it in their designs).

So everyone's right in this case. Let's just drop it and keep with the actual topic?

[XRay]

23 minutes ago, Othin said:

I mean. The existence of that saying implies the existence of a number of people who, left to their own devices, would do the contrary. Tropes like yandere offer an outlet for those desires without the real-world consequences.

The difference between Kronya and a yandere is that a yandere offers a ton more attractive qualities to balance out the danger, and as long as you are not being an idiot, a yandere is not going to kill you. Yanderes can be jealous, petty, and violent, but they can also be dere-dere and very caring. Kronya just looks plain crazy. Kronya has to do more than that if she wants to be fanservice material for most guys and her outfit from that picture is not even skimpy.

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I rewatched the video but I cannot seem to find Kronya. Where did she appear in? I thought she was at the end, but I think that is Líf.

Edited July 19, 2019 by XRay

[Vince777]

I am comfortable calling it "fan service" and also consider it to be quite fine. So what if it is? Guy that says he wouldn't do it with crazy? Come on. I sure would. Kronya looks fantastic. 

Let's stop being prude fucks. Not all characters are like that, unlike what you'll see in some other crappy gasha games that clearly aim for that goal ALL the time. That isn't Fire Emblem Heroes.

Yes there are a few Camillas and Lokis but they are scarce. Do we need to complain everytime it happens? 

[Michelaar]

18 minutes ago, XRay said:

The difference between Kronya and a yandere is that a yandere offers a ton more attractive qualities to balance out the danger, and as long as you are not being an idiot, a yandere is not going to kill you. Yanderes can be jealous, petty, and violent, but they can also be dere-dere and very caring. Kronya just looks plain crazy. Kronya has to do more than that if she wants to be fanservice material for most guys and her outfit from that picture is not even skimpy.

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I rewatched the video but I cannot seem to find Kronya. Where did she appear in? I thought she was at the end, but I think that is Líf.

She was just mentioned in the notifications, never actually shown/

[Sunwoo]

The art of Kronya posted on this thread makes her look unhealthily pale, washed out, and nuts. Which is why I'm already iffy on her based on just what she looks like. Can't say I'm a fan of "crazy" characters unless they're done really well. Sho Minamimoto from TWEWY was a pretty good "nutty" character that I still like. Kronya gives me "actually evil Peri" vibes.

[MilodicMellodi]

Okay, I'm going to just try to derail this triggeredness (which looks to have calmed a bit) and discuss the units a bit more. Specifically, what different builds they could do to fulfill certain niches.

Edelgard has firmly planted herself as a solo specialist, so there's not too much you can do there. Still, with Pheonixmaster speculating she'll have extremely high Atk and Def, it's fair to say that she would thrive with Ignis and Heavy Blade (since her weapon has a Killer effect that puts Ignis down to 3, and with her guaranteed follow-up she's pretty much guaranteed to activate it every battle). With her natural Solo Atk/Def and Rouse Atk/Def, that 35 will rise to 47 (50 with a boon, or 51 with a superboon), making Ignis deal 40 damage. That's pretty great.

Like I've said before, Dimitri can mostly control his weapon's condition if he's given Sol. You can also give him Distant Counter to make use of Lull Atk/Def during the Enemy Phase, though if Pheonixmaster's right about his 21 Res he probably won't do well against magic users. He could have his own niche as an Enemy Phase anti-sword (and maybe even anti-lance) unit if he's given Steady Breath and either Atk or Def Smoke. Due to his speculated high Def, he can also do well with either Ignis or Bonfire, though probably the latter since his own weapon doesn't include the Killer effect Edelgard's does.

Claude is kind of obvious, considering his weapon's condition when combined with Lull and Smoke skills. His own Glimmer, when inflicting a huge Def-15 on his foe, will deal so much more damage than other units can do with the special. If he's given Spd Smoke, he can use the Flashing Blade seal to supercharge his special and get a free follow-up, allowing for him to use more powerful Specials. Sadly, lowering the opponent's defenses does lower Luna's effectiveness, but he can still use it to get even more damage off.
As for his A skill, he has varying options depending on what you wish to do for him (and what his stats will end up being). He could go with Close Counter if he inherits Atk Smoke and Dimitri's Lull Atk/Def, turning him into a physical wall of sorts, though Phoenixmaster assumes he'll have low defenses, making that sort of difficult. Swift Sparrow 3 would be the perfect Player Phase skill for him, with his powerful Def debuff and how promising his Spd looks to be. Brazen Atk/Spd 4, for the daring, is a stronger version with +3 Atk/Spd in comparison. At the same time, you could have him be a defensive wall with Distant Def in both his A and seal slots.
The absolute best skill, however, would be Spd Smoke in his seal slot, allowing for him to inflict -15 Spd and Def. Or Atk Smoke, if he inherits Lull Atk/Def from Dimitri. Seriously, the possibilities are pretty much endless with Claude.

Edelgard (whose special looks to definitely be exclusive) just has so many different options that it's not even funny. Creator Sword has Killer, Null Follow-Up, and Null Charge/Guard in 1 weapon, nullifying a lot of meta options while also giving her plenty to work off of. It's sad that she can't guarantee her own follow-ups with Creator Sword, but she already has enough anyhow. Ruptured Sky, with its cooldown shortened to 1 by Creator Sword, can sort of be lackluster unless you're going against Dragons or Beasts, but against them she'll absolutely destroy them. I already made my point about Tibarn and the 50 Atk Dragon schenarios, so I'll skip on that. She can inherit Luna or Bonfire/Iceberg (the latter pair depending on her stats), however, and activate those every battle as well for a more consistent damage option. Fury 4 and Wrath already work very well together on other units, but you can also use Desperation if Phoenixmaster's speculation of her Spd is correct. She would also make for another great user of Lull Atk/Def or Lull Spd/Def, and replacing Fury 4 with Swift Sparrow 3 would give her a wider offensive presence than her current kit does. The promising high Spd with Creator's Sword's Killer effect also means she can inherit a 4 cooldown special like Astra with no trouble at all.

[GrandeRampel]

1 hour ago, XRay said:

Maybe some fraction of guys will find that crazy look attractive, but I do not think most would. We have slang phrase called "don't stick your dick in crazy."

 *raises hand* That's me. I'm in that fraction. I never believed in that phrase, and I also find Harley Queen and Himiko Toga from HeroAca to be VERY ATTRACTIVE and BEAUTIFUL girls. I have only known, Kronya for a day and I already replaced my previous best waifu for this game.

I'm sorry Bernadetta, you are not a pale vampire mistress.

 

31 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

The art of Kronya posted on this thread makes her look unhealthily pale, washed out, and nuts. Which is why I'm already iffy on her based on just what she looks like. Can't say I'm a fan of "crazy" characters unless they're done really well. Sho Minamimoto from TWEWY was a pretty good "nutty" character that I still like. Kronya gives me "actually evil Peri" vibes.

Kronya looks deathly pale because she is an undead, clearly. Or at least I hope that's the case. I don't know since I'm dodging spoilers like Keanu Reeves dodges bullets, but I hope I'm right. 

Personally, I welcome our Undead Overlords.

[Anacybele]

3 minutes ago, MilodicMellodi said:

If he's given Spd Smoke, he can use the Flashing Blade seal to supercharge his special and get a free follow-up, allowing for him to use more powerful Specials.

You must mean Heavy Blade, because Claude has a horse and cavalry units can't use Flashing Blade.