Timlugia Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Basically, Edelgard and Dimitri are mortal enemies, Spoiler either one of them dies if you pick the other path, or both died if you pick Claude or Rhea. Ironically Spoiler They were extremely close, almost lover type close until Edelgard suddenly declares war on everyone. And both put ideology before their feeling till the end. Quite a tragic set up. Edited July 25, 2019 by Timlugia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiddon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 -Looks up paths- YOWZA! I mean, whoa, I was expecting some drama, but this takes the cake. Spoiler I didn't expect things to turn into THIS much of a bloodbath. Edelgard will always kill Dimitri, Dimitri kills Edelgard, Edelgard and Dimitri die in Claude's route, and then there's the church route which is even MORE ruthless. This is outright Tactics Ogre stuff where no matter which path you take people are going to die and they are people you knew. I actually like that; it's what I felt Fates should been more like (though I still like Fates) in that it's impossible to get a "perfect" ending because that just detracts from the impact of the story. Choices need to matter in a game beyond just the ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kliss88 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, HappyHawlucha. said: 1:38 Awesome, thank you! Damn this game will be crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOldSaint Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 For those more verse in the game could answer this for me please. Spoiler Is it true Byleth is the only one who can S support other characters? You cannot pair off other characters with each other like in past games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ThatOldSaint said: For those more verse in the game could answer this for me please. Reveal hidden contents Is it true Byleth is the only one who can S support other characters? You cannot pair off other characters with each other like in past games? Both true and not true at the same time. Byleth is the only one with the supports marked as S officially, but that's because other units are already officially a couple once you reach A so there's no need to go further. To clarify, Byleth needs to reach S to get a paired ending, but everyone else can get them at A, *if* those two units are compatible. It's not a free for all like the previous games where you can put anyone together with anyone, each person has a fairly limited selection of options. Edited July 25, 2019 by Humanoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Eyes Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Spoiler Is it clear yet how it's determined who gets a paired ending with whom? Can a unit only get an A-support with one other unit, or is there a means to select which A-support leads to a paired ending and which does not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Three Eyes said: Hide contents Is it clear yet how it's determined who gets a paired ending with whom? Can a unit only get an A-support with one other unit, or is there a means to select which A-support leads to a paired ending and which does not? From what I can gather from the other threads, A-supports are not exclusive, but we have no idea how the game will do tie-breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bufkus Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, MetalAmethyst said: They weren't very specific in the video, though, so they could be the students. Still, it would be cool to see recruitable enemy units in this game. Yeah I guess. But just keep in mind they will all be former students whom you would have already interacted with in the academy pre-timeskip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Eyes Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Humanoid said: From what I can gather from the other threads, A-supports are not exclusive, but we have no idea how the game will do tie-breaks. Thank you. I see... The more I learn about this game's support system, the more convoluted it seems. At this point, I kind of wish they had just brought back non-Byleth S-supports even though those come with their own share of problems, writing-wise. I'm sure it'll make sense once I have the game in my hands, but for now I'm going to stop trying to understand it. ;; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOldSaint Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, Humanoid said: Both true and not true at the same time. Hide contents Byleth is the only one with the supports marked as S officially, but that's because other units are already officially a couple once you reach A so there's no need to go further. To clarify, Byleth needs to reach S to get a paired ending, but everyone else can get them at A, *if* those two units are compatible. It's not a free for all like the previous games where you can put anyone together with anyone, each person has a fairly limited selection of options. Thank you for clarifying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onestep Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 In Hard Mode or above, there is a limited amount of time to support units, and the game clearly thinks that it's unlikely that any non Byleth unit will have enough time to build up more than two or three A supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timlugia Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Reading through script and leaks, the game really emphasis on fate/destiny, especially in certain routes For example Spoiler Some 30 years ago, Jeralt and his men came under ambush while hired to escort Rhea, he took a fatal blow for her. Rhea healed Jeralt by transfusing her blood to him. He was then hired into the knights, thus got involved into the "conspiracy", and Byleth was born as result Spoiler 30 years later, under similar circumstance Byelth was hired to escort the lords, came under ambush, he took a blow for Edelgard and his power was awaken (probably noticed by Rhea) as result. Rhea then hired him as professor in the church, and the story began with Byleth too involved in the conspiracy. Edited July 25, 2019 by Timlugia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOldSaint Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Has there been any word on this fabled new game + that's been spreading around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liliesgrace Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Onestep said: In Hard Mode or above, there is a limited amount of time to support units, and the game clearly thinks that it's unlikely that any non Byleth unit will have enough time to build up more than two or three A supports. Does that mean you have unlimited time to do so in normal mode? Supports are about the most important part of the game for me and I want to try and get in as many as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Liliesgrace said: Does that mean you have unlimited time to do so in normal mode? Supports are about the most important part of the game for me and I want to try and get in as many as possible. In normal, you can grind specific maps infinitely, in hard the maps still exist, but they take a certain number of time units to do (which you only get a certain number per in-game week), so you're limited in how many times you can do them. Some months down the line they'll probably release an infinitely grindable DLC map for everyone to abuse, but until then, I imagine you'd have to go with Normal if you want to see all the supports. EDIT: I'm informed that they're called "activity points" if you need to do some further research on the mechanics, I'm only vaguely familiar with them myself. Edited July 25, 2019 by Humanoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockPuppet Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 So can we recruit several students out on the battlefield from the opposite houses? I know we have seen one so far, the girl from Golden Deer during the Black Eagles playthrough, but could we persuade more than just her? Is it possible to recruit all of the students then and there, or is it limited to a few? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, SockPuppet said: So can we recruit several students out on the battlefield from the opposite houses? I know we have seen one so far, the girl from Golden Deer during the Black Eagles playthrough, but could we persuade more than just her? Is it possible to recruit all of the students then and there, or is it limited to a few? There is a comprehensive list of which students can and can not be recruited outside their house in the "The Recruitment War" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockPuppet Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Humanoid said: There is a comprehensive list of which students can and can not be recruited outside their house in the "The Recruitment War" thread. Thank you; so, is the reason why the streamer from yesterday was able to recruit Lysthea after they beat her in battle is due to the fact they had the stats that she requires reached? Specifically, why did the option to “persuade” or “kill” appear for her—what triggered this, and is it guranteed to happen to all students whose requirements are fulfilled? I apologize if we do not know this yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, SockPuppet said: Thank you; so, is the reason why the streamer from yesterday was able to recruit Lysthea after they beat her in battle is due to the fact they had the stats that she requires reached? Specifically, why did the option to “persuade” or “kill” appear for her—what triggered this, and is it guranteed to happen to all students whose requirements are fulfilled? I apologize if we do not know this yet. I don't know either as I haven't been following the streams, but it seems probable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockPuppet Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Humanoid said: I don't know either as I haven't been following the streams, but it seems probable. No worries. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) I'm curious if there has been a compilation of cross-house A supports, Spoiler including the BE students x Church That would influence us to recruit certain students from other houses. I've made a link to a spreadsheet of weekday lesson focuses with some suspiciously named ones. I tried to match it with known characters so I know which class they would default to. Edited July 25, 2019 by Jayvee94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHawlucha. Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Are there any consequences for a character without the corresponding Crest wielding a Hero's Relic? Because I've seen gameplay of Seteth wielding the Gautier Hero's Relic and it seems like it doesn't negatively impact the unit which is what I've heard from previous reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaKaDaNaa Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Did we confirm if it's true that Sylvain is free to recruit if you're F!Byleth and Leonie is free if you're M!Byleth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onestep Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 hours ago, SockPuppet said: Thank you; so, is the reason why the streamer from yesterday was able to recruit Lysthea after they beat her in battle is due to the fact they had the stats that she requires reached? Specifically, why did the option to “persuade” or “kill” appear for her—what triggered this, and is it guranteed to happen to all students whose requirements are fulfilled? I apologize if we do not know this yet. Looking through the text dump: https://pastebin.com/QiFxU3Da , there are three characters who have the 'part of a battle, joined as ally afterwards' note in their bio. Spoiler Returns to his hometown and serves House Rowe.\nParticipates in the Ambush at Ailell in the service of Gwendal.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. Returns home to assist his father with governmental affairs.\nParticipates in the Battle of the Great Bridge as part of the pro-Imperialist faction.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. House Ordelia declares its anti-Imperialist standing.\nParticipates in the Battle of Derdriu as part of the Alliance army.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. I believe the first is Ashe, the second is Lorenz and the third is clearly Lysithea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewel Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Onestep said: Looking through the text dump: https://pastebin.com/QiFxU3Da , there are three characters who have the 'part of a battle, joined as ally afterwards' note in their bio. Hide contents Returns to his hometown and serves House Rowe.\nParticipates in the Ambush at Ailell in the service of Gwendal.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. Returns home to assist his father with governmental affairs.\nParticipates in the Battle of the Great Bridge as part of the pro-Imperialist faction.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. House Ordelia declares its anti-Imperialist standing.\nParticipates in the Battle of Derdriu as part of the Alliance army.\nAfter the battle, becomes an ally. I believe the first is Ashe, the second is Lorenz and the third is clearly Lysithea. Spoiler 2. sounds more like ferdinand to me since it states he is part of the pro-imperialist faction so he should be someone from edelgards team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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