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18 minutes ago, Skarthe said:

Fortress Knight is not a trivial unlock given that she is weak in both of its requirements.  Not sure this is a viable path, especially since it's only +5 Def over Warlock, which she'll unlock almost by accident. 

You can cheese it with finding an archer, locking it into place, and hit it with a rusted axe or a broken axe for as long as you can. Do this on 3 maps and you're done. It costs you time only. Also gives access to pavise and weight - 3.

Having her sitting at 17 defense starting part 2 with this setup is great. Also has 5 more base hp than warlock. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bavalurst said:

You can cheese it with finding an archer, locking it into place, and hit it with a rusted axe or a broken axe for as long as you can. Do this on 3 maps and you're done. It costs you time only. Also gives access to pavise and weight - 3.

Having her sitting at 17 defense starting part 2 with this setup is great. Also has 5 more base hp than warlock. 

Generally, tier lists assume "moderate efficiency", which is to say not LTC, but also not deliberately stalling for strategies like this.

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"Brisk pace" is the term I've seen the most. Not LTC, but you're not spending extra turns to eek out ez gains. Anything/anyone can be amazing given no constraints. I end up going straight to Cav for all my non-magic units because Canto and higher movement are busted

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6 hours ago, Skarthe said:

Generally, tier lists assume "moderate efficiency", which is to say not LTC, but also not deliberately stalling for strategies like this.

That is up to the tier list creator. The only thing I care about is potential. As all students are available at around the same moment in the game, the amount of growth you want to put into a student is up to you. 

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After playing the game for a while, my student tier list would look like this:

Top Tier: Edelgard

High: Claude, Felix, Lysithea, Hilda, Dimitri

Above Average: Hubert, Leonie, Petra, Bernadetta, Annette, Dedue, Ingrid

Mid: Dorothea, Lorenz, Mercedes, Sylvain, Lindhart, Raphael, Marianne, Flayn, Mercedes

Low: Caspar, Ashe, Ignatz, Ferdinand

Bottom: Cyril

Still, need to play all of the routes to get a complete picture of who is good and who isn't.

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Dmitri is an... odd choice.

20 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said:

After playing the game for a while, my student tier list would look like this:

Top Tier: Dimitri, Edelgard

High: Claude, Felix, Lysithea, Hilda 

Above Average: Hubert, Leonie, Petra, Bernadetta, Annette

Mid: Dorothea, Lorenz, Mercedes, Sylvain, Lindhart, Raphael, Marianne, Flayn, Mercedes

Low: Caspar, Ingrid, Ashe, Ignatz, Ferdinand

Bottom: Cyril

Still, need to play all of the routes to get a complete picture of who is good and who isn't.

Dmitri is an... odd choice. Any particular reason why you like him?

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32 minutes ago, Jingle Jangle said:

After playing the game for a while, my student tier list would look like this:

Top Tier: Dimitri, Edelgard

High: Claude, Felix, Lysithea, Hilda 

Above Average: Hubert, Leonie, Petra, Bernadetta, Annette

Mid: Dorothea, Lorenz, Mercedes, Sylvain, Lindhart, Raphael, Marianne, Flayn, Mercedes

Low: Caspar, Ingrid, Ashe, Ignatz, Ferdinand

Bottom: Cyril

Still, need to play all of the routes to get a complete picture of who is good and who isn't.

Agreed. Though I would move Ingrid to high and Cyril to mid.

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Besides the Lords(and arguably Byleth) which are on their own league, it does seem like everyone is viable in one way or another, with Felix and Lysithea being notable outliers for their overall great offensive growths and access to Hero Relics(Lysithea gets +2 magic range which is pretty busted).

The thing is, when someone said a character is good/bad, there’s a chance they’re blessed/screwed so it’s hard to pinpoint their actual performance unless we forgo the growths and focus on their maxed stats alongside other factors such as spells/combat arts/Crest/Relics.

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12 minutes ago, singularity said:

Besides the Lords(and arguably Byleth) which are on their own league, it does seem like everyone is viable in one way or another, with Felix and Lysithea being notable outliers for their overall great offensive growths and access to Hero Relics(Lysithea gets +2 magic range which is pretty busted).

The thing is, when someone said a character is good/bad, there’s a chance they’re blessed/screwed so it’s hard to pinpoint their actual performance unless we forgo the growths and focus on their maxed stats alongside other factors such as spells/combat arts/Crest/Relics.

I think you are mostly right. The exception is for magic, since spell lists aren't random, and are different for each character, so it's not hard to set up a tiering for that.

Even if a character gets rng screwed, spells like warp, meteor, dark spikes, rescue, etc. will all still be pretty handy.

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2 hours ago, Jingle Jangle said:

After playing the game for a while, my student tier list would look like this:

Top Tier: Dimitri, Edelgard

High: Claude, Felix, Lysithea, Hilda 

Above Average: Hubert, Leonie, Petra, Bernadetta, Annette

Mid: Dorothea, Lorenz, Mercedes, Sylvain, Lindhart, Raphael, Marianne, Flayn, Mercedes

Low: Caspar, Ingrid, Ashe, Ignatz, Ferdinand

Bottom: Cyril

Still, need to play all of the routes to get a complete picture of who is good and who isn't.

 

Ingrid low tier?

 

I disagree

 

I have not seen a single good Caspar though, so I gotta agree for him. Flayn is also terribly meh. Marianne is kinda slow but her res is ridiculous, give her swords and Soul Blade and she starts killing things extremely easily.

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2 hours ago, Spectrum said:

Agreed. Though I would move Ingrid to high and Cyril to mid.

Yeah Ingrid is the best overall tank in the game, IMO.

Med to high expected stats (accounting for base + character/class growths but not class min bumps) in all of HP, Def, Res, Speed, and Luck.

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My over simplified list:

1. Lords, Byleth

2. Catherine

3. Lord bffs, Bernadette, Leonie, Lindhardt, Lysithea, Annette, Shamir, Manuela, Ferdinand, Petra, Ingrid, Mercedes, Felix, Sylvain

4. Everyone else

 

 

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3 hours ago, dragonlordsd said:
 
 
 
 
3 hours ago, dragonlordsd said:

Dmitri is an... odd choice.

Dmitri is an... odd choice. Any particular reason why you like him?

Dmitri is one of the strongest and most bulk in the game. Edelgard and Dimitri have a lot of overlapping traits ( growth rates, personal skills. ) it becomes difficult to is exactly better. But on second consideration, Edelgard's ability to use magic consistently which gives her a slight edge against Dmitri.

3 hours ago, Spectrum said:

Agreed. Though I would move Ingrid to high and Cyril to mid.

I may have been a bit harsh for Ingrid. The biggest drawback for her is the 35% strength growth. But her being a class other than pegasus knight alleviates that issue. Rating Cyril is rather difficult for me. It is true that he comes in early on in the game when the students are starting to become good. Still unsure of the earliest he can join I think chapter 5. Even with aptitude, he is fragile and requires a good amount of babysitting to being on his own.

1 hour ago, Vyniea said:
 
 
 
 
1 hour ago, Vyniea said:

Ingrid low tier?

I disagree

 

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Ingrid and Ashe(Bernie to an extent but I haven’t seen her getting mentioned much for underperforming) are pretty divisive in terms of performance because their 35% Str growth is prone to RNG shenanigans, which makes it hard to tier them up.

54 minutes ago, Centh said:

My over simplified list:

1. Lords, Byleth

2. Catherine

3. Lord bffs, Bernadette, Leonie, Lindhardt, Lysithea, Annette, Shamir, Manuela, Ferdinand, Petra, Ingrid, Mercedes, Felix, Sylvain

4. Everyone else

 

 

curious on what did you use for benchmarks on this list.

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Created a new tierlist, just for this occasion.

 

I played Blue Lions on Hard/Classic Mode. If it wasn't clear, I recruited Lysinthia and Marianne, and did not even bother to recruit Cyril, as I had enough units, and I didn't like the first impression he gave me.

 

Minor notes:

1) Ingrid went from my worst character to among my best over the progression of the game. It came at the unfortunate cost of having me have to baby her for the entire game, and give her every single strength increasing item I had. But at the end of it all, she could double any enemy in the game, and enemies never had above a 40% chance to hit her.

2) My Seteth was blessed from the gods. From his entire progression from like 25? to 42 at the end, he never had a less than 3 stats increase. His Prf is similarly insane, healing him for something like 15, after every round.

3) Felix went from carrying me early game, to not doing much in the end. I don't know if he was just rng cursed, but he was like paper by the end as a Warmaster. I heavily relied on his Prf to block damage, and he was probably the one I had to divine pulse the most to keep alive.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, singularity said:

Ingrid and Ashe(Bernie to an extent but I haven’t seen her getting mentioned much for underperforming) are pretty divisive in terms of performance because their 35% Str growth is prone to RNG shenanigans, which makes it hard to tier them up.

Yeah but Ingrid has the same cumulative growths as Claude and Byleth and the highest of the normal students. She's just min-maxed for something other than brute attacking, and it's not necessarily intuitive from her personality, proficiencies, or personal abilities. Spec her into literally anything but Holy Knight to make sure her strength isn't base screwed and she'll be fine. 

I'd go Fighter (start working Lance and Flying, hoping to get Flying to C asap), Pegasus Knight (immediately start working on axes B, doubling up in goals if you have to), Wyvern Rider (bring flying back in with the axes), and then Wyvern Lord. You can use lances the whole time if you want, 20 levels is plenty of time to get Axes to A even without proficiency and use if you double up.

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45 minutes ago, Oranges said:

Created a new tierlist, just for this occasion.

I played Blue Lions on Hard/Classic Mode. If it wasn't clear, I recruited Lysinthia and Marianne, and did not even bother to recruit Cyril, as I had enough units, and I didn't like the first impression he gave me.

Minor notes:

1) Ingrid went from my worst character to among my best over the progression of the game. It came at the unfortunate cost of having me have to baby her for the entire game, and give her every single strength increasing item I had. But at the end of it all, she could double any enemy in the game, and enemies never had above a 40% chance to hit her.

2) My Seteth was blessed from the gods. From his entire progression from like 25? to 42 at the end, he never had a less than 3 stats increase. His Prf is similarly insane, healing him for something like 15, after every round.

3) Felix went from carrying me early game, to not doing much in the end. I don't know if he was just rng cursed, but he was like paper by the end as a Warmaster. I heavily relied on his Prf to block damage, and he was probably the one I had to divine pulse the most to keep alive.

Flayn having Rescue Access (and being one of the only two units who does and easily better at staves than Bernadetta) makes her pretty good by default, I think.

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It's way to early because we don't have meta strats for the mentoring.

For example, people likely mentor ingrid in lance, riding, flying or sword, but knowing her str problem, you can focus on having her qualify for a class with good str base. 

Even the fortress Lysithea strat seem doable because her personal will let her have high reason and faith even if you teach her armor and axe 90% of the time.

 

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2 hours ago, Oranges said:

Ingrid went from my worst character to among my best over the progression of the game. It came at the unfortunate cost of having me have to baby her for the entire game, and give her every single strength increasing item I had. But at the end of it all, she could double any enemy in the game, and enemies never had above a 40% chance to hit her.

Tbh my Ingrid gained a sweet amount of str, but she shined when she critic'd everyone. Literally. She has 45%+ crit rate and she will ALWAYS crit. Maybe she was blessed, but man she was so broken on my BL run. She was the mvp last 6 maps in a row.

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What do people think about the faith spell rescue? I've been looking at Flayn and was thinking she was not amazing, but perhaps this spell could pull her out of permabench/instant dancer. When looking at Dorothea and Flayn, I find it difficult to compare losing meteor and rescue by switching to dancer (I assume dancers just dance because someone else would be better at the task they would otherwise do, so why not just dance the specialist unit?). I can see meteor being great for keeping non-mounted Dorothea gaining xp while lagging behind the team in movement, but rescue can accomplish the same thing while allowing your combat units to do even more on a turn (move wyvern to kill, rescue back, dance, send them to kill someone else).

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25 minutes ago, Spectrum said:

Tbh my Ingrid gained a sweet amount of str, but she shined when she critic'd everyone. Literally. She has 45%+ crit rate and she will ALWAYS crit. Maybe she was blessed, but man she was so broken on my BL run. She was the mvp last 6 maps in a row.

I ran killer lance+/short spear+ peg into falcon Ingrid with massive success. Throw her into mages/thieves/myrms on the way to chests for ez gains.

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6 hours ago, Vyniea said:

 

Ingrid low tier?

 

I disagree

 

I have not seen a single good Caspar though, so I gotta agree for him. Flayn is also terribly meh. Marianne is kinda slow but her res is ridiculous, give her swords and Soul Blade and she starts killing things extremely easily.

It's definitely possible mine was RNG blessed, but the second I put Caspar on a wyvern he became one of my best units. It's possible that the wyvern classes are just busted, though.

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The usual criteria will be usefulness to a run.

Any unit which has to have more resources poured into it to be usable is usually a lower placed unit compared to a unit which starts good. Byleth and Edelgard for example have a 20% exp boost.

Any unit who is required later usually will be placed lower. This makes it interesting for the split routes as you cannot recruit some units until later or just plain not existing. 

You do not have to do combat to be useful. Auxiliary utility has value if unique such as dancing or flying. Too bad there is not much emphasis on dancing/thief usage at all.

Likely Byleth, Edelgard, and Dimitri are the best for availability, skills, and combat. They both have very good stat emphasis. I have not played the golden deer, but that growth rate in non-combat/defensive stats and being 2+ range locked sort of hurt him. Access to flying later on is just that. I can see Claude resting somewhere around mid-upper on a long term list eventually.

Bernedatta is probably lower tiered. Bow user for a long time. Lower def/str combat stats. Accuracy is an issue early on for trying to make use of +3 range attacks and rarely useful. 

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5 hours ago, singularity said:

Ingrid and Ashe(Bernie to an extent but I haven’t seen her getting mentioned much for underperforming) are pretty divisive in terms of performance because their 35% Str growth is prone to RNG shenanigans, which makes it hard to tier them up.

curious on what did you use for benchmarks on this list.

Cost of use, ease of use, access to cav/fly, access to top tier spells (physic/warp/seraphim/dark spells  etc). It's just hand waving at this point. You could probably move some people into useable, but since most maps are kill commander, if you don't have high movement, buffs, warp, physic you're out. I'm not looking for LTC, but playing slow/grinding is zzzzz and impossible to tier because everything is viable. I put Catherine above because she has no investment, amazing stats, great growths, comes with a top tier weapon (even if it doesn't have 1-2), and never has to leave swordmaster to contribute.

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2 minutes ago, Centh said:

Cost of use, ease of use, access to cav/fly, access to top tier spells (physic/warp/seraphim/dark spells  etc). It's just hand waving at this point. You could probably move some people into useable, but since most maps are kill commander, if you don't have high movement, buffs, warp, physic you're out. I'm not looking for LTC, but playing slow/grinding is zzzzz and impossible to tier because everything is viable. I put Catherine above because she has no investment, amazing stats, great growths, comes with a top tier weapon (even if it doesn't have 1-2), and never has to leave swordmaster to contribute.

Sound like LTC. A first turn stride makes even the slowest knighy reach the enemy, and maps does not seems genealogy-like. There is a middle ground between turtling and rushing the commander in 2 turn every map. LTC is definitely going to be Three Horses, but anything slower than that should   Not that knights specifcally are good, but at this point i think Intsys will never balance them. 

 

 

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