Lysithea Appreciation Thread

[Jave]

One of the characters that surprised me the most and instantly became my favorite in the game. As a unit she's amazing (only unit who can reliably kill DK, but feel free to prove me wrong) and her character grows on you as you get the supports and learn her tragic backstory. Her A-Support with Byleth really made me want to S-Rank her. She deserves all the love in the world.

Also helps her pre and post-skip designs are both great. Her post-skip design reminds me of Micaiah a bit, so that helped me warm up to her.

4 hours ago, Lysithea said:

She is rude in most of her C and somewhat B supports, but in her A supports she tracks back in most cases. Ignatz is one of few exceptions, definitely her worst support conversation. 

Interestingly her C support with Edelgard is not cold at all. I think this could into a really great one. 

Edelgard x Lysethia is one of the best supports in the game, and comes with a paired ending. Unless you're planning to support either of them with Byleth, try getting that ending.

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

15 minutes ago, Jave said:

Edelgard x Lysethia is one of the best supports in the game, and comes with a paired ending. Unless you're planning to support either of them with Byleth, try getting that ending.

Thanks for that advice! 

I will try that. 

As long it is a good ending, there is no need for a love relationship of Byleth to her. 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Lysithea

[Jakkun]

Lysithea has some really nice and cute supports like with Felix, Cyril and Linhardt. However, in my experience, I see her sour side far more than her sweet side. It bugs me because I want to like her, but I can't just overlook inexcusable nonsense like her Ignatz support and Marianne C. In particular, the Ignatz one is by far her worst because not only is she being rude to Ignatz for no reason, but she's also being a hypocrite by treating him like a baby when she damn well knows she would despise anyone doing that to her. Lysitheabros, please tell me if i'm misinterpreting anything in these supports because as it stands I just can't get down with someone who acts like that on the regular.

As a unit though, yeah. Best offensive mage in the game. Thyrsus, Dark Spikes memes, all that jazz.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Jakkun

[CyberNinja]

1 hour ago, Jakkun said:

Lysithea has some really nice and cute supports like with Felix, Cyril and Linhardt. However, in my experience, I see her sour side far more than her sweet side. It bugs me because I want to like her, but I can't just overlook inexcusable nonsense like her Ignatz support and Marianne C. In particular, the Ignatz one is by far her worst because not only is she being rude to Ignatz for no reason, but she's also being a hypocrite by treating him like a baby when she damn well knows she would despise anyone doing that to her. Lysitheabros, please tell me if i'm misinterpreting anything in these supports because as it stands I just can't get down with someone who acts like that on the regular.

As a unit though, yeah. Best offensive mage in the game. Thyrsus, Dark Spikes memes, all that jazz.

Ignatz support is her getting irritated due to a misinterpretation, namely that she thought that Ignatz was talking down to her and treating her as a kid with his "accepting help form others speech" what follows is an emotional outburst (she's 15 and going to die soon) with her projecting her own insecurities on him (everything she said applies to her) It doesn't excuse her behavior, but its understandable, namely because her supports imply that many others treat her this way or otherwise seemingly belittle her hard work by attributing all her achievements to her crest(s) that she hates (and are the cause of her early death.) Given the trauma she has gone through, I actually consider her well adjusted and while her behavior isn't good, it is understandable (and she didn't cause a continental wide war over it.)

[zuibangde]

14 hours ago, Etheus said:

I have to agree on supports. Lysithea's personality is insufferable, and she's constantly rude to everyone. I'm hoping she improves in later support conversations, but her C & B supports have to be the worst in the game.

Yep her supports are some of my least favourite in the game. Rant incoming:

Some of her supports border on bullying and her supports with Ignatz is textbook bullying. It annoys me that some brush off her behaviour just because she is young and has a tragic backstory. Having to deal with something tragic doesn’t mean you have a pass to act like an asshole.

Many characters in the game have to deal with their own personal horrors (Marianne, Bernadetta and Dimitri especially) and none of them lashes out on others at the rate and intensity of Lysithea.

Lysithea also projects her ideals onto others and get mad at them for not acting like she is. Marianne basically shows signs of depression as a result of her relation with the crest and instead of getting to understand her situation, Lysithea berates her for it first. But at the same time, she gets mad when people ‘treat her like a child’. So she expects people to treat her the way she wants to be treated but doesn’t do the same to others? A tragic backstory isn’t a good enough reason for a hypocritical behaviour.

Yes, she apologises and explains for her action later but that still doesn’t excuse her behaviour. You just don’t go around yelling and being rude at people and then apologize for it because that’s not how socialising works.

 If the game is realistic, many of the supports would’ve ended at C because I don’t see anyone wanting to talk to her again after getting yelled at for trying to  be nice.

Lysithea is a really problematic character. She has many merits but also HUGE red flags and I’m surprised people are just brushing it off. 

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by zuibangde

[Strullemia]

4 hours ago, zuibangde said:

Yep her supports are some of my least favourite in the game. Rant incoming:

Yes, she apologises and explains for her action later but that still doesn’t excuse her behaviour. You just don’t go around yelling and being rude at people and then apologize for it because that’s not how socialising works.

 If the game is realistic, many of the supports would’ve ended at C because I don’t see anyone wanting to talk to her again after getting yelled at for trying to  be nice.

 

I really disagree.

Forgiveness is important. Without forgiveness the only thing that’s left for people to do is to keep on holding onto grudges. 

That way of thinking is really dangerous imo.

[PuffPuff]

7 hours ago, zuibangde said:

Yep her supports are some of my least favourite in the game. Rant incoming:

Some of her supports border on bullying and her supports with Ignatz is textbook bullying. It annoys me that some brush off her behaviour just because she is young and has a tragic backstory. Having to deal with something tragic doesn’t mean you have a pass to act like an asshole.

Many characters in the game have to deal with their own personal horrors (Marianne, Bernadetta and Dimitri especially) and none of them lashes out on others at the rate and intensity of Lysithea.

Lysithea also projects her ideals onto others and get mad at them for not acting like she is. Marianne basically shows signs of depression as a result of her relation with the crest and instead of getting to understand her situation, Lysithea berates her for it first. But at the same time, she gets mad when people ‘treat her like a child’. So she expects people to treat her the way she wants to be treated but doesn’t do the same to others? A tragic backstory isn’t a good enough reason for a hypocritical behaviour.

Yes, she apologises and explains for her action later but that still doesn’t excuse her behaviour. You just don’t go around yelling and being rude at people and then apologize for it because that’s not how socialising works.

 If the game is realistic, many of the supports would’ve ended at C because I don’t see anyone wanting to talk to her again after getting yelled at for trying to  be nice.

Lysithea is a really problematic character. She has many merits but also HUGE red flags and I’m surprised people are just brushing it off. 

 

This is why that she is a character to look up to. Since others that see her rude to them will bring out maturity in them. She only is rude to some of them because they either don't listen before speaking and or are digging into her personnel problem too much. Marianne whom she did apologize to because of her knowing that she sucks at socializing with people. But...that didn't stop her from helping her out even with her own burden that she carries in the same support. Whereas she would blow Igatz, Rapheal, Lorenz, and Linherdt in their C one. Others didn't take it as a grain of salt to her character as this happens if you don't observe your surroundings and listen first before speaking.

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How is she a problem character when a five year old kid can handle her? By example "I gotta go play outside". "See you later." Only Edelgard, Byleth, Felix, Annette, Hilda and Marinette(she apologized to her mid C Support) are examples to whom she is not cold towards in their C Supports because of them listening first before speaking.

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That is what is so good about this game as the writers put alot of thought and time into Edelgard, Byleth and Lysithea. It's because of their behavior makes it not worth doing every other path as you won't mature as you would as fast otherwise. Especially, their writings are there to help giving you ideas from getting under peoples skin alot more without their guidance. (For those especially who don't socialize) They do educate you about life and to get along better with people are the purpose of their character writings are why that I love them the utmost in the game! As for her character...rated it 10 of course.

Edited August 26, 2019 by PuffPuff

[zuibangde]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, PuffPuff said:

This is why that she is a character to look up to. Since others that see her rude to them will bring out maturity in them. She only is rude to some of them because they either don't listen before speaking and or are digging into her personnel problem too much. Marianne whom she did apologize to because of her knowing that she sucks at socializing with people. But...that didn't stop her from helping her out even with her own burden that she carries in the same support. Whereas she would blow Igatz, Rapheal, Lorenz, and Linherdt in their C one. Others didn't take it as a grain of salt to her character as this happens if you don't observe your surroundings and listen first before speaking.

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How is she a problem character when a five year old kid can handle her? By example "I gotta go play outside". "See you later." Only Edelgard, Byleth, Felix, Annette, Hilda and Marinette(she apologized to her mid C Support) are examples to whom she is not cold towards in their C Supports because of them listening first before speaking.

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That is what is so good about this game as the writers put alot of thought and time into Edelgard, Byleth and Lysithea. It's because of their behavior makes it not worth doing every other path as you won't mature as you would as fast otherwise. Especially, their writings are there to help giving you ideas from getting under peoples skin alot more without their guidance. (For those especially who don't socialize) They do educate you about life and to get along better with people are the purpose of their character writings are why that I love them the utmost in the game! As for her character...rated it 10 of course.

I agree that Lysithea is well written compared to some other more one-note characters. But that doesn't make her likeable or as unproblematic as people say she is.

I don't get how being rude will bring out the maturity in other characters. In fact, of all the characters, Lysithea is perhaps one of the more immature ones. There's a fine line between being constructive and being mean spirited. She's being mean spirited or unreasonably rude for most of her supports (perhaps it's unintentional but if she's mature, then she would know how to speak her ideas without putting others down). She constantly takes things out of context and takes offence when there is none to be taken. One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

For example, Sylvain asked if he could join her to do some magic training and Lysithea nosedives into the conclusion that it's because of her age that's causing Sylvain to ignore her previous request to be left alone. And when he denies, she assumes it's because of her gender. Sylvain was being annoying but there honestly wasn't any indication that he was picking on her for her age or gender. Annette says she doesn't have a natural talent for magic and said she will have to work hard to be like Lysithea and Lysithea goes 'aRe yOu SayInG I dOnT wOrK HaRD?' I don't get why people defend behaviour like this.

Many characters are walking on eggshells when talking to Lysithea and it's ridiculous that some of them aplogizes to HER when she's the one that took offence. If one were to argue that Lysithea talks about wanting to be mature and more like an adult but fails at it herself as an example of good characterization then I would be more inclined to agree.

I also disagree with the whole 'they're not listening before speaking which is why being yelled at and put down by Lysithea is understandable' argument. If this is the message that is intended, there are many many ways to show this instead of "hey you're not listening or understanding me so let me tell you to shut up repeatedly and say how horrible your grades are compared to mine and how you're not a 'big brother' because you don't study." Also, if she backtracks and apologizes to them for getting off on them, shouldn't Lysithea be the one that should perhaps listen and think before speaking (more like yelling)?

Also, who made Lysithea the most important character in the game? Why does her feelings and backstory matter more than others'? Why should others be expected to listen and understand her and treat her the way she wants to be treated but on the flip side, she doesn't even bother to do that in the first place with others? Did Ignatz say 'Hey Lysithea, please fix my bed hair.'? No, she projected the idea that being well presented as a sign of maturity and decided that Ignatz should be like that too regardless of his feelings. 

[Strullemia]

3 hours ago, zuibangde said:

I agree that Lysithea is well written compared to some other more one-note characters. But that doesn't make her likeable or as unproblematic as people say she is.

1. I don't get how being rude will bring out the maturity in other characters. In fact, of all the characters, Lysithea is perhaps one of the more immature ones. There's a fine line between being constructive and being mean spirited. She's being mean spirited or unreasonably rude for most of her supports (perhaps it's unintentional but if she's mature, then she would know how to speak her ideas without putting others down). She constantly takes things out of context and takes offence when there is none to be taken. One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

2. For example, Sylvain asked if he could join her to do some magic training and Lysithea nosedives into the conclusion that it's because of her age that's causing Sylvain to ignore her previous request to be left alone. And when he denies, she assumes it's because of her gender. Sylvain was being annoying but there honestly wasn't any indication that he was picking on her for her age or gender. Annette says she doesn't have a natural talent for magic and said she will have to work hard to be like Lysithea and Lysithea goes 'aRe yOu SayInG I dOnT wOrK HaRD?' I don't get why people defend behaviour like this.

Many characters are walking on eggshells when talking to Lysithea and it's ridiculous that some of them aplogizes to HER when she's the one that took offence. If one were to argue that Lysithea talks about wanting to be mature and more like an adult but fails at it herself as an example of good characterization then I would be more inclined to agree.

I also disagree with the whole 'they're not listening before speaking which is why being yelled at and put down by Lysithea is understandable' argument. If this is the message that is intended, there are many many ways to show this instead of 3. "hey you're not listening or understanding me so let me tell you to shut up repeatedly and say how horrible your grades are compared to mine and how you're not a 'big brother' because you don't study." Also, if she backtracks and apologizes to them for getting off on them, shouldn't Lysithea be the one that should perhaps listen and think before speaking (more like yelling)?

1. ...That's...the point. She is a child that wants to act like she's mature because the time to grow up was stolen from her, so she forces herself to act "mature" while in reality in her pre timeskip supports she isn't mature.  The game even points it out multiple times that she's the youngest character from every house.  Of course the experiences she had when she was tortured and used as a lab rat don't help. People with traumatizing experiences don't always tend to act rational you know.

>One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

Wow, that's seriously harsh! Have you never said something you regret when you were a teenager?! I can assure you many people do when they're younger. Teenagers tend to be dumb that way.

2. I mean you're talking about Sylvain, the student that has one of the worst reputations at the academy and he's legit a bad person that does worse things then Lysithea ever does (still like him but with the way he plays with women he could easily push one over the edge). Her suspecting him like that makes sense, she isn't the only one that does it. As for Anenette, to understand her "Are you saying I don't work hard" you need to understand that Fodlan values Crests and that many people have obviously presumed she's only good because of her crest which as you know she got involuntary through horrifying methods. You're also seriously overreacting to that support. I just rewatched it and Annette immediately explains what she meant and after that everything goes smoothly and Lysithea even compliments her.

3. That's her Raphael support and in that case she's definitely right in her C support. He straight up asks her to play tag with him, he doesn't do that with anyone else. I would almost call it condescending if it wasn't Raphael saying that.

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I defend her because I think she's an admirable person with flaws. Fact is that I would never have been that strong in her situation. Just imagine someone forcing something into you for an experiment and giving you a sort of cancer like disease in the progress. I would 100% break down. I think you're really underestimating the things she's been through.

[zuibangde]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Hekselka said:

1. ...That's...the point. She is a child that wants to act like she's mature because the time to grow up was stolen from her, so she forces herself to act "mature" while in reality in her pre timeskip supports she isn't mature.  The game even points it out multiple times that she's the youngest character from every house.  Of course the experiences she had when she was tortured and used as a lab rat don't help. People with traumatizing experiences don't always tend to act rational you know.

 >One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

Wow, that's seriously harsh! Have you never said something you regret when you were a teenager?! I can assure you many people do when they're younger. Teenagers tend to be dumb that way.

 2. I mean you're talking about Sylvain, the student that has one of the worst reputations at the academy and he's legit a bad person that does worse things then Lysithea ever does (still like him but with the way he plays with women he could easily push one over the edge). Her suspecting him like that makes sense, she isn't the only one that does it. As for Anenette, to understand her "Are you saying I don't work hard" you need to understand that Fodlan values Crests and that many people have obviously presumed she's only good because of her crest which as you know she got involuntary through horrifying methods. You're also seriously overreacting to that support. I just rewatched it and Annette immediately explains what she meant and after that everything goes smoothly and Lysithea even compliments her.

 3. That's her Raphael support and in that case she's definitely right in her C support. He straight up asks her to play tag with him, he doesn't do that with anyone else. I would almost call it condescending if it wasn't Raphael saying that.

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I defend her because I think she's an admirable person with flaws. Fact is that I would never have been that strong in her situation. Just imagine someone forcing something into you for an experiment and giving you a sort of cancer like disease in the progress. I would 100% break down. I think you're really underestimating the things she's been through.

1. Yes, I have said things that I regret as a teenager but it's often out of anger and not assuming the worst out of others. I guess you can argue that because of her traumatic experiences, she unconsciously assumes the worst of people. But the argument would be stronger if there are more moments where she thinks people are out to abuse her emotionally and physically again. But she gets offended because she isn't treated like an adult or people aren't acting how she thinks a mature person should act. I understand the connection between being robbed of a childhood and wanting to grow up fast and be an adult and I think it's reasonable. What I don't understand is the connection between her tragic past and her anger towards people sometimes (not always) to the point that she feels the need to put them down just because they 'treated' her as a child or they aren't doing what she thinks mature people should act like. If anyone can maybe explain to me the bolded part to me, I would be grateful.

2. The point about Annette support is that Annette shouldn't have had to explain herself in the first place at all. The comment was made out of a place of a compliment but Lysithea took it as mockery first before considering other possibilities. The way she reacts to others would make more sense if they knew about her situation. But they don't. It is understandable that she would take it the wrong way but I don't think it's justified or acceptable.

3. I agree that Raphael was being dense and slightly condescending with Lysithea but she didn't have to insult his abilities as a 'big brother' and measured it using whether he gets good grades or not. You can have bad grades and be a good brother. Like I've mentioned previously, there are better ways for her to tell him to leave without insulting something that he's clearly proud of.

Also, I want to clarify that I'm not trying to discredit that you (and others) that like Lysithea as a character. I think it's awesome that you found strength through her. However, I do think it's important to acknowledge that she has some flaws that shouldn't simply be 'explained' through her past and being young. Also, as a side note, whenever I see someone (not you but just people online in general) defend Lysithea in her C and B supports with Ignatz, I get triggered because I personally think that supporting Lysithea in those two conversations is to discredit a very real problem in real life that causes a lot of pain amongst many young people nowadays.

[Strullemia]

6 minutes ago, zuibangde said:

1. Yes, I have said things that I regret as a teenager but it's often out of anger and not assuming the worst out of others. I guess you can argue that because of her traumatic experiences, she unconsciously assumes the worst of people. But the argument would be stronger if there are more moments where she thinks people are out to abuse her emotionally and physically again. But she gets offended because she isn't treated like an adult or people aren't acting how she thinks a mature person should act. I understand the connection between being robbed of a childhood and wanting to grow up fast and be an adult and I think it's reasonable. What I don't understand is the connection between her tragic past and her anger towards people sometimes (not always) to the point that she feels the need to put them down just because they 'treated' her as a child or they aren't doing what she thinks mature people should act like. If anyone can maybe explain to me the bolded part to me, I would be grateful.

2. The point about Annette support is that Annette shouldn't have had to explain herself in the first place at all. The comment was made out of a place of a compliment but Lysithea took it as mockery first before considering other possibilities. The way she reacts to others would make more sense if they knew about her situation. But they don't. It is understandable that she would take it the wrong way but I don't think it's justified or acceptable.

3. I agree that Raphael was being dense and slightly condescending with Lysithea but she didn't have to insult his abilities as a 'big brother' and measured it using whether he gets good grades or not. You can have bad grades and be a good brother. Like I've mentioned previously, there are better ways for her to tell him to leave without insulting something that he's clearly proud of.

Also, I want to clarify that I'm not trying to discredit that you (and others) that like Lysithea as a character. I think it's awesome that you found strength through her. However, I do think it's important to acknowledge that she has some flaws that shouldn't simply be 'explained' through her past and being young. Also, as a side note, whenever I see someone (not you but just people online in general) defend Lysithea in her C and B supports with Ignatz, I get triggered because I personally think that supporting Lysithea in those two conversations is to discredit a very real problem in real life that causes a lot of pain amongst many young people nowadays.

1. I feel like this gets addressed mostly in her B support with Hanneman. She's so focused on accomplishing her goals and has precious little time that she only cares about studying and getting stronger so that she can accomplish those goals and in her mind being a "mature" grown up will help her. Of course she's not right in treating people that way, I'm not going to deny that. 

That's how I see the bolded part anyway

2. It's very much implied that the majority of people she meets are people similar to how Linhardt/Hanneman act in their C support. She got annoyed by Annette because she thought that she assumed that her hard work is thanks to her crests. Lysithea wants to leave a mark on the world with what time she has left and wants to be recognized by her own work, not by the work some people implanted on her. She's still wrong for reacting that way but it makes more sense that she has these flaws then if she didn't.

3. Eh, still not a fan of that support. Raphael can sometimes be...difficult. I like the guy, he's really wholesome but in his Bernadette and Ingrid supports he also acts kind of weird. 

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I understand and it's fine. Just because she has flaws that can be 'explained' through her past doesn't mean she's in the right of course. I'm not going to blindly defend her, just explaining why she's written the way she is.

Ignatz C and B support is where she acts at her worst but I actually think that's kind of the point because in a way she's going full on projection mode on Ignatz. The things she says against him fit her more than it does him. Like I said, she's obviously not in the right and the support even acknowledges this by having a flashback to what Ignatz said in the C support in their B support, Lysithea is at no point painted as the one in the right.

Whether you like her I think depends on whether you feel the way she acts makes sense with her past and age.

[Byrdsfly]

She's definitely one of my favorites in this game. I built her up as a mortal savant after seeing her talent in swords and that one of her crests gave a bonus to combat arts. Between Soulblade and her spells there's not much she doesn't one-shot.

Also, this gave me a good solid laugh, thanks.

Spoiler

On 8/22/2019 at 12:03 PM, ZanaLyrander said:

Lysithea is fantastic. 

 

 

[UNLEASH IT]

Gremlin, that's all I have to say.

[PuffPuff]

8 hours ago, zuibangde said:

I agree that Lysithea is well written compared to some other more one-note characters. But that doesn't make her likeable or as unproblematic as people say she is.

I don't get how being rude will bring out the maturity in other characters. In fact, of all the characters, Lysithea is perhaps one of the more immature ones. There's a fine line between being constructive and being mean spirited. She's being mean spirited or unreasonably rude for most of her supports (perhaps it's unintentional but if she's mature, then she would know how to speak her ideas without putting others down). She constantly takes things out of context and takes offence when there is none to be taken. One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

For example, Sylvain asked if he could join her to do some magic training and Lysithea nosedives into the conclusion that it's because of her age that's causing Sylvain to ignore her previous request to be left alone. And when he denies, she assumes it's because of her gender. Sylvain was being annoying but there honestly wasn't any indication that he was picking on her for her age or gender. Annette says she doesn't have a natural talent for magic and said she will have to work hard to be like Lysithea and Lysithea goes 'aRe yOu SayInG I dOnT wOrK HaRD?' I don't get why people defend behaviour like this.

Many characters are walking on eggshells when talking to Lysithea and it's ridiculous that some of them aplogizes to HER when she's the one that took offence. If one were to argue that Lysithea talks about wanting to be mature and more like an adult but fails at it herself as an example of good characterization then I would be more inclined to agree.

I also disagree with the whole 'they're not listening before speaking which is why being yelled at and put down by Lysithea is understandable' argument. If this is the message that is intended, there are many many ways to show this instead of "hey you're not listening or understanding me so let me tell you to shut up repeatedly and say how horrible your grades are compared to mine and how you're not a 'big brother' because you don't study." Also, if she backtracks and apologizes to them for getting off on them, shouldn't Lysithea be the one that should perhaps listen and think before speaking (more like yelling)?

Also, who made Lysithea the most important character in the game?

Why does her feelings and backstory matter more than others'?

Why should others be expected to listen and understand her and treat her the way she wants to be treated but on the flip side, she doesn't even bother to do that in the first place with others? Did Ignatz say 'Hey Lysithea, please fix my bed hair.'? No, she projected the idea that being well presented as a sign of maturity and decided that Ignatz should be like that too regardless of his feelings. 

True.
But...she is the type to get fed up with incompetence in people. Still...she is someone to take into account to learn some socialization.

Well...she only shows it after it is too late which is the only trouble with her character. But...needless to say they rewrite her relationship with them completely for their bonds to be tighter through battle rather than just hypothetically through conversation.

She should have been one of the three house lords. Her character was written way to well for a regular character if you ask me...

It's a more serious one. Even though Igatz struggles hard even on non independent issues.

Um...if that were so...
She would otherwise not want to have any word with them, nor support them.  She is the type that is willing to listen but can't stand people who don't, or are incompetent to do so. Battles seems to be the only way that she can get along with those that she blows off later.

4 hours ago, Hekselka said:

1. ...That's...the point. She is a child that wants to act like she's mature because the time to grow up was stolen from her, so she forces herself to act "mature" while in reality in her pre timeskip supports she isn't mature.  The game even points it out multiple times that she's the youngest character from every house.  Of course the experiences she had when she was tortured and used as a lab rat don't help. People with traumatizing experiences don't always tend to act rational you know.

>One can argue that she matured from it post skip as she realizes that she's wrong but for me, personally, that's not enough to offhand the things she said in her C supports.

Wow, that's seriously harsh! Have you never said something you regret when you were a teenager?! I can assure you many people do when they're younger. Teenagers tend to be dumb that way.

2. I mean you're talking about Sylvain, the student that has one of the worst reputations at the academy and he's legit a bad person that does worse things then Lysithea ever does (still like him but with the way he plays with women he could easily push one over the edge). Her suspecting him like that makes sense, she isn't the only one that does it. As for Anenette, to understand her "Are you saying I don't work hard" you need to understand that Fodlan values Crests and that many people have obviously presumed she's only good because of her crest which as you know she got involuntary through horrifying methods. You're also seriously overreacting to that support. I just rewatched it and Annette immediately explains what she meant and after that everything goes smoothly and Lysithea even compliments her.

3. That's her Raphael support and in that case she's definitely right in her C support. He straight up asks her to play tag with him, he doesn't do that with anyone else. I would almost call it condescending if it wasn't Raphael saying that.

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I defend her because I think she's an admirable person with flaws. Fact is that I would never have been that strong in her situation. Just imagine someone forcing something into you for an experiment and giving you a sort of cancer like disease in the progress. I would 100% break down. I think you're really underestimating the things she's been through.

Well...they intend to act formal more than rational to not have to go through the experience again. The kindness brought on her tend to hurt her more than make her happy as she is the type to only respect those that deserve it like with BylethXHubert A Support.

She has to learn that herself in order to truly grow up. ^_^

What made her learn the start of a adult. :3

Even though she at first hadn't gotten it as the childishness was only a blip on her radar after finding out that he doesn't study.

Yes.

3 hours ago, zuibangde said:

1. Yes, I have said things that I regret as a teenager but it's often out of anger and not assuming the worst out of others. I guess you can argue that because of her traumatic experiences, she unconsciously assumes the worst of people. But the argument would be stronger if there are more moments where she thinks people are out to abuse her emotionally and physically again. But she gets offended because she isn't treated like an adult or people aren't acting how she thinks a mature person should act. I understand the connection between being robbed of a childhood and wanting to grow up fast and be an adult and I think it's reasonable. What I don't understand is the connection between her tragic past and her anger towards people sometimes (not always) to the point that she feels the need to put them down just because they 'treated' her as a child or they aren't doing what she thinks mature people should act like. If anyone can maybe explain to me the bolded part to me, I would be grateful.

2. The point about Annette support is that Annette shouldn't have had to explain herself in the first place at all. The comment was made out of a place of a compliment but Lysithea took it as mockery first before considering other possibilities. The way she reacts to others would make more sense if they knew about her situation. But they don't. It is understandable that she would take it the wrong way but I don't think it's justified or acceptable.

3. I agree that Raphael was being dense and slightly condescending with Lysithea but she didn't have to insult his abilities as a 'big brother' and measured it using whether he gets good grades or not. You can have bad grades and be a good brother. Like I've mentioned previously, there are better ways for her to tell him to leave without insulting something that he's clearly proud of.

Also, I want to clarify that I'm not trying to discredit that you (and others) that like Lysithea as a character. I think it's awesome that you found strength through her. However, I do think it's important to acknowledge that she has some flaws that shouldn't simply be 'explained' through her past and being young. Also, as a side note, whenever I see someone (not you but just people online in general) defend Lysithea in her C and B supports with Ignatz, I get triggered because I personally think that supporting Lysithea in those two conversations is to discredit a very real problem in real life that causes a lot of pain amongst many young people nowadays.

So far of knowing that she cannot tolerate incompetence. Gotta play the game to further point this out.

Doing that pretty much would spell the end of her existence.

FF Type-0

Like Rem's dilemna in FF Type-0 for the same thing of veiling it to prevent from upsetting their friends.

 

Even though she is right that he DOES need to pay more attention in class to stop from getting held back in school. Her supports with Cyril are what touched me the utmost though as she was like a mother to him for not having knowledge on how to read and write. Her supports are the nicest with Edelgard, Felix and Cyril.  Showing that is not incapable of being kind just only gives it to those that deserve it. She's a 2.0 Hubert.

She took it too far in that one despite that he is extra challenged and trying to make it in this world. Even though she is having that problem herself with what she had to have gone through at an even younger age. 😕

[charcoalswift]

10 out of 10 for everything, best girl of Three houses😍

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

In my BE run I want to pair up Lys with Edelgard. I know from my GD run, if someone has multiple supports at highest rank, the support with its highest amount of support points wins. Unfortunately I never could see that. She had A rank with Claude and Raphael, but she ended with Raphael unfortunately.

Is there a way to see support standings?

Because I do not want to screw up with Lys's ending once more. 

[CyberNinja]

1 hour ago, Lysithea said:

In my BE run I want to pair up Lys with Edelgard. I know from my GD run, if someone has multiple supports at highest rank, the support with its highest amount of support points wins. Unfortunately I never could see that. She had A rank with Claude and Raphael, but she ended with Raphael unfortunately.

Is there a way to see support standings?

Because I do not want to screw up with Lys's ending once more. 

Just don't let Edelgard or Lys A-rank anyone else, barring that keep them together, barring that look on close allies, if they don't treat eachother as close allies (top three highest support) they probably won't get a paired ending.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Also you can disrupt competing A supports by S supporting the competition, so for instance if Edelgard also has an A support with Dorothea or Ferdinand etc. and they rank higher on her list of close allies you can S support that character to take them out of the running for paired endings.

I highly recommend taking pairs to dinner frequently if you want to get their ending, too. I dunno exactly how many support points all the various actions build in this game but dinner seems to be a lot (at least if both enjoy the food).

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

Alright thanks! 

I think I will make sure not to activate the supports of anyone else aside of Lys who has the potential to get a A support with Edelgard to be 100% sure. So I will let Ferdinand and Dorothea end with Edelgard at B. 

[CrimsonFlower]

wish I could S Support her w F Byleth.

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

^ Same, I was sad as miffed that she could not have a real ending with female Byleth.

 

irony is cruel

Spoiler

 

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

Completed my Black Eagles run and had the wanted end pairing with Edelgard.

Spoiler

I did not know until the A support that Edelgard shares the same fate as her.

This puts her in a total different spotlight to me regarding her motives. 

I am really glad that I discovered this support because it is not only a good ending for Lys, but gives very important backround knowledge.

 

[nocturnal YL]

Voted 10/10/maybe. Maybe because I just paired her with Lindhart in my just-finished Blue Lions run. Some things are better left to the professionals.

On 9/3/2019 at 12:22 AM, Lysithea said:

Completed my Black Eagles run and had the wanted end pairing with Edelgard.

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I did not know until the A support that Edelgard shares the same fate as her.

This puts her in a total different spotlight to me regarding her motives. 

I am really glad that I discovered this support because it is not only a good ending for Lys, but gives very important backround knowledge.

 

Spoiler

I haven't played Edelgard's route, but I figured as much since Edelgard has white hair. Watching cutscenes with child Edelgard and checking her status on the battlefields late-game pretty much confirmed what I suspected.

 

[Jave]

On 9/2/2019 at 12:22 PM, Lysithea said:

Completed my Black Eagles run and had the wanted end pairing with Edelgard.

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I did not know until the A support that Edelgard shares the same fate as her.

This puts her in a total different spotlight to me regarding her motives. 

I am really glad that I discovered this support because it is not only a good ending for Lys, but gives very important backround knowledge.

 

Spoiler

I'm really happy you liked it. In my BE run I actually S-ranked Lysethia, but I left the file at Ch.17 to get some more endings, so when I got a different S-rank Edel and Lys defaulted to each other, and I liked how both of them got cured of the curse of their crests.

 

[xchickengirlx]

since this topic has resurfaced again: For any one who had Lysithea on their team, did anyone get completely RNG screwed with her?

I'm on my BL run, and as I started to level her up, she'd only be getting +1 on two different stats, over, and over, and over again. I was completely baffled. Didn't have this bad luck on my GD run. I was hoping she'd be a total nuke again for my team, but she'd already at level 13 and her stats so far are awful. Hopefully I'll still be able to salvage her, but I am a little upset about it haha.