Escape the Fate Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Semi-serious question I’ve been discussing with friends. He throws his life away and puts an exclamation point on it in Crimson Flower by stealing crest stones from the Kingdom vaults so he and others can undergo an irreversible demonic beast transformation. He also openly says in his convo with Felix that he would take part in a massacre of children if Dimitri asked him to. Obviously Frederick and Jakob, etc. have taken that role in previous installments, but I don’t think even they or anyone else in the series history would’ve (or have) ever gone that far. What’s your take? Edited October 8, 2019 by Escape the Fate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Brand Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Escape the Fate said: Semi-serious question I’ve been discussing with friends. He Hide contents throws his life away and puts an exclamation point on it in Crimson Flower by Hide contents steals crest stones from the Kingdom vaults so he and others can undergo an irreversible demonic beast transformation . He also openly says in his convo with Felix that he would Hide contents take part in a massacre of children if Dimitri asked him to. Obviously Frederick and Jakob, etc. have taken that role in previous installments, but I don’t think even they would’ve ever gone that far. What’s your take? In terms of character, he's the same as all the loyal retainers before him. However, he differs from them in that Dimitri is not a heroic Marth character; thus I would consider him more of a Camus than a loyal retainer. If Corrin ordered Jakob to do anything which Dedue did, I have no doubt he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingle Jangle Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 For me, I would say Dedue is tied with Finn in most loyal to their lords in different ways. Dedue for willing to go down Dimitri's path of bloodshed without hesitation. Finn for raising Leif and Nanna under persecution for years. Starving and unemotional after all the hardships he was faced with. Varies in the loyalty of acting under vs in honor of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodHoms Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Would definitely say that Fredrick probably wouldn't obey a blatantly immoral command from Chrom since there are moments in the story where he essentially protects Chrom from himself, such as the end of chapter 9 and chapter 10 where he insists on Chrom fleeing for his life to fight another day rather than throwing it away pointlessly trying to take revenge for Emmeryn's death in a battle he had no chance of wining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syndixel Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I would say he's comparable to Finn and Jakob in terms of sheer loyalty. However, there are things Finn would never do that Dedue would absolutely do for Dimitri. Jakob also would not mind doing horrible things if Corrin ordered him to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair General Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Hubert is worse, he openly threatens to kill you for being Edelgard's new teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Both Dedue and Hubert have their reasons, but of them, Dedue's is easier to process. I think the master/retainer relationship is explored in more depth, but I don't think it changes much (if the Fates servants are any indication). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnofiend Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Armchair General said: Hubert is worse, he openly threatens to kill you for being Edelgard's new teacher. Spoiler Hubert is responsible for maintaining a continent-spanning conspiracy that will eventually cause a war, and if they play their hand too soon or are revealed by a false ally then both he and Edelgard will be executed by the church. Now Edelgard is fixated on this new teacher with no real history prior to showing up at Garreg Mach to the point that she essentially confesses her identity as the Flame Emperor. The dude has EVERY REASON to be concerned and to see Byleth as a potential threat. Especially given that, in Silver Snow, he's proven right. Same deal with Seteth in Crimson Flower. Hubert chills out a ton after the time skip because by that point he knows full well that he can trust Byleth. Hubert's more initially shady than Dedue, but the difference is that while Hubert's loyalty is at a similar strength he expresses it far better - he's not just Edelgard's loyal retainer, he's her most trusted adviser. When Hubert's asked the question of if he would do anything for Edelgard by Dorothea, his answer is a resounding no because he will make an exception for things that are not beneficial to her. Dedue's loyalty, on the other hand, blinds him to any rationality. Edited October 9, 2019 by Arachnofiend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulously Olivier Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Dedue seems to tie his very morality to Dimitri, so I would say he is the most extreme in his loyalty. Does that make him the best retainer? Far from it, because he can't really serve as a moral compass for the one he serves. He's less Finn and more Levail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I feel like Hubert's is...not only worse, but downright disturbing at times. Granted, there's probably a lot more reason for it (or at least I'm hoping) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mukmuk Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Duedue may be an extremely loyal retainer, but he doesn't have the same guiding factor as the retainers before him. Hubert is... edgy. And sullen. And strange, to say the least. I don't like Hubert very much. To me, the eptiome of a retainer was Seth. Not only because he was a busted unit, but also because he was Seth. It's kind of hard to explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De Geso Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 "Raised the bar" in terms of devotion, absolutely. I think Hubert makes for a better retainer, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druplesnubb Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) Hubert will go against Edelgard's orders if he believes her are orders are hurting her cause. The problem is that this usually takes the form of killing people Edelgard wanted to spare, threatening/bribing people when Edelgard didn't want him to, and then hiding the truth of what he did to her. In that respect he's actually extremely similar to Iago from Fates. They're also similar in that they're loyal to a human liege rather than being self-serving or devoted to some evil dragon/god like most dark mage villains are. They both also share a (completely justified) suspicion towards the avatar, that isn't shared by their liege. I wouldn't be surprised if Hubert was explicitly based on Iago but with the stupid parts removed. Edited October 12, 2019 by Druplesnubb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlyle Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Dedue is second best retainer of the series in my heart, he still can't take the crown from our best boy Finn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seazas Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Dedue's easily one of the more interesting ones, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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