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So I’ve long felt that Ike is, IMO one of the greatest video game protagonists of all time and Path of Radiance remains my favorite FE Title.

Each Chapter in the game gives some plot elements that can be reduced so avoid redundancy

Have to include whole cast in some capacity. Not everyone in the game has to have a major role though some will have more focus obviously.

For the reasons of her character development in game, my thought  is to ship Jill and Ike. Her initial offset of hating laguz and his initial rejection of her because of it make for a good intersecting of values that would be compelling.

Chapter Prolguue-3 (Bandits)

In a precursor scene,

Renning announces with clashing swords and war noise in the background that the King and Queen have fallen and ushers a grieving Elincia to flee with her escort of Geoffrey, Lucia, Bastian, Kieran, Bron and Nephenee. As she leaves, Elincia screams out Lord Renning’s name as he is struck down by a gleeful Ashanard. Elimcia’s horse is spooked by a stray arrow and she takes a detour by mistake nearly colliding with a startled Soren who is on his way back to Greil’s Mercenary bass.

Boyd, Oscar, Titania and Ike are sent to dispatch some bandits in a  nearby village. It’s Ike’s first mission and he’s being counseled on how to engage with the enemy.  Bandits and being cautioned to pick the right time to strike. Ike disobeys orders when he sees the bandits trying to steal Marcia’s Pegasus Knight while she asks angrily where her brother is. She thanks Ike and flies away leaving Ike and company to stave off the bandits.

They are interrupted when a bandit produces two child hostages in Mist and Rolf who have snuck out on Rhys to help the villagers acting like younger siblings who want to tag along and are saved by Shinjon and Gatrie.

Chapter 4-7:  Fleeing Daein pursuit 

At the base, Greil berates Ike, Rolf and Mist for disobeying orders but Titaniia defends Ike telling Greil  that, in her opinion, Greil himself would have acted no differently. Rhys tells Greil he takes full responsibility for losing Mist and Rolf.

Greil laughs and decides to be lenient with Ike and challenges him to 10 rounds of training matches to Ike’s chagrin.

In a shes next to main base, Rolf is seen meeting Shinon and apologizing profusely but Shinon cuts him off and curtly instructs him to fire 1000 arrows at the target he has set up and while Rolf is doing it, gives Rolf a lecture about discipline and focus and how he shouldn’t have hesitated when the bandits grabbed Mist telling Rolf he taught him better (“One clean motion, no hesitation.”) but praises him for not being seen with a bow reminding Rolf to keep his secret. 

Soren comes into the camp at night knocking on Ike’s chambers. Ike, stiff  and sore from his sparring, hobbled down the stairs and Soren tells him he needs to the Commander right away.

While Elincia explains her plight, they hear a loud knock on the door and find out the “knock” is a flaming arrow which leads to Greil issuing an evacuation order and accepting Elincia’s contract because of the circumstances.

After relentless pursuit, Greil instructs then to split up and he leads a  diversionary force with Gatrie and Shinon.

Ike and the rest of the Greil Meecenaries sneak through the Gallia forest and overhearing the Daein soldiers talk about how terrified of the laguz they are, Soren uses his wind magic and amplifies Oscar’s strange talent for making animal noises (creative license here: The running joke being Oscar can do something you wouldn’t expect him to do given his quiet and calm demeanor) which spooks the guards.

As the guards flee, Ike can see Gallia in the distance and instructs Elincia, Rolf, And Mist to head to safety . Rolf and Mist refuse to leave their siblings behind and Ike reluctantly agrees to let them come along to find Greil.

Remainder plays out very much like the game,  Ike comes across a tower, is ambushed by Daein soldiers led by Petrine  Mia introduces herself with a bombastic entrance where she strikes down an arrow aimed at Rhys.

The skirmish is interrupted when Greil shows up and challenges Petrine to a duel who happily accepts but is instructed by the Black Knight to stand down before challenging Greil himself to single combat at sunset which Greil accepts.  Petrine objects but is assured by the Black Knight she will not be punished for cowardice and tells her that there are more important tasks at hand than killing off some sellswords.

Under this guise, well, we know what happens to Greil...

As you can see, I pull bits and pieces from the first 8 chapters here.

Trying to stay as faithful to the original as possible but have thought about making Jill a love interest for Ike, Soren and his broody branded business, and Stefan teaching Ike about channeling the “spirits of the Zunanma” AKA Sol, Luna, Astra, Colossus, Aether, etc.

Replacing Shinon’s convoluted recruiting method is Rolf challenging him to a one on one winner take all shooting competition to minimize casualties.

Bryce gets beheaded by Ashnard in  a war room conference when Bryce voices an objection. Petrine fears him. I think this sets the tone as to why and Bryce’s character is very limited in exposure and I feel kind of bad leaving a loyal soldier with the bag of honoring a corrupt king so... put him out of his misery.

Thats the foundation of what I have so far. 

Many thoughts on what i should do?

Ive got a lot of cameos to cover.

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As I myself am an aspiring writer, and Path of Radiance is my favourite FE game, here are my thoughts:

I think it would be better adapted into a show (like an anime or an anime-esque cartoon) than a movie; both due to the format and pacing of the story, as well as the number of characters and plotlines and their respective lengths. Something with multiple episodes makes a lot more sense than a film. 

As for making Jill a love-interest for Ike, I can see where you're coming from in terms of character, but no; just no...

Renning can't be struck down by Ashnard as he was captured and made into Bertram. 

A lot of these changes sound rather unnecessary and take away from the value of those scenes as they were in the game. For example, Greil choosing to help Princess Crimea only because flaming arrows have already been loosed undermines the intellect of Greil and Daein present in the original game. In the game, Daein displayed a sense of pragmatism (and cunning) by trying to get the mercenaries to hand over Elincia willingly (thus ensuring they capture her alive and unharmed) before getting rid of the witnesses through flaming arrows, and Greil displays tactical skill and experience by noticing how unnaturally quiet everything is and realizing that the Greil Mercenaries are completely surrounded. 

I'm sure there's more I could say, but I'm really tired right now, so I'll stop there.

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Hm, not a bad idea in concept! PoR is one of my favorite games of all time too and Ike is one of my favorite video game characters ever. What you've got here sounds solid!

33 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

As for making Jill a love-interest for Ike, I can see where you're coming from in terms of character, but no; just no...

But I gotta agree with this, mainly because I just believe if Ike is shipped with anyone, it's gotta be Elincia. They already have sooo much chemistry in PoR. I'd also say Lethe if not for the fact that if a laguz has a kid with a beorc, the laguz loses their powers and Lethe would never let that happen. And I like the idea of Ike someday becoming a dad.

It's your script though, so it's your choice.

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3 hours ago, vanguard333 said:

As I myself am an aspiring writer, and Path of Radiance is my favourite FE game, here are my thoughts:

I think it would be better adapted into a show (like an anime or an anime-esque cartoon) than a movie; both due to the format and pacing of the story, as well as the number of characters and plotlines and their respective lengths. Something with multiple episodes makes a lot more sense than a film. 

As for making Jill a love-interest for Ike, I can see where you're coming from in terms of character, but no; just no...

Renning can't be struck down by Ashnard as he was captured and made into Bertram. 

A lot of these changes sound rather unnecessary and take away from the value of those scenes as they were in the game. For example, Greil choosing to help Princess Crimea only because flaming arrows have already been loosed undermines the intellect of Greil and Daein present in the original game. In the game, Daein displayed a sense of pragmatism (and cunning) by trying to get the mercenaries to hand over Elincia willingly (thus ensuring they capture her alive and unharmed) before getting rid of the witnesses through flaming arrows, and Greil displays tactical skill and experience by noticing how unnaturally quiet everything is and realizing that the Greil Mercenaries are completely surrounded. 

I'm sure there's more I could say, but I'm really tired right now, so I'll stop there.

I hear what you’re saying and here is my response:

What you say about episodic storytelling has its merits and probably would be better but I’m also looking to challenge myself creatively using a less than ideal format. Now that doesn’t mean I’m going to sacrifice quality needlessly that would be the working principle here. 

Secondly you forget that Renning is PRESUMED dead in Path of Radiance and what better way to enforce that presumption than with a such an event? It’s a little known fact but broadswords function as bludgeons as well as slashing weapons so someone who has proficiency with such a medieval style weapon would know how to utilize it both ways as it takes a lot more effort to slash armor  than simply utilizing impact.

Your feedback where Greil is concerned is notably worthwhile. I never really paused to consider his character being as beloved to fans because of his “Uncle Ben” role relative to Ike. 

The Jill and Ike thing is admittedly one of the bigger risks I am taking with upsetting fans and in an episodic format, I would abstain but when centralizing key characters, Jill falls squarely in that category.

in either format  Bryce’s head rolls because imo he is the most depressing of the Camus archetypes... Even Camus wasn’t bound to a liege Lord that murdered his entire family and waved it in his face! That’s just harsh. 

2 hours ago, Anacybele said:

Hm, not a bad idea in concept! PoR is one of my favorite games of all time too and Ike is one of my favorite video game characters ever. What you've got here sounds solid!

But I gotta agree with this, mainly because I just believe if Ike is shipped with anyone, it's gotta be Elincia. They already have sooo much chemistry in PoR. I'd also say Lethe if not for the fact that if a laguz has a kid with a beorc, the laguz loses their powers and Lethe would never let that happen. And I like the idea of Ike someday becoming a dad.

It's your script though, so it's your choice.

When it comes to Elincia shipping, there are bonds formed with Ike for sure but there is so much more than brotherly love coming from Geoffrey here that I just find it hard to picture anyone else becoming King of Crimea to me especially with how much Ike hated being a noble let  alone bearing a crown! The issue is not relationship chemistry but more lifestyle compatibility.

Besides, don’t get me started on the fact that Soren and Ranulf get the secret paired ending treatment via A supports in POR transferring.  

Ive beard Awakening clarifies Ike as heterosexual but there is no denying Soren’s devotion goes a little bit beyond platonic. 

I’ve always thought Muarin and Lethe have such endearing supports, it makes me go “Aw... I hope those two have little kittens someday!”  but that’s personal taste. I could see Lethe being a pairing for Ike though. She bridges the gap  between Jill and Mist support wise and if you’re fielding Soren then... Ike not supporting Mist isn’t a big deal...

 

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5 hours ago, Dr. C said:

What you say about episodic storytelling has its merits and probably would be better but I’m also looking to challenge myself creatively using a less than ideal format. Now that doesn’t mean I’m going to sacrifice quality needlessly that would be the working principle here. 

I understand; I just wanted to point out that an episodic storytelling method would be more ideal. If you have to condense it down to a film format, a part 1/part 2 format might not be a bad idea. 

 

5 hours ago, Dr. C said:

Secondly you forget that Renning is PRESUMED dead in Path of Radiance and what better way to enforce that presumption than with a such an event? It’s a little known fact but broadswords function as bludgeons as well as slashing weapons so someone who has proficiency with such a medieval style weapon would know how to utilize it both ways as it takes a lot more effort to slash armor  than simply utilizing impact.

I did not forget; I merely misinterpreted what you said as, "struck down"  usually means the person you're showing the character being killed. 

"It's a little known fact but broadswords function as bludgeons as well as slashing weapons" As someone who is a practitioner of HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) and someone who does a lot of research about Medieval Europe, I have two main problems with this:

  • There is no medieval weapon called a "broadsword". Broadsword refers to Scottish Basket-Hilted swords from the 18th Century. The official names for the different Medieval European swords are, "Arming Swords" for one-handed, double-edged swords, "longswords" for two-handed swords that can still be worn at the side, "greatswords" for two-handed battlefield swords that were nearly the length of the wielder, "falchion (not that one)" for the single-edged battlefield sword that gets wider near the tip, and "messer" for the single-edged swords that have grips like that of a knife. 
  • If you're talking about using the blade to bludgeon, that's not a little-known fact, that's a common misconception about Medieval European swords. If you try to cut plate armour, a sword will just bounce off harmlessly. There are only three ways to beat someone in plate armour using a sword:
  1. use the sword to assist in grappling the opponent to the ground
  2. half-swording: where you grab the blade with one hand for better point-control and thrust into the gaps in the plate armour
  3. Mordhau: you grab the blade with both hands and bludgeon the opponent using the crossguard or the pommel

The thing is, those latter two techniques can only be done with arming swords or longswords, which have a small enough width that the hand can fit comfortably around the blade. Tell me, since you wrote it that Ashnard presumably "strikes him down", where is Ashnard supposed to grip his sword (picture below) for a Mordhau?

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To be fair, when a sword gets long enough that it can no longer be used as a sidearm (i.e. a greatsword), it can sort-of bludgeon with the blade; a blow from it will certainly pack a punch, but will be nowhere near as effective as a dedicated bludgeoning tool such as a war hammer or a mace; especially a two-handed war hammer such as a Lucerne. 

 

5 hours ago, Dr. C said:

Your feedback where Greil is concerned is notably worthwhile. I never really paused to consider his character being as beloved to fans because of his “Uncle Ben” role relative to Ike. 

He's beloved to fans because he's the first Fire Emblem dad to live long enough for the player to understand him as a character before he goes, his death being a massive blow to the entire mercenary company as well as the source of Ike's character development from rookie to leader, him still having an impact on the story even after his death (Lehran's Medallion, Ike's vendetta against the Black Knight, etc.), as well as being a massive badass. Incidentally, he's also one of only three Path of Radiance characters whose voice acting was actually pretty good.

Dismissing his role as just "Ike's Uncle Ben" takes away form Greil and from Uncle Ben a little bit. All they really have in common is that they are a parental figure that dies; spurring the hero into action. But their impact on their respective hero goes deeper than that for both of them, and that's where the differences lie. Greil is The Mentor to Ike; everything Ike has learned before Greil's death, he learned from Greil. Ike constantly compares himself to his dad; worried that he'll never be as good a fighter or a leader as his dad when the time comes. His death means that time for Ike to step up to the plate has come sooner than anyone realized it would, and Ike is without that bar he set for himself; without his teacher, before he's ready. It's Ike's personal darkest hour. 

Sorry; it's just that, as an aspiring writer whose read a lot about different aspects of writing in the hopes that my fantasy war novel series will be well-written, I can't help but gush about Path of Radiance's story, because it gets so much right in terms of plot and character writing (and worldbuilding) that so many other FE games (especially the 3DS ones) get so wrong. 

 

5 hours ago, Dr. C said:

The Jill and Ike thing is admittedly one of the bigger risks I am taking with upsetting fans and in an episodic format, I would abstain but when centralizing key characters, Jill falls squarely in that category.

I have to agree with @Anacybele; it really should be Elincia. There's a lot of chemistry in the original game to utilize (especially in the NA localization), and besides; Jill has enough character dynamics to utilize as it is: her going from arrogant and ill-tempered towards Ike to respecting him as a leader, her budding friendship with Mist, her interactions with Lethe that help lead her to question what she was taught about Laguz (and what Lethe was taught about Beorc), and of course her relationship with her commander, Prince Valium Haar.

 

6 hours ago, Dr. C said:

in either format  Bryce’s head rolls because imo he is the most depressing of the Camus archetypes... Even Camus wasn’t bound to a liege Lord that murdered his entire family and waved it in his face! That’s just harsh. 

I'm not sure if this is wise. In the original game, if you have Tauroneo fight Bryce, this happens:

Bryce: Ah, Tauroneo… I see that you have found another path to follow. Perhaps you were inspired by my old friend Gawain.

Tauroneo: Tell me, Bryce. Beyond mountains of corpses, what do you see Ashnard bringing to the future of this place?

Bryce: …I see nothing, save for a land of absolute darkness and terror.

Tauroneo: Then why fight by his side?

Bryce: Some men can change, Tauroneo. Others cannot… I am of the latter type. There is no other reason.

I think, if anything, it might be wiser to expand his role in Repatriation (the final battle) in some small way if possible. Just a thought. 

6 hours ago, Dr. C said:

When it comes to Elincia shipping, there are bonds formed with Ike for sure but there is so much more than brotherly love coming from Geoffrey here that I just find it hard to picture anyone else becoming King of Crimea to me especially with how much Ike hated being a noble let  alone bearing a crown! The issue is not relationship chemistry but more lifestyle compatibility.

 

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I'm only double-posting because SerenesForest is refusing to let me edit for some reason:

Regarding the quote where I left off before my reply got automatically posted for some reason even though I wasn't even finished typing, let alone not clicking the "submit reply" button, I was going to say this in response:

6 hours ago, Dr. C said:

When it comes to Elincia shipping, there are bonds formed with Ike for sure but there is so much more than brotherly love coming from Geoffrey here that I just find it hard to picture anyone else becoming King of Crimea to me especially with how much Ike hated being a noble let  alone bearing a crown! The issue is not relationship chemistry but more lifestyle compatibility.

Besides, don’t get me started on the fact that Soren and Ranulf get the secret paired ending treatment via A supports in POR transferring.  

Ive beard Awakening clarifies Ike as heterosexual but there is no denying Soren’s devotion goes a little bit beyond platonic. 

 

There's a problem here; it may be obvious that Geoffrey likes Elincia, but there's no indication in Path of Radiance that Elincia sees Geoffrey as anything more than her foster brother. Attraction has to go both ways, and all evidence points to her seeing him as a brother. 

Plus, who says Ike has to become king? No spouse of a queen in Tellius ever automatically becomes king. In Radiant Dawn, neither Geoffrey nor Sothe ever become king despite being married to queens. 

As for Soren and Ike, they're friends. Everything in the game about their character dynamic is about them being close friends. In Soren's case, it's especially poignant because Ike is his only friend. Ike is the one that found him and brought him into the Greil Mercenaries after the sage that raised Soren died. They're friends. 

Lately, it seems like whenever any two people of the same gender are portrayed as close friends, half the audience assumes they must be gay. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there are people who ship Ed and Alphonse Elric, despite them being a) straight, and b) brothers. 

Also, Awakening doesn't really "clarify it": he has a descendant named Priam, but when you remember that Marth is considered Anri's descendant despite descending from Anri's brother (as Anri himself had no kids due to his tragic romance with Nyna's ancestor), Priam could easily be Mist's descendant. 

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7 hours ago, Dr. C said:

When it comes to Elincia shipping, there are bonds formed with Ike for sure but there is so much more than brotherly love coming from Geoffrey here that I just find it hard to picture anyone else becoming King of Crimea to me especially with how much Ike hated being a noble let  alone bearing a crown! The issue is not relationship chemistry but more lifestyle compatibility.

Besides, don’t get me started on the fact that Soren and Ranulf get the secret paired ending treatment via A supports in POR transferring.  

Ive beard Awakening clarifies Ike as heterosexual but there is no denying Soren’s devotion goes a little bit beyond platonic. 

I’ve always thought Muarin and Lethe have such endearing supports, it makes me go “Aw... I hope those two have little kittens someday!”  but that’s personal taste. I could see Lethe being a pairing for Ike though. She bridges the gap  between Jill and Mist support wise and if you’re fielding Soren then... Ike not supporting Mist isn’t a big deal...

1. I have to disagree, especially since the official art book more or less confirms that Geoffrey and Elincia, or at least just Elincia, see one another as siblings and that they grew up as sibings. And their support felt more like a little sister trying to tell her big brother to stop being overprotective. I cannot take the idea of them as a pairing seriously because of all this. To me they're siblings without being blood related, and as someone who grew up with stepsiblings, the idea of shipping them is borderline disturbing to me. And even worse? Because of the art book and support indicating a sibling type relationship, Elincia's ending with Geoffrey could be seen as just settling or political and not for love! Geoffrey, while I'm not his biggest fan, deserves better than that imo. And I have a hard time seeing Elincia being okay with marrying simply so she has someone to make an heir with. She totally would rather marry for love.

2. Ike doesn't necessarily have to be king. There's also a title called Prince Consort which was actually what would happen a lot in real life if a guy married a queen instead of a woman marrying a king. Prince Consort, from what I've heard, would be something more suited to Ike's tastes, as he'd be doing a lot of military stuff while the queen is the actual ruler. There's also the possibility that Elincia could've allowed Renning to take over for her, as it was his right in the first place and he is alive and well in RD after being healed of the feral drug. And this would allow her to leave the royal life behind and join Ike as a traveling mercenary. She'd love to see the world too, I think, as she seemed to enjoy seeing and learning about new places despite a war going on. I mean, she WAS hidden away most of her life, so she didn't get out much.

3. Ike has endings with Soren and Ranulf, yes, but neither mention anything about marriage or romance, so they can't be called pairings in that regard.

All in all, really, I just think RD's treatment of Elincia's relationships with Ike and Geoffrey is mostly messy and ew and it's hard to make sense of some of the stuff that was done with them. And this is coming from someone who loves RD Ike and Elincia as characters besides that.

45 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

There's a problem here; it may be obvious that Geoffrey likes Elincia, but there's no indication in Path of Radiance that Elincia sees Geoffrey as anything more than her foster brother. Attraction has to go both ways, and all evidence points to her seeing him as a brother. 

Plus, who says Ike has to become king? No spouse of a queen in Tellius ever automatically becomes king. In Radiant Dawn, neither Geoffrey nor Sothe ever become king despite being married to queens. 

Yep, this precisely.

However, again, it's your script, so I can't stop you. I'm just offering you other points of view that you might want to consider. I admit I used to seriously cringe and stuff at people shipping Geoffrey with Elincia in art/fics, especially if it was at the expense of Ike's own feelings and making him feel bad and stuff. But these days, I'm better than that and Geoffrey never deserved all that hate I'd give him (even though I hated him for more than just being Elincia's only marriage option). I don't think he got enough screen time to truly shine as a character, but I can appreciate that he's a chivalrous knight type and that his hair is my favorite color. 😛

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7 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

1. I have to disagree, especially since the official art book more or less confirms that Geoffrey and Elincia, or at least just Elincia, see one another as siblings and that they grew up as sibings. And their support felt more like a little sister trying to tell her big brother to stop being overprotective. I cannot take the idea of them as a pairing seriously because of all this. To me they're siblings without being blood related, and as someone who grew up with stepsiblings, the idea of shipping them is borderline disturbing to me. And even worse? Because of the art book and support indicating a sibling type relationship, Elincia's ending with Geoffrey could be seen as just settling or political and not for love! Geoffrey, while I'm not his biggest fan, deserves better than that imo. And I have a hard time seeing Elincia being okay with marrying simply so she has someone to make an heir with. She totally would rather marry for love.

2. Ike doesn't necessarily have to be king. There's also a title called Prince Consort which was actually what would happen a lot in real life if a guy married a queen instead of a woman marrying a king. Prince Consort, from what I've heard, would be something more suited to Ike's tastes, as he'd be doing a lot of military stuff while the queen is the actual ruler. There's also the possibility that Elincia could've allowed Renning to take over for her, as it was his right in the first place and he is alive and well in RD after being healed of the feral drug. And this would allow her to leave the royal life behind and join Ike as a traveling mercenary. She'd love to see the world too, I think, as she seemed to enjoy seeing and learning about new places despite a war going on. I mean, she WAS hidden away most of her life, so she didn't get out much.

All in all, really, I just think RD's treatment of Elincia's relationships with Ike and Geoffrey is mostly messy and ew and it's hard to make sense of some of the stuff that was done with them. And this is coming from someone who loves RD Ike as a character besides that.

Yep, this precisely.

However, again, it's your script, so I can't stop you. I'm just offering you other points of view that you might want to consider. I admit I used to seriously cringe and stuff at people shipping Geoffrey with Elincia in art/fics, especially if it was at the expense of Ike's own feelings and making him feel bad and stuff. But these days, I'm better than that and Geoffrey never deserved all that hate I'd give him (even though I hated him for more than just being Elincia's only marriage option). I don't think he got enough screen time to truly shine as a character, but I can appreciate that he's a chivalrous knight type and that his hair is my favorite color. 😛

You’re being too modest.

Yeah it is “my script” but I’m asking for feedback and given me a lot to think about.

in my defense I didn’t know that about Geoffrey’s relationship with Elincia. Not a Source I’ve access to.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. C said:

You’re being too modest.

Yeah it is “my script” but I’m asking for feedback and given me a lot to think about.

in my defense I didn’t know that about Geoffrey’s relationship with Elincia. Not a Source I’ve access to. 

I see, but I guess I'm just afraid of coming off as forceful or something. xP Like you, I have Asperger's and don't always know how I'm coming off to others. I'm glad you don't think I'm sounding like I'm trying to force you to do anything.

Understandable, not everyone saw the stuff translated from the official art book. Though in-game it is confirmed somewhere that Elincia, Lucia, and Geoffrey are milk/foster siblings.

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5 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

1. I have to disagree, especially since the official art book more or less confirms that Geoffrey and Elincia, or at least just Elincia, see one another as siblings and that they grew up as sibings. And their support felt more like a little sister trying to tell her big brother to stop being overprotective. I cannot take the idea of them as a pairing seriously because of all this. To me they're siblings without being blood related, and as someone who grew up with stepsiblings, the idea of shipping them is borderline disturbing to me. And even worse? Because of the art book and support indicating a sibling type relationship, Elincia's ending with Geoffrey could be seen as just settling or political and not for love! Geoffrey, while I'm not his biggest fan, deserves better than that imo. And I have a hard time seeing Elincia being okay with marrying simply so she has someone to make an heir with. She totally would rather marry for love.

Agreed. Very much agreed. I don't have set-siblings, and I find it weird.

The reason I defend Micaiah and Sothe is mainly that I can't think of a single moment where they see each other as like siblings; the closest being Sothe saying, "We're family" and that can mean more than one thing. Throughout the story, strong emphasis is made on the fact that they are not like siblings; the same cannot be said about Elincia and Geoffrey. 

 

10 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yep, this precisely.

Thanks. Just wondering; what did you think of my other points?

 

11 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

However, again, it's your script, so I can't stop you. I'm just offering you other points of view that you might want to consider. 

I would like to stress this as well. I'm just trying to provide my own insight as an aspiring writer. 

 

12 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I admit I used to seriously cringe and stuff at people shipping Geoffrey with Elincia, especially if it was at the expense of Ike's own feelings and making him feel bad and stuff. But these days, I'm better than that and Geoffrey never deserved all that hate I'd give him (even though I hated him for more than just being Elincia's only marriage option). I don't think he got enough screen time to truly shine as a character, but I can appreciate that he's a chivalrous knight type and that his hair is my favorite color. 😛

Funny; I never disliked Geoffrey, but I didn't like his character either. His character hit extremely placidly for me. "Oh; he's a knight, and he's Elincia's brother. Okay. Does he have anything else? Is he maybe overly formal, overly blunt, overly Shakespeare-wannabe?" I too can appreciate that he's a chivalrous knight.

 

3 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I see, but I guess I'm just afraid of coming off as forceful or something. xP Like you, I have Asperger's and don't always know how I'm coming off to others. I'm glad you don't think I'm sounding like I'm trying to force you to do anything.

High-Functioning Autism in my case, but same reason: I have no idea how I'm coming off to others, especially online. That's one reason why I'm really trying to say this stuff in terms of writing/character/worldbuilding and as an aspiring writer; I hope that there's less ambiguity when I phrase it like that. 

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1 hour ago, vanguard333 said:

Agreed. Very much agreed. I don't have set-siblings, and I find it weird.

The reason I defend Micaiah and Sothe is mainly that I can't think of a single moment where they see each other as like siblings; the closest being Sothe saying, "We're family" and that can mean more than one thing. Throughout the story, strong emphasis is made on the fact that they are not like siblings; the same cannot be said about Elincia and Geoffrey. 

Oh yeah, Sothe and Micaiah are worse to me because they literally actually call each other their brother/sister in RD. Did you forget that bit?

1 hour ago, vanguard333 said:

Thanks. Just wondering; what did you think of my other points?

Oh, they all look fine to me. I'm sorry if I can't say a lot, I'm not good at coming up with a bunch of things to say at once. xP But I do think you brought up some good ones, particularly the thing about Ike and Soren just being friends and how it seems like any same-gender pair of friends has to be gay in so many fans' eyes. This bugs me so much, particularly when the characters in question are portrayed as straight or have no indications of being gay. Like Sain and Kent in FE7 for instance. Sain is a skirt chaser. Kent has a crush on Lyn and never showed any interest in any guys. Why must fans force them to be gay?

1 hour ago, vanguard333 said:

Funny; I never disliked Geoffrey, but I didn't like his character either. His character hit extremely placidly for me. "Oh; he's a knight, and he's Elincia's brother. Okay. Does he have anything else? Is he maybe overly formal, overly blunt, overly Shakespeare-wannabe?" I too can appreciate that he's a chivalrous knight.

Yeah, that's basically how I view him now, honestly. But I wouldn't say he's a Shakespeare wannabe, that's Bastian. XD

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12 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Oh yeah, Sothe and Micaiah are worse to me because they literally actually call each other their brother/sister in RD. Did you forget that bit?

Must have. When did that happen?

 

13 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Oh, they all look fine to me. I'm sorry if I can't say a lot, I'm not good at coming up with a bunch of things to say at once. xP But I do think you brought up some good ones, particularly the thing about Ike and Soren just being friends and how it seems like any same-gender pair of friends has to be gay in so many fans' eyes. This bugs me so much, particularly when the characters in question are portrayed as straight or have no indications of being gay. Like Sain and Kent in FE7 for instance. Sain is a skirt chaser. Kent has a crush on Lyn and never showed any interest in any guys. Why must fans force them to be gay?

Thanks. Yeah; it's a bit weird. I think it's because there's so many literary shortcuts for writing romance subplots in modern media and we've been exposed to them for so long that we've basically been trained to assume romance when we see anything that tends to get used as a shortcut. 

 

16 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, that's basically how I view him now, honestly. But I wouldn't say he's a Shakespeare wannabe, that's Bastian. XD

That was the joke; I was saying he didn't have anything that stood out when compared to the other characters. The idea of the joke was that I listed two relatively general quirks, and then the third one was an obvious and specific reference to Bastian. 

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8 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Must have. When did that happen?

RD, of course. Micaiah doesn't appear in PoR. I remember she introduced Sothe to someone as her brother at some point.

10 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

Thanks. Yeah; it's a bit weird. I think it's because there's so many literary shortcuts for writing romance subplots in modern media and we've been exposed to them for so long that we've basically been trained to assume romance when we see anything that tends to get used as a shortcut. 

Yeah, I suppose so.

10 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

That was the joke; I was saying he didn't have anything that stood out when compared to the other characters. The idea of the joke was that I listed two relatively general quirks, and then the third one was an obvious and specific reference to Bastian. 

Ohhh. lol I see now. Sorry, jokes tend to just fly over my head online since it's just text and I'm not good at getting jokes to begin with. xP

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Just now, Anacybele said:

RD, of course. Micaiah doesn't appear in PoR. I remember she introduced Sothe to someone as her brother at some point.

I didn't mean which game. I meant do you remember when in the game it was that they said that? 

 

2 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Ohhh. lol I see now. Sorry, jokes tend to just fly over my head online since it's just text and I'm not good at getting jokes to begin with. xP

It's okay. I probably could've phrased my joke a bit better and made it a bit more clear while still being funny. 

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1 minute ago, vanguard333 said:

I didn't mean which game. I meant do you remember when in the game it was that they said that?  

Oh, no. Sorry... It's been awhile since I last played RD.

1 minute ago, vanguard333 said:

It's okay. I probably could've phrased my joke a bit better and made it a bit more clear while still being funny. 

Maybe, though I do still think it's funny anyway. 😛

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In terms of shipping, I have some suggestions that range from "awww!" To "saucy/spicy" and "gross"

Love triangle between Lyre and Lethe for Ranulf (I guess, but Lyre isn't in this game)

Tormod and Sanaki. Cringe inducing pick up lines that Tormod could use: Tormod:  "You said you hate slavery, but you enslaved my heart!" (Sorry)

Mist and Rolf. 

Marcia and Gatrie

 

Just for fun

 

Ike and Oliver

Mordecai and Muarim

Soren and Titania

Stefan and Zihark

 

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7 hours ago, Benice said:

Mist and Rolf. 

That reminds me: this needs to be in the film. At least tease it. It is far better and more natural than Mist and Boyd. 

 

7 hours ago, Benice said:

Tormod and Sanaki. Cringe inducing pick up lines that Tormod could use: Tormod:  "You said you hate slavery, but you enslaved my heart!" (Sorry)

Tormod and Sanaki are those kinds of characters that would probably flirt with each other by bickering and throwing insults that deep down are signs of affection; especially given how the two of them first meet and how each one talks about the other. Their first kiss would probably involve Tormod saying something without thinking, Sanaki saying some witty and high-class version of, "You're a doofus" before blushing and kissing him. 

 

7 hours ago, Benice said:

Soren and Titania

Short answer: No

Long Answer: Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Besides, their dynamic as Ike's two advisors who disagree on everything is a big part of the story; trying to throw anything extra into that dynamic would just muddy the water. 

 

7 hours ago, Benice said:

Stefan and Zihark

You do realize Zihark is still grieving his Laguz girlfriend; right? Besides, if Zihark should end up with anyone, it should be Ilyana, and only after he's able to move on. 

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7 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

It is far better and more natural than Mist and Boyd

THANK YOU

8 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

 

I'd also like to point out that Ranulf needs some romance action, because it was absent on his part in his games.

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4 minutes ago, Benice said:

THANK YOU

I'd also like to point out that Ranulf needs some romance action, because it was absent on his part in his games.

You're welcome. 

If I may ask, what part were you replying to with the second line? I can't see the quote. 

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I was going to tell you that Sefan/Zihark and Soren X Titania were jokes, but I decided against it but could figure out how to delete the quote box....

32 minutes ago, vanguard333 said:

 

If I may ask, what part were you replying to with the second line? I can't see the quote. 

Whoops

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13 minutes ago, Benice said:

I was going to tell you that Sefan/Zihark and Soren X Titania were jokes, but I decided against it but could figure out how to delete the quote box....

Whoops

Ah. It's okay. No harm done. 

I knew they were jokes; my response to the latter one was also a joke, though one based in truth.

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I prefer Rolf x Mist over Boyd x Mist myself, but I don't mind the latter. So I have no real input there.

As for Ranulf, I gave him an OC, but that's obviously not going to happen here. I couldn't decide whether I liked him more with Lethe or Lyre, so I took another route instead. I would just go with who you feel is best for him, that's all I can say.

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@vanguard333 @Anacybele @Benice

Tormod X Sanaki with a bickering relationship... I rather like!

Mist and Boyd has a more credible canon but Rolf does look a lot more natural on paper.

Stefan and Zihark is... a bit offbeat lol. It's a joke pair but if we are being frank, Soren's sexual orientation is suspect because even someone like myself who begs the question of why cant two straight men show affection towards each other can't help but point at Soren and go GAY FOR IKE GAY FOR IKE and Stefan is particularly devoted to the Branded.

I really hope the whole clarifying Ike as straight in Awakening is fake news because wtf with those secret paired endings if you weren't hinting at bisexuality at least!  

Now that I think about it... I mean Aimee is bar none the most persistent going after Ike.  Elincia and Ike have the bond but Aimee has the drive and determination to make it happen. 

I really like Zihark and while I'm not a fan of Illyana, that does seem like a more natural pairing. 

General consensus is Jill and Ike too controversial and Bryce getting his head lopped off for challenging Ashanard and getting his happy ending is the best idea ever!

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2 minutes ago, Dr. C said:

I really hope the whole clarifying Ike as straight in Awakening is fake news because wtf with those secret paired endings if you weren't hinting at bisexuality at least!  

Because paired endings don't have to be romantic all the time? There are a few platonic pairings in Sacred Stones as well, and most recently, Three Houses has done some of those.

Hell, I would've been fine with a platonic Ike and Elincia ending even though I ship them romantically. It's at least SOMETHING for them rather than the absolute nothing they did get.

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1 hour ago, Anacybele said:

Because paired endings don't have to be romantic all the time? There are a few platonic pairings in Sacred Stones as well, and most recently, Three Houses has done some of those.

Hell, I would've been fine with a platonic Ike and Elincia ending even though I ship them romantically. It's at least SOMETHING for them rather than the absolute nothing they did get.

As I’ve said regarding Ike and Soren. Platonic possible but Soren’s level of devotion tonIke really pushes that line.  At the very least I feel it’s safe to daub Soren has feelings for Ike.

iI am fond of the Lucius Raven paired ending myself. I

I am not out to make a dating sim lol but  from a screenwriting standpoint, of course the main character ets a love interest. The question is who?

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