Anacybele Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) As much as I love Claude as a character, I'm absolutely hating having to fight against him. He's freaking OP. Not nearly as simple to take out as Dimitri and Edelgard are. I don't know what IS was thinking when they decided that Claude would be a wyvern bow wielder with insane range and crazy good stats while Dimitri and Edelgard get...not much. Edelgard's stuck as a lame armor who you can just easily pick off with magic. She seems the worst of the bunch. Dimitri is good, but still has much more limited range and movement than Claude. At the very least, I wish Dimitri had gotten a horse for his unique class (he even got one in Heroes for some reason). Edelgard could stand to be able to access magic. Etc. Anyway, I don't know how to stop Claude from killing someone in my party before I can do much to him. Bows don't even do much damage. I tried, he didn't even lose half his HP bar (and this was with either a killer or silver bow, btw). I guess he has an ability or skill that nullifies fliers' weakness to bows on top of his weapon, range, and stats. And he often retreats out of my attack range after attacking, whether his target survives or not. And he hits really hard. And he's fast, so I'm not sure I have many units that won't be hit twice by him. I've made sure my party has the best combinations of abilities and stuff that they can have right now, so that's not an issue. This is Azure Moon chapter 17 I'm struggling in, by the way. I've tried it many times at this point. I also even tried using some advice already. Honestly though, IS should've made the three house leaders more equally good. I feel the gap between Claude and the other two is ridiculous. Edited December 30, 2019 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diovani Bressan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Meh... no big deal. Never had problems with him. Edited December 30, 2019 by Diovani Bressan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Diovani Bressan said: Nah... no big deal. Never had problems with him. Then what did you do to make him so easy? That's what I'm asking. xP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diovani Bressan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Anacybele said: Then what did you do to make him so easy? That's what I'm asking. xP How do people deal with Claude as an enemy? Just kill him with a ranged unit. Simple as that. Brave Bows or high damage magic. Gambits can also do the trick. Although, the last time I offered help to someone, that person was kinda agressive when the idea didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-Haired Maiden Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Personally I stuck Felix alone in his range, used Impregnable Wall on him, then battered Claude down with a 4x strike with gauntlets. The other time I used Byleth I think and she dodged his attack and killed him on the retaliation. But this Byleth had super high avoid and speed so that's probably not something that can be easily replicated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrcaWolf Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I’ve never had any problems. I forgot how I killed him but I think I killed him with Byleth in BE but I don’t remember who I killed him with in BL. He is tough though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diovani Bressan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If it's the Gronder Field battle, just wait until Claude get closer and kill him with archers and mages. If it's the Derdriu Map, Claude doesn't move, which makes the job easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Diovani Bressan said: How do people deal with Claude as an enemy? Just kill him with a ranged unit. Simple as that. Brave Bows or high damage magic. Gambits can also do the trick. Although, the last time I offered help to someone, that person was kinda agressive when the idea didn't work. I don't have a brave bow right now. But maybe I can buy one. 9 minutes ago, Silver-Haired Maiden said: Personally I stuck Felix alone in his range, used Impregnable Wall on him, then battered Claude down with a 4x strike with gauntlets. What's Impregnable Wall? 1 minute ago, Diovani Bressan said: If it's the Gronder Field battle, just wait until Claude get closer and kill him with archers and mages. If it's the Derdriu Map, Claude doesn't move, which makes the job easier. I said chapter 17, so it's the Gronder Field battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If anybody can survive a round with Claude, bait him at the very end of his range. That way he can't canto away, since he spent all his movement. With other units just behind your tank, they can all mob him on the next player phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, Anacybele said: What's Impregnable Wall? A defensive gambit that cuts damage dealt and taken by whoever is affected to 1 for the remainder of the turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-Haired Maiden Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Anacybele said: What's Impregnable Wall? A gambit that makes it so all damage dealt is only 1 for the remainder of the round. It works quite well for Claude as it allows you to bait him out safely and then your damage comes back for the player phase so you can swarm and kill him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Oh, I see. That could be helpful, if I have it on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Holy Elf Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Claude's big weakness (which actually makes him the easiest to deal with on Maddening IMO) is that he can't counter if you attack him from beyond range 3, due to lacking the Counterattack skill the other major story bosses (Edelgard, Dimitri, and Rhea) have. This means that mages with Thyrsus, or Caduceus + Thoron, or Meteor can take free shots at him, as can archers using skills such as Curved Shot (though they'll have lower hit due to range penalties), softening him for someone else to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Oh yeah, I could try some of those things too. Though I also have to make sure I don't leave anyone in range of others who could take them out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Holy Elf Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If Claude ends up in the middle of a swarm of enemies, I recommend hitting them with Wave Attack (the gambit on the King of Lions battalion which Dimitri got after the time-skip) to halt their movement which should help protect anyone squishy you have nearby. Don't target Claude himself with it because his charm is very high so the hit rate won't be good. Obviously trying to put your more durable units in front of the mages/archers is helpful too. It might be possible to separate Claude from his friends before you engage him too, but as I didn't do it personally, I'll leave that advice to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msterforks Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 A recent maddening LTC taught me that blessing + guard adjutant lets any unit survive a round of combat from any enemy. There's a lot of tools and solutions, so pick something that works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) I mean he does not have to die if he's beaten, so I can hardly see an issue. Edited December 31, 2019 by Zemuria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fates-Blade Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Defeat him with Sublime Heaven after chipping away at his health with Archers, Mages and others I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneRecon400 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) The Sacred Shield Gambit on the Kingdom Heavy Knights Battalion completely nullifies all attacks at range. This will make any unit invulnerable to Claude's attacks and can make an otherwise defensively weak ranged unit capable of luring and safely engage him in combat. Then it's all a matter of getting another unit to take him down on player phase. Dimtri with Atrocity, a Sniper with Hunter's Volley, or any unit with a Brave Weapon will be a good choice. Edited December 31, 2019 by LoneRecon400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roger The Paladin Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I guess I've just been very lucky with my archer's strength growths and crit rates (which I admit tend to be bolstered by a killer bow and crit ring for the crit rate, and an energy drop/rocky burdocks for the strength). Because I've been able to one shot him every time with a crit. The only time I had even the slightest trouble was the one time he targetted one of Edelgard's units with Fallen Star, leaving me having to come up with a way to survive a turn with him in range where he couldn't be hit back. As soon as it wore off though, he was screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Druid Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I got lucky during my battle with him and all of the GD army ran straight into the burning mound that the just defeated Edelgard set on fire for no reason. Because the dumb cavs (LEONIE) were hogging up room on the mound and preventing heavy hitters like Hilda coming my way, Claude was the only one who just flew over to start messing with us. He flew into my range (but still too far to attack me) where I had Dimitri, Dedue, and Felix rush at him and threw whatever gambit I had left at him. Unfortunately the gambits didn't work because Claude's charm is so high so Dimitri just procs a crit with Areadbhar to save me some stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) The one time I faced him at Gronder Part 2, all I did was leave Killer Edge Felix in his range. He missed and got crit, making it pretty anti-climatic lol. He was the first and only Deer to go down and I got to easily avoid the rest. Edited January 1, 2020 by Crysta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 As others have said, gambit him and then pick him off with magic. His res is not that good. Impregnable wall is a great utility gambit, it makes Maddening NG a lot easier than it would otherwise be generally. I agree that Dmitri should have ended up as a paladin-like character with a horse. And Edelgard should have been able to use magic when in her promoted class, like the Emperor class from Genealogy. They are both pa le in comparison to how broken Claude's end class is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) I tried some of these things, including that brave bow idea. But the hit rate wasn't that great (68%) and Ashe missed one hit and died on the counterattack. So that didn't work. I ended up...well, just getting very creative with my unit placement and who I decided to kill first. And I finally cleared that damn chapter. Claude ended up going down before the rest of his crew, as he used his high movement to attack a beast instead of my guys and I picked him off then. I gradually took down the rest of his guys after that and left Edelgard for last since she wasn't going to move. Fittingly, Dimitri criticaled her ass. Attaboy! ^^ I've also cleared chapter 18, though that took me a couple tries because I initially didn't catch that I had to hit a lever in the upper right corner of the map to weaken the beasts. lol Edited January 1, 2020 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Mjolnir said: As others have said, gambit him and then pick him off with magic. His res is not that good. Impregnable wall is a great utility gambit, it makes Maddening NG a lot easier than it would otherwise be generally. I agree that Dmitri should have ended up as a paladin-like character with a horse. And Edelgard should have been able to use magic when in her promoted class, like the Emperor class from Genealogy. They are both pa le in comparison to how broken Claude's end class is. Using Gambits on Claude directly would be highly likely to fail, unless you had a crazy amount of charm (even on normal, he has 37). I disagree on giving Edelgard's unique classes magic - making them a half-assed hybrid class would not help much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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