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Just now, Jotari said:

And if Claude was the one that started a continental war, we'd be talking about him now. But he didn't. I refer back again to the point that your logic is the same that people have used to try and justify war since the beginning of time.

In the end, overall, Edelgard started her war, and everyone had a choice to make on what to do. It was happening by her choice, and they had their choices to make. Claude made his, Dimitri made his, and Rhea definitely made hers. Everything has a choice in it. 

Whether it's justifiable or not, that's for ultimately the winners to decide. Cause everyone does what they do because they all believe they are in the right.

Sylvain even says as much in Chapter 17 of CF and why no one is willing to simply compromise. 

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1 minute ago, omegaxis1 said:

You're overall trying to act like there is no choice, but there is. 

Everyone has a choice. 

I'm not sure why you think that there was absolutely no choice.

If Rhea didn't want war to happen, she, as the archbishop, could have tried to parley. But she wouldn't. Even if you can say that's far more understandable, that doesn't chance that it was her choice. Also, Edelgard never made that speech in CF, so you can't even use that. Not to mention, it's not even a lie. The Church DID divide the Empire in the end, cause they are the ones that backed Loog's independence. 

And once again, Dimitri could have declared neutrality. It doesn't matter how you wanna say that the Crescent Moon War was just some "rebellion". The Kingdom was embroiled in war for two decades, as a result of assassination, and the Church didn't bother to help aid it, despite how the Church meddled during Loog's rebellion. Rhea could have intervened and have done something, but she abandoned Faerghus in that war. In the end, Dimitri had the choice to also decline helping the Church. It was HIS choice. 

And no one knew Claude's lineage. He was a mystery through and through. There's no record or info about him, so yeah. But just because their roles are compatible and Edelgard could suspect what Claude's lineage was before that, it doesn't change that Claude is actively choosing to oppose Edelgard by meddling into the political affairs of the other Alliance lords that want to support Edelgard.

So please realize that in the end:

EVERYONE HAD A CHOICE.

Everything about CF has been about choices mattering. 

Just as Edelgard gave Rhea a choice at the end of the war t surrender, Rhea chose to burn Fhirdiad down.

 

Again how did you expect Rhea to parley with someone who just invade the Holy Tomb, desecrated graves and ordered their soldiers to steal from those graves? And remember that Dimitri and Claude had a lot to lose by not joining the war. You can’t say Edelgard started the war but had no intentions of attacking the Kingdom, the Alliance or the Church, otherwise why the hell she started a war when she had no intentions to fight anyone? That’s contradictory. Plus she did try to have Dimitri and Claude killed in the prologue. And don’t bring up the idea that she wanted to scare the previous teacher to replace him with Jeritza because the game never mentions him being intended to lead a house. And Edelgard only gave Rhea a choice after she backed Rhea into a corner, she didn’t give a choice when attacking the monastery just before the timeskip. And if Edelgard didn’t want a war why didn’t she talk to them? And before you say is because she couldn’t trust them then why you do you expect Dimitri, Claude and Rhea to parley with Edelgard after her actions as the Flame Emperor? They had no reason to believe her manifesto.

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2 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

In the end, overall, Edelgard started her war, and everyone had a choice to make on what to do. It was happening by her choice, and they had their choices to make. Claude made his, Dimitri made his, and Rhea definitely made hers. Everything has a choice in it. 

Whether it's justifiable or not, that's for ultimately the winners to decide. Cause everyone does what they do because they all believe they are in the right.

Sylvain even says as much in Chapter 17 of CF and why no one is willing to simply compromise. 

And the realpolitik of the situation is that the choice Edelgard is offering is "Become part of my empire or die."

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4 minutes ago, Water Mage said:

Again how did you expect Rhea to parley with someone who just invade the Holy Tomb, desecrated graves and ordered their soldiers to steal from those graves? And remember that Dimitri and Claude had a lot to lose by not joining the war. You can’t say Edelgard started the war but had no intentions of attacking the Kingdom, the Alliance or the Church, otherwise why the hell she started a war when she had no intentions to fight anyone? That’s contradictory. Plus she did try to have Dimitri and Claude killed in the prologue. And don’t bring up the idea that she wanted to scare the previous teacher to replace him with Jeritza because the game never mentions him being intended to lead a house. And Edelgard only gave Rhea a choice after she backed Rhea into a corner, she didn’t give a choice when attacking the monastery just before the timeskip. And if Edelgard didn’t want a war why didn’t she talk to them? And before you say is because she couldn’t trust them then why you do you expect Dimitri, Claude and Rhea to parley with Edelgard after her actions as the Flame Emperor? They had no reason to believe her manifesto.

If she wants to avoid war. But knowing her, it's understandable.

She started the war to attack the Church. But the Kingdom and Alliance had choices, or rather the lords in the nations did. There's a case of how Edelgard sent manifestos and everyone had to decide for themselves whether to support the Church or the Empire. 

Dimitri wanted revenge, obsessed with it, and blamed Edelgard for Duscur. So you cannot even say that it's a case of the Church and Kingdom being allies. Dimitri entered the war of his own volition for the goal of revenge. 

Claude wanted to rule Fodlan himself, so he opposed the Empire. 

They had choices, but their own desires and goals make them come into conflict. 

And no, they do have plenty of reason to believe her manifesto. There are many that don't like the Church, hence why they support the Empire. But in the end, it's a choice to believe or not. If they choose not to believe he and oppose her, then fine. If they believe her and side with her, that's great. 

It's still 100% their choice. 

31 minutes ago, Jotari said:

And the realpolitik of the situation is that the choice Edelgard is offering is "Become part of my empire or die."

While I disagree with your wording, ultimately, that's overall the nature of war itself.

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27 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

She started the war to attack the Church. But the Kingdom and Alliance had choices, or rather the lords in the nations did. There's a case of how Edelgard sent manifestos and everyone had to decide for themselves whether to support the Church or the Empire. 

Yeah, they had the choice to either surrender or die. what a nice choice.

''You know, i started a fight against your family and all, but wanna team up?''

Edelgard didn't just declare war against the church, but against the whole of Fodlan.

''With this single attack, the Adrestian Empire officialy launched it's offensive against the Holy Kingdom of Faerghus and the Leicester Alliance'' 

She went in, Axe first, questions later.

If she wanted allies or people to join her, it relies solely on her to reach out her hand, as the aggressor. Nobody else is to blame.

And yeah, how is Rhea is suppossed to parley when Edelgard came in wanting to kill her? Is she just suppossed to surrender to an invasion?

27 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Claude wanted to rule Fodlan himself

He wants to rule it so much, he goes to Almyra even after he unites Fodlan  in his own route.

 

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Just now, Shrimperor said:

Yeah, they had the choice to either surrender or die. what a nice choice.

''You know, i started a fight against your family and all, but wanna team up?''

Edelgard didn't just declare war against the church, but against the whole of Fodlan.

''With this single attack, the Adrestian Empire officialy launched it's offensive against the Holy Kingdom of Faerghus and the Leicester Alliance'' 

No, she didn't. She declared war on the Church only. The narration makes it sound like she attacked the Kingdom and Alliance, but that's contradicted by how the characters state that Edelgard left the Alliance alone in CF. 

If you want, I can pull the quotes to you.

2 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

He wants to rule it so much, he goes to Almyra even after he unites Fodlan  in his own route.

Yeah, cause by then, he had someone to trust. But that doesn't change that even in his own route, he admitted to wanting to unite Fodlan as well. 

CF is a route where Byleth doesn't support Claude, so Claude is on the case of wanting to take all of Fodlan for himself. 

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1 hour ago, omegaxis1 said:

EVERYONE HAD A CHOICE.

Please try to realize that if someone tells you "surrender or die" (which is what Edelgard did), you literally don't have a choice other than those two seeing that Edelgard immediately declared war on the Church, and wasn't open to other options. Also, putting the fault on the Kingdom or Alliance for choosing to fight back instead of allowing the Empire to roll over them is pretty ridiculous. The blame should always be put on the instigator, and that's how it always worked in the Fire Emblem series.

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8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

ly. The narration makes it sound like she attacked the Kingdom and Alliance, but that's contradicted by how the characters state that Edelgard left the Alliance alone in CF. 

She left the alliance alone because she was stale-mating the Kingdom (and didn't have TWISTD help in CF), not because of the goodness of her heart. She still declared war on them.

She still did declare war on them.

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

admitted to wanting to unite Fodlan as well. 

He wants to unite, yes, but Claude prefers Diplomacy. In all routes.

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2 minutes ago, MrPerson0 said:

Please try to realize that if someone tells you "surrender or die" (which is what Edelgard did), you literally don't have a choice other than those two seeing that Edelgard immediately declared war on the Church, and wasn't open to other options. Also, putting the fault on the Kingdom or Alliance for choosing to fight back instead of allowing the Empire to roll over them is pretty ridiculous. The blame should always be put on the instigator, and that's how it always worked in the Fire Emblem series.

No, there is a choice. It wasn't a "join me or die" as you try to word it. 

Dimitri joined the war not for any genuine reason. He makes it clear. He's in this war for revenge. Pure and simple. He states this several times even. He even tries to deceive the Church into fighting the Empire first but that failed thanks to the rain. So you can't even say that the Kingdom was really actually trying to help their ally if Dimitri was trying to deceive Rhea there.

So can you say that Dimitri is right in what he did? Fighting for the sake of revenge even if it meant to deceive his own ally?

Claude didn't even need to do anything himself. He could have been solely neutral, but he meddled into the affairs and made so no one in the Alliance helped the Empire by stirring conflicts. All cause he wanted to rule Fodlan, not Edelgard.

Can you say that Claude was right to do what he did by actually trying to oppose the Empire when he did all that cause he wanted to conquer?

Edelgard did do something that can said to be morally wrong. But the same can easily be applied to everyone else. 

Just now, Shrimperor said:

She left the alliance alone because she was stale-mating the Kingdom (and didn't have TWISTD help in CF), not because of the goodness of her heart. She still declared war on them.

He wants to unite, yes, but Claude prefers Diplomacy. In all routes.

She did have the Agarthans help, but unlike other routes, she was not willing to let them take the reigns of things like in the other routes. It's why CF is so different from the other routes, cause Edelgard changed. She was perfectly capable of strong arming Count Gloucester like in the other routes,but she did not.

If Claude really wanted diplomacy purely, he would not have coveted the Sword of the Creator, something that he makes clear in GD Chapter 4 when Byleth gets it. You don't covet a weapon said to mow armies and cleave mountains unless you have plans to use it. 

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1 minute ago, omegaxis1 said:

Edelgard did do something that can said to be morally wrong. But the same can easily be applied to everyone else. 

No, because for both Dimitri and Claude, what they did was in reaction to what Edelgard did (declaring war and forcing their countries' nobles to pick a side). If Edelgard never declared war, they would have never needed to do what they did. Also, in the case of Claude, he was never willing to go to war like Edelgard was, and in the case of Dimitri, at least in CF, he never

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2 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

he would not have coveted the Sword of the Creato

Claude wanted to have power. He let that go however, and even if he gained it, he would've used that as a very very very last resort.

Claude is a diplomat, not a warmongerer. He wants to lead by example, not conquer.

4 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

It wasn't a "join me or die" as you try to word it. 

No, it literally is.

5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

but he meddled into the affairs and made so no one in the Alliance helped the Empire by stirring conflicts.

Yeah, he should've just let half the alliance join the Empire no questions asked. 

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1 minute ago, MrPerson0 said:

No, because for both Dimitri and Claude, what they did was in reaction to what Edelgard did (declaring war and forcing their countries' nobles to pick a side). If Edelgard never declared war, they would have never needed to do what they did. Also, in the case of Claude, he was never willing to go to war like Edelgard was, and in the case of Dimitri, at least in CF, he never

... Um, Dimitri wanted revenge. Blaming Edelgard for it, would he really not have caused a war himself had Edelgard not done anything? He wants to kill the emperor of Adrestia. Ultimately, he joined that war not a as a response to Edelgard declaring war, but as a result of blaming her for a crime that he thinks she did. 

So it's not a reaction, but how Dimitri is. He entered Garreg Mach just so that he could get revenge, which Dimitri himself confessed. Just as the motives for how one enters Garreg Mach in Part 1 never changes, that means that Dimtiri was still obsessed with revenge. Him seeming to be sane in CF doesn't change that he holds the obsession for revenge. You can't say that he's like redeemed Dimitri in the latter half of Azure Moon. 

He's basically like a refined Part 1 Dimitri at the end. One that thinks of revenge, but just not laughing like a madman. 

And Claude, again, admitted he wanted to be Fodlan's supreme ruler himself. Like, let's face facts here. What he said isn't some joke. Ultimately, he wanted to conquer Fodlan as well.

5 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Claude wanted to have power. He let that go however, and even if he gained it, he would've used that as a very very very last resort.

Claude is a diplomat, not a warmongerer. He wants to lead by example, not conquer.

No, it literally is.

Yeah, he should've just let half the alliance join the Empire no questions asked. 

He ain't a diplomat purely. He's a guy that admitted even in his own route that he wanted to unify Fodlan as well. Him coveting the power of the Sword and admitting to wanting to use Byleth is basically him revealing that he is someone that is willing to do wrong to get what he wants. Maybe he's not willing to jump immediately into war like Edelgard, but war is always an option for Claude, hence the desire for power. 

Why not? House Ordelia tried to help House Hrym defect, and the other noble houses didn't even lift a finger to help it when it suffered Imperial wrath. The Lords of the Alliance are all basically lords that are allowed to do their own thing. It's not something like the Kingdom or Empire, that is a unified form of government. It's why the Alliance is always so unstable and easy to fracture. 

So yes, Claude is perfectly able to just let the Alliance Lords that support the Empire work with them as allies. But as someone that wanted to be Fodlan's supreme ruler, he didn't want to lose power. So he prevented anyone from helping. 

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4 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Why not? House Ordelia tried to help House Hrym defect, and the other noble houses didn't even lift a finger to help it when it suffered Imperial wrath. The Lords of the Alliance are all basically lords that are allowed to do their own thing. It's not something like the Kingdom or Empire, that is a unified form of government. It's why the Alliance is always so unstable and easy to fracture. 

So yes, Claude is perfectly able to just let the Alliance Lords that support the Empire work with them as allies

And lose the country in the process. You are literally saying Claude should've just surrendered.

That isn't a ''choice''

Alliance of Nobles or no, they are still a country. It's like saying some Federal states should just join mexic and US should allow it because why not?

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Maybe he's not willing to jump immediately into war like Edelgard, but war is always an option for Claude

And that's a very big difference. Claude would've atleast tried Diplomacy first. Edelgard didn't even try that.

War for Claude is a very very last option. He despises bloodshed.

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And lose the country in the process. You are literally saying Claude should've just surrendered.

That isn't a ''choice''

Alliance of Nobles or no, they are still a country. It's like saying some Federal states should just join mexic and US should allow it because why not?

No, it isn't. He wouldn't lose any country at all. Hell, he's perfectly happy with leaving things as well since he always runs back to Almyra. You can't even say that the Alliance is his country. He only intervened cause he wanted to rule Fodlan. 

Not because he would lose his country, but because he would lose the power to become Fodlan's supreme ruler.

So please stop acting like Claude intervened for morally righteous reasons, when it wasn't. He intervened purely for the sake of his own goals. 

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3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

You can't say that he's like redeemed Dimitri in the latter half of Azure Moon.

And Claude, again, admitted he wanted to be Fodlan's supreme ruler himself. Like, let's face facts here. What he said isn't some joke. Ultimately, he wanted to conquer Fodlan as well.

True that he isn't redeemed, but from what we have seen in CF, he hasn't consistently tried to keep on attacking the Empire like his other self (pre-redemption) did.

As for Claude, he still wasn't willing to go through war to get what he wanted. Even at the end of his route (along with AM), he chose to leave Fodlan in Byleth's hands.

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5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

He wouldn't lose any country at all.

What? Half his country joining the Empire will mean the disolution of his country.

5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

You can't even say that the Alliance is his country.

No, i can. It is. It is his country just like Almyra is.

5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

So please stop acting like Claude intervened for morally righteous reasons, when it wasn't. He intervened purely for the sake of his own goals. 

He was on the defending side. I wouldn't call that ''intervention''. He was defending.

And you don't understand Claude. Even in non-VW, he still very deeply cares about his friends and always orders them to retreat (yet they die for him).

Please stop pretending like Edelgard didn't just start a war and gave everyone a choice. She didn't. It was either join her or die.

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4 minutes ago, MrPerson0 said:

True that he isn't redeemed, but from what we have seen in CF, he hasn't consistently tried to keep on attacking the Empire like his other self (pre-redemption) did.

Like I said, it's a "refined" version of the end of Part 1 Dimitri. Unlike the other ones, where his mental state degenerated to the point that he was a complete beast, this is more like a beast that can still think and plan like a person. It's why Dimitri in CF can be considered even worse, as some point out that he's much more hypocritical, not owning up to what he does, but blaming Edelgard for what does. 

4 minutes ago, MrPerson0 said:

As for Claude, he still wasn't willing to go through war to get what he wanted. Even at the end of his route (along with AM), he chose to leave Fodlan in Byleth's hands.

Cause Claude's development is that he can trust Byleth to lead Fodlan to fulfill his goals. CF Claude is one without Byleth, hence he wants to rule Fodlan for himself. 

Claude is overall someone that might not jump immediately into war, he's one that would be prepared to go to war. But he had to work with what he had with him. He's not in the same position as Edelgard or Dimitri. He's a leader of a sovereign duke, not a prince, which severely limits the political power and influence he holds.

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What? Half his country joining the Empire will mean the disolution of his country.

No, i can. It is. It is his country just like Almyra is.

He was on the defending side. I wouldn't call that ''intervention''. He was defending.

Please stop pretending like Edelgard didn't just start a war and gave everyone a choice. She didn't. It was either join her or die.

Not it isn't. That's why he's perfectly fine to have the Alliance be dissolved in every route. He doesn't fight for his nation at all but for his own ambitions. 

Bullshit. Claude literally could have helped her or chose not to meddle. Stop trying to act like Claude was acting morally righteous. Just as Edelgard chose to start a war, Claude chose to meddle because he wanted to use the war for his goals. He could have easily joined the Empire or chose not to meddle into the politics. 

Claude is the the type of person that would try to use wars that are there to capitalize on it for their own goals. 

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7 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Claude literally could have helped her or chose not to meddle

''You attacked me, i will leave you alone. Might help you as well''

What kinda logic is that? If i went and held your family hostage, you will help me?

7 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

That's why he's perfectly fine to have the Alliance be dissolved in every route

To lessen bloodshed. And to build better relations with the future leader of Fodlan. 

Even when losing/surrendering, he still asks for his classmates to be treated well. 

7 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Claude chose to meddle because he wanted to use the war for his goals.

Again, he didn't 'choose to meddle'. His nation was attacked. 

Edelgard attacked, Claude either had to defend or surrender. There wasn'T a ''no meddle'' choice lol. Edelgard wanted to conquer all of Fodlan.

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Just now, Shrimperor said:

''You attacked me, i will leave you alone. Might help you as well''

What kinda logic is that? If i went and held your family hostage, you will help me?

When did Edelgard attack Claude? The entire five years into the war, the Alliance was left alone. Claude actively interfered the entire time during those five years.

1 minute ago, Shrimperor said:

To lessen bloodshed. And to build better relations with the future leader of Fodlan. 

Even when losing/surrendering, he still asks for his classmates to be treated well. 

Ultimately does not change that he's happy to dissolve the Alliance. In the end, he's fine to let the Alliance be dissolved. So it isn't a case of how he cares about the nation at all, because he is fine with letting the nation be taken by another, or dissolving to another. 

In the end, he could have prevented the bloodshed that DID happen if he didn't intervene in his meddling. But he chose to because he wanted to rule Fodlan for himself.

3 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Again, he didn't 'choose to meddle'. His nation was attacked. 

Edelgard attacked, Claude either had to defend or surrender. There wasn'T a ''no meddle'' choice lol. Edelgard wanted to conquer all of Fodlan.

No it wasn't. Edelgard never attacked the Alliance first. Claude meddled first and has been for five years. 

Edelgard attacked as a result of his meddling in the end. Stop rearranging how things happened.

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6 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

When did Edelgard attack Claude?

When she declared war on him. And she still attacked him in CF. The only reason she didn't attack him in the 5 years was because she was busy with the Kingdom

6 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Claude actively interfered the entire time during those five years.

Interefered only inside his own Nation.

6 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

e could have prevented the bloodshed that DID happen if he didn't intervene in his meddling

You know what else could've prevented bloodshed? Not starting a war.

Stop blamiing Claude for Edelgard's action.

6 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Stop rearranging how things happened.

You stop stating your headcanon as facts. Claude's 'interference' was only in his own nation, to stop it from collapsing.

You're literally saying he should've surrendered.

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When she declared war on him. And she still attacked him in CF. The only reason she didn't attack him in the 5 years was because she was busy with the Kingdom

Interefered only inside his own Nation.

You know what else could've prevented bloodshed? Not starting a war.

Stop blamiing Claude for Edelgard's action.

You stop stating your headcanon as facts. Claude's 'interference' was only in his own nation, to stop it from collapsing.

Point a single quote in the story itself where it was stated that Edelgard declared war on the Alliance. If you are relying on that narration on CF, which gets contradicted immediately after by Hubert and an NPC stating how they left the Alliance alone, then you have no basis of an argument. 

You know what else could prevent bloodshed? People not being horrible. So how do you address the corrupt nobles across the continent? How do you handle the hypocrisy of the Church that lies and deceives the people constantly and puts the nobles in power with Crests? 

Stop blaming Edelgard for what is clearly Claude's own decision. She never attacked him. He meddled in things solely for his own desires. 

Then prove how Claude could have solved anything without resorting to war. Uniting Fodlan and telling them to not be xenophobic assholes. Go on. Bring me a peaceful resolution.

You are trying to preach a point of how in the end, everyone capitalized on Edelgard's war. They all ended up doing what Edelgard did. Unify the continent and be the supreme ruler in the other routes. 

This is why I always have issues when people try and act like they accomplished anything without resorting to war, when the game only proves that everyone made the changes they did through war.

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8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

If you are relying on that narration on CF, which gets contradicted immediately after by Hubert and an NPC stating how they left the Alliance alone, then you have no basis of an argument. 

I love how you are cherrypicking.

Hubie never says they didn't declare war.

Hubie doesn't contradict the narration!

And the neutral narration is a much more reliable source than Hubie.

Not to mention she attacked the officer's academy, where he was fighting and living. And his friends.

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

So how do you address the corrupt nobles across the continent?

 

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Then prove how Claude could have solved anything without resorting to war. Uniting Fodlan and telling them to not be xenophobic assholes. Go on. Bring me a peaceful resolution.

Reforms. The whole next generation of rulers wanted change. Edelgard could have easily made them her allies, yet she made an enemy of every last one of them.  She believed she was the only one who could achieve something.

Not to mention in the end we find out she is a girl who knows nothing. Not a single thing she says is true or right.

Conflict was inevitable, but it wouldn't have been a big ass war.

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

She never attacked him

Bullshit. Stop being blind to her action.

 

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

You are trying to preach a point of how in the end, everyone capitalized on Edelgard's war.

She still went in first, axes blazing. She didn'T try anything else.

8 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

puts the nobles in power with Crests? 

Humans are the ones who abused Crests.

Humans are the ones who did the experiments.

Stop blaming everything bad in Fodlan on the Church. They did alot of shady stuff, but most of the blame lies on humans.

Go view the Seteth supports and you will see how even Seteth himself dislikes the whole nobility thing.

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1 minute ago, Shrimperor said:

I love how you are cherrypicking.

Hubie never says they didn't declare war.

Hubie doesn't contradict the narration!

And the neutral narration is a much more reliable source than Hubie.

Not to mention she attacked the officer's academy, where he was fighting and living. And his friends.

 

Reforms. The whole next generation of rulers wanted change. Edelgard could have easily made them her allies, yet she made an enemy of every last one of them.  She believed she was the only one who could achieve something.

Not to mention in the end we find out she is a girl who knows nothing. Not a single thing she says is true or right.

Conflict was inevitable, but it wouldn't have been a big ass war.

Bullshit. Stop being blind to her action.

 

She still went in first, axes blazing. She didn'T try anything else.

Humans are the ones who abused Crests.

Humans are the ones who did the experiments.

Stop blaming everything bad in Fodlan on the Church. They did alot of shady stuff, but most of the blame lies on humans.

Go view the Seteth supports and you will see how even Seteth himself dislikes the whole nobility thing.

So in other words, no real proof and you're just saying... headcanons. 

I would prefer if you back your words up with actual dialogue and facts.

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I feel like people are ignoring the fact that she unambiguously views the Kingdom and Alliance as illegitimate, she says so herself in her first few lines at the monastery and even includes that fact in her manifesto. 

And again, she didn't need to attack the Church it already doesn't have power in Adrestia. It didn't for the last 180 years. According to the timeline the Church has been dissolved for over 180 years and the most they do about it is hope relations will smooth over once Edelgard goes to Garreg Mach.

If we're talking about beliefs, both Claude and Dmitri share similar views of inequality, if Edelgard were to just speak to them it's likely they would've included solving Crest inequalities in their reforms.

There's also the fact that she captures Rhea in every route except her own at the very start of that 5 year gap. She easily could've stopped there and made demands of the Church. Tensions on the border would be rough for a couple of years but it wouldn't escalate to that level of fighting in-game. And even so it's not like the Church has control over what the nobility in the other countries do so trying to get them to do anything is a moot point. According to Seteth, the Church discourages a divide by class, and yet they can't even enforce that within Garreg Mach.

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You can declare war and not begin any military operation. You still declared your intention to do so in the future, and the other faction is justified into attacking you untill a peace offering is made. 

9 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Then prove how Claude could have solved anything without resorting to war. Uniting Fodlan and telling them to not be xenophobic assholes. Go on. Bring me a peaceful resolution.

Financing Haneman research untill he find a way to put crests into people, then give it to a large enought amount of soldiers. Then declare your discovery to the world and allow anyone to get a crest for free. If some nobles don't allow their subjects to receive the crest, do a show of force of the Legion of Crested Supersoldiers, such as publicly showcasing a dozen of Blaydid soldiers lifting something enormous. If that is not enought, send them to destroy one of the corrupt house. At worst you need to crush a couple ofnthem or before the others realize that they can't win. 

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