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Hey guys, so I've recently been sucked back into FE conquest by watching Deltre's playthrough. It was the second FE game I played (started with Awakening very original I know) and having played every game since then I really want to beat lunatic. So far I am at chapter 15 but want some input before I proceeded further though. First, when should I recruit Ophelia. I plan for her to be the Takumi killer and am going full in on stack (Life and Death, Trample by marry Percy, maelific aura, Vantage from Odin, Elbow room from +mag -luck avatar as mom) They have S ranked atm. I don't know whether or not I want to wait until after chapter 18 or before. I need her to get all these skills in a timely fashion and especially with marrying Percy, but on the other hand waiting until later gives me Offspring seal bases and Insta sorcerer access to kickstart her stat growths, and I can save paralogues for her and percy to grind supports. 

 

Another thing I want to know is whether or not I should early promote percy. I have him at level 13 (Effie mom) and saw a post that showed how units early promoted gain exp a lot faster (I think it was Zoran). He is currently the same or worse than my Beruka in stats but I really want to use him as a long term wyvern lord or possibly even a zerker. Is early promoting percy the way to go on this?

Thanks in advance for any and all inputs

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I would wait for Ophelia. Most combat child units like to get the lvl 20 insta promotion without having the chance to getting RNG screwed and by Chapter 19 she can go 20/2 so you dont need a Master Seal.

If you plan to use Percy as a long term wyvern, then wait for him to get to lvl 20 (or around that). Early promotions are mostly for units that dont really contribute much and thats a way to make them usefull for some time, but they tend to fall off. Percy is one of the best, if not the best child unit because his class and with Effie as mother he has some good growths, so give him some levels, i think he is worth the kills.

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You won't physically have enough levels to get all those skills if you wait too long. I would think you'll want her pretty close to ch18, she needs to grow multiple levels in other classes to get all those skills. 3 in master of arms (you'll have vantage already) and 4 in malig knight. She'll be nearly useless as an MoA while she's there too, so you really want her there before the late game chapters start to ramp up. I assume she's ending in maligknight? 

Normal promo if using him, early if just temporary. Maybe even into malig if you aren't using him, as that offers much more relevant pair up boosts to Ophelia.

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I'd say waiting for Offspring Seals is NOT worth it. Especially since your planned skill build involves at least two level 15 skills.

Also, what precisely were your plans for Percy?

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11 hours ago, Shadow Mir said:

I'd say waiting for Offspring Seals is NOT worth it. Especially since your planned skill build involves at least two level 15 skills.

Also, what precisely were your plans for Percy?

Percy would be a long term wyvern, while I'd dip into zerker for axefaire and malig for trample. He might even stay as a berserker idk yet. He has to marry Ophelia since that is the only way she learns trample without inheritance, and all the skills mentioned plus a bunch of other stack are necessary as she will just barely reach the threshold I need to ORKO Takumi with lightning.

19 hours ago, Boomhauer007 said:

You won't physically have enough levels to get all those skills if you wait too long. I would think you'll want her pretty close to ch18, she needs to grow multiple levels in other classes to get all those skills. 3 in master of arms (you'll have vantage already) and 4 in malig knight. She'll be nearly useless as an MoA while she's there too, so you really want her there before the late game chapters start to ramp up. I assume she's ending in maligknight? 

Normal promo if using him, early if just temporary. Maybe even into malig if you aren't using him, as that offers much more relevant pair up boosts to Ophelia.

Ophelia has to end as a sorcerer with capped magic and speed, her statue max, and if im going to 1 turn rescue skip endgame, she needs to have S rank tomes. Honestly I'm starting to think that this may be too much work and Percy can probably get the kill as a berserker with max strength, a brave axe, and the stack I mentioned above. But Ophelia would still end as a sorcerer anyway, just maybe not with all the stack. (Still would help with chapter 25 via calamity gate abuse)

 

If I decide to ride or die on Ophelia I will probably recruit her before 18, just so I can get 3 of the malig skills done early and spend most of the time with sorcerer growths. If I dont, then I can get ophelia at chapter 19.
 

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Honestly, if you are going to Rescue-skip Endgame, why not calling the campaign “complete” by Chapter 26 or after killing Garon? The skip is barely a strategy anyway. Nor is it designing a monster.
It would give you a bit more flexibility to build your party.

I always recruit children around Chapter 12, and Ophelia is almost always among them. My advice? Recruit her as soon as possible.
Note that despite using only ten units, I have never “naturally” reached weapon rank S in tomes with Sorcerer Odin or Sorceress Ophelia. There are not enough encounters. They always need to eat an Arms Scroll.

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Who is the mother of Ophelia? Normally I would guess Elise, but since she can only get Trample from Percy I think Nyx.

Who did marry Corrin? With early Jakob marry, you can recruit Dwyer. Dwyer can replace Elise as your main healer. Elise can then go Wyvern.

I like to recruit children units ASAP. You're using castles to build up supports, right?

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6 hours ago, SSJDennis said:

Who did marry Corrin? With early Jakob marry, you can recruit Dwyer. Dwyer can replace Elise as your main healer. Elise can then go Wyvern.

This assumes they're playing with a female Corrin (something I'm very iffy on assuming), and second, I think Wyvern Elise is naught but a shitty use of a Heart Seal.

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17 hours ago, SSJDennis said:

Who is the mother of Ophelia? Normally I would guess Elise, but since she can only get Trample from Percy I think Nyx.

Who did marry Corrin? With early Jakob marry, you can recruit Dwyer. Dwyer can replace Elise as your main healer. Elise can then go Wyvern.

I like to recruit children units ASAP. You're using castles to build up supports, right?

This run F!Corrin with a Cav talent is the mother of Ophelia. I was (and still am) going to pass elbow room. I do know about Early Corrin and Jakob and used this pairing to prep for hard mode Classic. But since Jakob wouldn't get any new classes with a Cav talent, he might marry Beruka instead. (Iffy at this point as I'm running out of deployment slots and Jakob  is becoming less and less essential to my main team. With Elise I was going to pair NIles since I'm using both of them all the time and I've never used Shining bow Nina, so I want to try it out. (Nyx was benched after chapter 10, didn't have use for her afterward cuz Odin was doing well as my dark mage nostank)

 

I was trying to use MyCastle as little as possible, but I admit I used the Seed of Trust on Effie and Arthur and purchased a heart seal. So I haven't been grinding supports that way, and I'm trying not too but might for some pairings like Laslow x Charlotte and Niles x Elise

21 hours ago, starburst said:

Honestly, if you are going to Rescue-skip Endgame, why not calling the campaign “complete” by Chapter 26 or after killing Garon? The skip is barely a strategy anyway. Nor is it designing a monster.
It would give you a bit more flexibility to build your party.

I always recruit children around Chapter 12, and Ophelia is almost always among them. My advice? Recruit her as soon as possible.
Note that despite using only ten units, I have never “naturally” reached weapon rank S in tomes with Sorcerer Odin or Sorceress Ophelia. There are not enough encounters. They always need to eat an Arms Scroll.

The big reason for the Ophelia design was I got hyper-focused about not locking myself from being able to beat the endgame. Thinking about it more objectively I realise that this isn't necessary and I can probably reach the benchmark with either Corrin or another brave weapon user. On hard mode I only used the rescue staff on chapter 23 (similarly to how Deltre did that map) and endgame, so maybe I'll save all my rescues and plan another way to beat the endgame. I still want the satisfaction of that final boss kill. 

It looks like recruiting the children as fast as possible seem to be the best answer, so I'm going to get Ophelia now. 

 

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27 minutes ago, beachwalks said:

The big reason for the Ophelia design was I got hyper-focused about not locking myself from being able to beat the endgame. Thinking about it more objectively I realise that this isn't necessary and I can probably reach the benchmark with either Corrin or another brave weapon user. On hard mode I only used the rescue staff on chapter 23 (similarly to how Deltre did that map) and endgame, so maybe I'll save all my rescues and plan another way to beat the endgame. I still want the satisfaction of that final boss kill.

I understand the feeling of being able to kill Taco Meat on Lunatic, and you should definitely do your best to achieve your goal. Do not let my comments, any comments, dissuade you. The thing is that Lunatic Endgame is so restrictive that in many cases it ends up not being fun or strategic. In the same vein, while I have had to send Cornflakes against Lobster on Lunatic Ch 25 because the other nine units were not able to complete the map in a timely manner, I firmly believe that clearing both sides of the map requires far more strategy than just facing the boss.

On Hard, I think that I only use Rescue on Ophelia's map, so that the units that are sent to grab Calamity Gate do not kill more enemies and steal Experience from the Chosen Heroine.

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