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Hi, I got some questions about Four Apostles, wasn't sure if I missed out some detail

- What species exactly are the Four Apostles?

I always think they are Nabateans, since narrator addressed them as Saints. But wiki claimed they are humans.

Is there any evidence supporting they are either way?

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Four saints, known as the Four Apostles, we led to a tranquil place to perform the ritual.

- If they were humans, why were they on the side of Seiros rather than Nemesis or 10 Elites?

- If they were humans, why were their crest named after themselves rather than the dragon who the blood originally came from?

- Where did Relics regarding to Apostles came from?

- Was the old man mentioned by Yuri actually Aubin?

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Thing is, it's pretty strongly implied in certain parts the current identities of the Four Saints.

You have Indech, who is linked to Lake Teutates as having left The Inexhaustable there. Linhardt discusses it and all but says it I think in either the boss convo or after the chapter, with The Immovable requesting him to shut up or else.

Macuil is suggested to have run off to a desert region after some time, which is seen in VW for Claude's paralogue. The Wind Caller is quite easy to conclude as Macuil based on what's said in that chapter, but to be fair we don't get too much otherwise.

Chihol and Cethleann have a bunch of little hints throughout in Seteth and especially Flayn's conversations, their paralogue and bits of dialogue elsewhere. However, the end of SS Seteth finally gives up the pretence and admits to being Chihol. He and Flyan both show up 20 years before Part 1, Cethleann is discussed as sleeping after the war by Flayn (which Ignatz takes as a fascinating story) and Flayn talks around her concern about sleeping. They also break on pretending to be siblings in their A support as well, which of course covers over Chihol being Cethleann's father.

Thing is, the reason the Saints are suggested as human is part of the attempt to cover up the truth. This is something that comes up throughout the story, as it was considered important by Rhea in particular to minimise the presence of the Children of the Goddess in the War of Liberation as much as possible, with Seiros treated as human as well. Both the bosses I mention also have conversations with Seteth and Flayn, Flayn's in particular giving the game away.

On relics, the silver logo weapons that just seem to be associated with them, we don't know too much on who made them bar Indech making The Inexhaustable. Anything that is gold logo is specifically a Hero's Relic and was made from the dragon associated with it, so there can't be a Hero's Relic for Chihol when, y'know, he's not dead.

No idea on the last one, haven't touched CS.

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3 hours ago, Timlugia said:

- If they were humans, why were they on the side of Seiros rather than Nemesis or 10 Elites?

I don't see how that's determinant to anything. Wilhelm and many other humans joined Seiros and the Saints side.

3 hours ago, Timlugia said:

- If they were humans, why were their crest named after themselves rather than the dragon who the blood originally came from?

Just like the Elites, they're the original known bearers of the Crest.

3 hours ago, Timlugia said:

- Where did Relics regarding to Apostles came from?

Vajra-Mushti was created after the War of Heroes and was in Kupala. The Fetters of Dromi were in Dagda until they gave it back to Duke Gerth as a sign of friendship.

4 hours ago, Timlugia said:

- Was the old man mentioned by Yuri actually Aubin?

It's never explicitely stated, but it seems unlikely to be anyone else considering that no one but Aubin himself and Yuri are known to have this Crest.

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5 hours ago, Timlugia said:

If they were humans, why were they on the side of Seiros rather than Nemesis or 10 Elites?

- If they were humans, why were their crest named after themselves rather than the dragon who the blood originally came from?

The Chalice of Beginnings ritual happens a decent while after the war - it's likely that the Apostles got their crests after the war (like we presume about people who got crests from the Saints) but it was the original Nabateans who fought in the war (perhaps they fought in the war without Crests and were rewarded with them or something).

Aubin at least is first-gen, and although we can't confirm that the other Apostles were, the Elites gave their names to their crests as first-gen bearers, which would explain the naming system.

 

 

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It seems that Aubin was human at least, since it's implied that the Fetters of Dromi existed during the War of Heroes and by extension existed long before Aubin died.

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Duke Gerth: These are the Fetters of Dromi. They draw upon the power of the Crest of Aubin. It's a priceless treasure that ended up in Dagda. After the truce, they sent it to us in friendship.
Byleth: Why did Dagda have a Hero's Relic?
Duke Gerth: One story holds that Saint Seiros subjugated the 10 Elites and the clans who followed them. There may have been a few clan elders who fled across the sea to escape suppression.

Assuming that Balthus, Constance, and Hapi are truly descended from the Four Apostles, then they're likely human too because otherwise their part-Nabatean ancestors would still be alive. They could have been Nemesis's former allies or Seiros gave them their Crests at some point. Chevalier also has an Altered Golem named after him in Crimson Flower's final chapter (the only other golem to be named after an established character is Wilhelm), so make of that what you will.

Vajra-Mushti is repaired with Umbral Steel as with the true Heroes' Relics, unlike Aymr with is repaired with Agarthium. The Crest Stones of Noa and Timotheos are used for the Dark Creator Sword, so it's likely they had Relics at some point too. Linhardt speculates that there many be more Heroes' Relics than the ones they know about, so not all of them are accounted for by the Church.

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