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15 minutes ago, Samz707 said:

Plot-twist, Wendy is now a unique Cavalier Armored Knight, trading most of the default durability away for more movement tiles, just give her more movement tiles.

I said it somewhat as a joke but it could be interesting if a Remake balances Wendy by actually giving her more movement (maybe buff her defense a bit) and she in-universe is wearing less armor so she can move more tiles than a normal armor knight ,so trading durability for getting to fights quicker.

I would change weapon access somewhat. I'm thinking, give Wendy Swords, and Bors/Bartre Axes, in addition to their innate Lances. They could do this generally, as female and male Armor Knights are aready distinct classes. Then give Generals the full weapon triangle, like in FE8.

Conversely, I would take Axes away from Paladins, and split Cavaliers in twain: Lance Cav (Alan, Lance, Treck), and Sword Cav (Noah). The fact that the most mobile class also gets the most weapon types is... genuinely baffling.

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3 hours ago, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

I would change weapon access somewhat. I'm thinking, give Wendy Swords, and Bors/Bartre Axes, in addition to their innate Lances. They could do this generally, as female and male Armor Knights are aready distinct classes. Then give Generals the full weapon triangle, like in FE8.

Conversely, I would take Axes away from Paladins, and split Cavaliers in twain: Lance Cav (Alan, Lance, Treck), and Sword Cav (Noah). The fact that the most mobile class also gets the most weapon types is... genuinely baffling.

Seems a bit lobsidded to give three units the lance Cav class and only one unit the sword cav class. I know, Noah aside, they all come with higher lance ranks in Binding Blade, but changing that wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Especially for Alan or Lance so you can be introduced to Sword Cavalier and Lance Cavalier out the gate (and amusing as it is, Lance is usually depicted with a sword over, well, a lance, in artwork).

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On 2/19/2021 at 10:54 AM, Shadow Mir said:

. What in the name of Eternatus am I supposed to do to raise her? Savescum? Waste two more unit slots on terrible units AND hope they can surround a unit knowing this is a game with extremely big maps (not on Holy War's level of big, of course, but still)???

(Bit late to the replies but I got busy lately)

Unironically, yes. If you don't find that fun, then don't do it. You're never forced to use Wendy - even if you care about survival rank (is that a thing? I can't remember) it's not too difficult to move her and keep her alive against reinforcements. The game has so many options, and so many good options, that I fail to see how the existence of a bad option makes the game worse. The fact that you can articulate why she's bad and what you would need to do to train her shows that she's well-designed. 

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11 hours ago, OriginalRaisins said:

(Bit late to the replies but I got busy lately)

Unironically, yes. If you don't find that fun, then don't do it. You're never forced to use Wendy - even if you care about survival rank (is that a thing? I can't remember) it's not too difficult to move her and keep her alive against reinforcements. The game has so many options, and so many good options, that I fail to see how the existence of a bad option makes the game worse. The fact that you can articulate why she's bad and what you would need to do to train her shows that she's well-designed. 

Are you kidding me? Even if I'm not forced to use her, the fact that the effort needed to raise her is just plain absurd is a facet of terrible game design. Most of the worst units in other games don't force me to go out of my way to the extent she does.

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56 minutes ago, Shadow Mir said:

Even if I'm not forced to use her, the fact that the effort needed to raise her is just plain absurd is a facet of terrible game design.

It's not, though. Some people, such as myself, enjoy using units like Wendy simply because she's bad. Similarly, some people like using units like Seth and Pent because they're good. I don't, but I can't complain about Seth or Pent because I am not obligated to use them if I don't want to.

59 minutes ago, Shadow Mir said:

Most of the worst units in other games don't force me to go out of my way to the extent she does.

The game's not forcing you to go out of your way at all, though. Just bench her if you don't like her.

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On 2/27/2021 at 7:22 PM, Jotari said:

Seems a bit lobsidded to give three units the lance Cav class and only one unit the sword cav class. I know, Noah aside, they all come with higher lance ranks in Binding Blade, but changing that wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Especially for Alan or Lance so you can be introduced to Sword Cavalier and Lance Cavalier out the gate (and amusing as it is, Lance is usually depicted with a sword over, well, a lance, in artwork).

Getting back to this super late, but honestly I'm flexible on the exact numbers. I wouldn't object to making either Alan or Lance a Sword Cavalier, too. Although, if we're considering total "weapon balance", keep in mind that a bunch of early-game units (Roy, Dieck, Chad, Rutger, Astohl, Ogier) are sword-locked. Whereas, with my proposed Armor Knight reform, only one early unit (Shanna), outside of the Cavs in question, will be lance-locked. So an imbalance between the Cav types can be argued as "correcting" a wider imbalance.

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46 minutes ago, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

Getting back to this super late, but honestly I'm flexible on the exact numbers. I wouldn't object to making either Alan or Lance a Sword Cavalier, too. Although, if we're considering total "weapon balance", keep in mind that a bunch of early-game units (Roy, Dieck, Chad, Rutger, Astohl, Ogier) are sword-locked. Whereas, with my proposed Armor Knight reform, only one early unit (Shanna), outside of the Cavs in question, will be lance-locked. So an imbalance between the Cav types can be argued as "correcting" a wider imbalance.

The real answer is actually to turn Ogier into lance infantry.

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8 minutes ago, Jotari said:

The real answer is actually to turn Ogier into lance infantry.

No, we need a more dramatic reform. You know how thieves have long skulked around with short swords, practically daggers beneath theif cloak? Well I say, no more! All thieves in the Roymake must fight with big honkin' lances equipped. Who needs stealth, when you can use your lance like a vaulting pole, to jump over obstinate walls? Why carry a lockpick, when you can instead pry the chest open? I'm telling you, big obnoxious spears are the way of the future for our burgling buddies.

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23 hours ago, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

No, we need a more dramatic reform. You know how thieves have long skulked around with short swords, practically daggers beneath theif cloak? Well I say, no more! All thieves in the Roymake must fight with big honkin' lances equipped. Who needs stealth, when you can use your lance like a vaulting pole, to jump over obstinate walls? Why carry a lockpick, when you can instead pry the chest open? I'm telling you, big obnoxious spears are the way of the future for our burgling buddies.

I am unable to refute your point. Therefore this idea is genius.

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My take on balance is that it's pointless to try to "fix" the roster's balance without completely overhauling the game into something completely different. So instead i'd rather just focus on making it so that if a player wants to use a suboptimal unit out of their own volition, that they don't have a frustrating time, which is how it can be to use such units in FE6. So i wouldn't bother trying to make someone like Wendy/Gwendolyn outright good or top-tier, i'd just want it so that if i decided to use her i don't have an annoying time.

There's also other things that might be introduced into the game that we can take into account, i could easily see IS adding a Skill system, even if it's a relatively minor one compared to something like TH or Fates, and that still having a significant impact. Or reclassing, just something as small as a system where one unit can change class to one other class and nothing more could still have a big impact on unit viability.

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On 3/23/2021 at 12:15 AM, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

Who needs stealth, when you can use your lance like a vaulting pole, to jump over obstinate walls? Why carry a lockpick, when you can instead pry the chest open? I'm telling you, big obnoxious spears are the way of the future for our burgling buddies.

On 3/24/2021 at 12:04 AM, Jotari said:

I am unable to refute your point. Therefore this idea is genius.

I think it should be an option to use Hammers to smash the locks off of things.

The pole vaulting idea is absolutely brilliant, that better be a skill in a tabletop game or something.

On 3/22/2021 at 11:17 AM, Benice said:

It's not, though. Some people, such as myself, enjoy using units like Wendy simply because she's bad. Similarly, some people like using units like Seth and Pent because they're good. I don't, but I can't complain about Seth or Pent because I am not obligated to use them if I don't want to.

The game's not forcing you to go out of your way at all, though. Just bench her if you don't like her.

I agree almost completely. I would disagree on Seth and Pent and say that units being too good can actually be a problem due to dominant strategy, but it's not the worst thing in Fire Emblem since you have to consciously elect to deploy those units and I'm aware of how busted they are.

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On 3/25/2021 at 1:08 AM, Murozaki said:

My take on balance is that it's pointless to try to "fix" the roster's balance without completely overhauling the game into something completely different. So instead i'd rather just focus on making it so that if a player wants to use a suboptimal unit out of their own volition, that they don't have a frustrating time, which is how it can be to use such units in FE6. So i wouldn't bother trying to make someone like Wendy/Gwendolyn outright good or top-tier, i'd just want it so that if i decided to use her i don't have an annoying time.

i agree with this. even if the game becomes something completely different i would rather have battle/maps that can take advantage of weak unit rather than making them all good.

something like operating a tactical or strategic device, solving a relatively easy puzzle that takes up a unit (so you wont have a harder time choosing who dont get exp), or anything thats not reliant on stats (but skill, maybe)

On 3/23/2021 at 11:15 AM, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

No, we need a more dramatic reform. You know how thieves have long skulked around with short swords, practically daggers beneath theif cloak? Well I say, no more! All thieves in the Roymake must fight with big honkin' lances equipped. Who needs stealth, when you can use your lance like a vaulting pole, to jump over obstinate walls? Why carry a lockpick, when you can instead pry the chest open? I'm telling you, big obnoxious spears are the way of the future for our burgling buddies.

i say YES to this idea. that would be a big brain moment for games like this. no need to fear someone shoot an arrow at you when vaulting too since its turn based XD

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On 3/25/2021 at 7:30 PM, AnonymousSpeed said:

I agree almost completely. I would disagree on Seth and Pent and say that units being too good can actually be a problem due to dominant strategy, but it's not the worst thing in Fire Emblem since you have to consciously elect to deploy those units and I'm aware of how busted they are.

Hello there. I agree that having particularly strong units can hurt balance more than particularly weak units. I don’t understand why people claim that the existence of a weak unit that you aren’t forced to use if you don’t want to actively makes the game worse. The biggest example is Cath. I’ve seen people bring her up as an example of a useless unit for why Binding Blade is imbalanced. The developers were nice enough to add an extra Thief in case you got the other ones killed (which is very easy to do) and that makes the game worse? Okay.

As for particularly strong units. It depends on the enemies and the map design. There’s nothing inherently wrong with having 1 unit stronger then the others, as long as the game gives you situations where they need assistance from the weaker units. And I find Binding Blade to be particularly balanced in that regard, making weaker units more useful. This game forces your units to work together as a team far more than most FEs I’ve played where a single unit can clear out enemies by the dozens.

personally though, Wendy and Sophia are a bit too extreme for me. I think most units in Binding Blade are fine though.

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16 hours ago, Whisky said:

personally though, Wendy and Sophia are a bit too extreme for me. I think most units in Binding Blade are fine though.

They are, uh...severe, to be sure. However, I think that's alright. They're like an extra challenge mode for the game.

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I have a feeling some of these have been brought up but here are some changes I would like to see:

- Have Roy promote at the end of Chapter 16.

- Make all of the weapons that are enemy exclusive like the Brave Sword, Fenrir, Rune Sword, and Spear obtainable. I would also add some of the weapons from the later GBA games like the Longsword, Shine, Aura, Luna, and the Swordslayer. I also think they should include the promotion items from the other GBA games.

- Let Thieves promote.

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The Binding Blade is one of my all-time favorite games, but it is massively flawed, so here's what I would want to change:

 

Fix both the hit rates and weapon xp. I'm not going to go through too much detail on this, because it's been said many times, but I also feel like FE7 style weapon xp gain would be super nice since I either had to grind on bosses or just end the game with low ranks for some of my characters in my other runs. 

 

I'd like to add 1 more Hero Crest to the game, as well as 3 obtainable Master Seals. Promotion items are tight, and if you want to promote more than a few units, your only option in base FE6 is to check out the chapter 16 secret shop. It would also be very nice to have some of the later promotion items on Zephiel and Brunnya and move them back a bit. Maybe the hero crest to Randy in Chapter 14, and the guiding ring to Arcado in Chapter 17.

 

Droppable items instead of stealables for some of the treasures would also be a welcome change, mostly just because I like it better that way. Stuff like the Delphi Shield and promotion items are very important, and not meeting stat benchmarks feels really bad. 

 

Rapid Fire Short Changes for the end:

- Get rid of ambush spawns

- Mess around with some character's bases and growths, especially mid game ones like Geese and Ogier to make them easier to train.

- Add an Iron Rune to the game to mitigate at least some of the +30 crit of enemy swordmasters 

- Either add an early Roy promote at Chapter 16, or let his base Lord class go up to level 35 and promote in Chapter 22

- Subtract gate/throne avoid by 10, which will make the bosses much easier to fight

 

And most importantly;

 

Remove Cecilia / Roy ending or make it platonic.

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-Fix the weapon accuracy

-Make Roy promotable much earlier and give his Sword of Seals more uses

-Change the support growth system and make it like in echoes (making character perform action & stuff 1-3 cases away from each other inteas of making them stay next to each other for ages to gain supports convos)

-Add the weapon merge feature from FEDS

-Make support convos happen during preparation screen instead of doing them during the fight

-Keep the weapons/items shop on prep screen as well on higher difficulty, it's just annoying to do shores during a chapter...

-Give Roy an iron sword at the beginning so he's not forced to waste rapier uses against unarmored barbarians, it's not much but it would be good though.

-Making sniper a little bit better like giving them a 5 or 10% critical boost like in FEDS because Nomad Troopers are much better in almost every way than them.

-Maybe increase the bows ranges like they did in ember project since many of us considers bow users as among the worsts.

-Maybe also alternate class changes like in Sacred Stones?

-Skills and personaly skills could potentially be a nice touch also.

-Nerf some bosses...

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