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23 hours ago, Jotari said:

I like that Douglas's recruitment is a bit more involved than a standard unit talk to other unit.

recruitment thats more than "talk A to X once", is actually welcomed in FE games. But only if said character not time-limited, decision factor to a bigger thing that doesnt get explained at all if you dont read any guide, which is Douglas by definition. Granted its not that hard in normal 
If its someone like say, Karel who is completely optional with already strong stat and maybe also bring a unique weapon and just add more characterization to existing party, then i really support this idea.

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didn't read the whole thread and also i won't mention things that are merely products of its time and likely would not be retained nowadays (weapon ranks, hit rates, throne bonuses etc)

also some of the changes i mention are not necessarily fe6 specific

GAMEPLAY:
- abolish weapon weight and use a avoid/attack speed penalty for certain weapons like fates

- dismember the cavalier class into separate sword/lance/axe knight classes like tellius, with paladins using only two of the three; no bow knights because elibe has nomads

- (my humble suggestion here: lance is a lance knight, allen is a sword knight, so is noah, treck is an axe knight, marcus uses swords/lances, zealot uses lances/axes, perceval uses swords/axes)

- change armor knight's move to 5 and general's to 6

- change wyvern rider's weapon to axes and wyvern lord's to axes/lances for franchise consistency (does this count as a product of the time? you never know)

- add the unpromoted light magic user class (but actually i am not sure if saul should be its user as it's always been said? i like the idea of just adding a new character? a woman even? norne it up tbh. on the other hand three staff users by chapter 6 has always been way overkill)

- give lilina her own unpromoted and promoted class as well as a personal weapon (the unpromoted class would just be flavour since she'd use anima, but i feel her promoted class should use anima/light with no staves - as long as having different magic types mattered this time, but i am assuming it would because it would be so easy to do so)

- (no i am serious fates opened up so many possibilities. not only they'd be integrated into the weapon triangle, magic could also play more heavily with avoid/aspeed modifiers than weapons. i thought of anima being +aspeed (or reducing incoming enemy aspeed)/-crit, light being +crit/-avoid, dark being +avoid/-aspeed. FUN)

- speaking of promotion, master seals (or actually earth seals - CHARACTERIZATION AND FLAVOUR MATTERS) only please. we as a society have progresssed past the need of specific promotion items

- make roy promote after chapter 16 - i wouldn't give him a horse because not everything is about efficiency lol but i'd give him a second weapon - or staves if this remake did mixed classes

- add playable guinevere in a fe9 elincia style after chapter 20. give her a wyvern! have her use a weapon (or magic if we don't do mixed) and staves! give her big growths to make up for weaker bases! a personal weapon too maybe!

- give thieves a promotion to assassins, who could use bows in elibe as well

- add a playable soldier (barth should become a soldier, he's got the personality down) and a promoted halberdier class. soldiers are the backbone of the enemy phase in elibe and they don't get to promote or be represented as a playable character? so rude

- don't entirely remove enemy ambushes but make them like an announced feature of some chapters instead of, like... just looking like bad programming

- remove merlinus from gameplay

- i like the replayability of divided routes but a) the game needs to tell you that's going to happen, b) i think since storywise elphin is around regardless, he should either be removed from gameplay or added in another capacity, and larum stays as the only move-again-er. i think the two routes could also be more differentiated, as in "route B is harder but you get better charatcers/items" etc

- as for sacae/ilia, this whole "if so and so gets more exp" unexplained crap is frankly horrible, but i also don't want this one to be just a "pick one" thing. my solution is that after chapter 16, the game suggests you to go to sacae/ilia because you are more prepared for that journey (mentioning sue/shin and shanna/thea, if this is classic mode and they are alive), but gives you the choice to switch to ilia/sacae anyway.

- obviously idoun is weak garbage and should be seven billion times stronger. jahn could stand to be stronger too. actually how about some manakete variety? i know it's a bit story based to be just fire dragons but also NO

- add the blind staff that inflicts blind. it stops the target from using weapons. specially if this remake were to add mixed classes this would be fun.

 

STORY

- if they added an avatar, i would fly to japan, grow to 50 feet and destroy tokyo with my eye lasers. i actually like kris in fe12 and i know they didn't in echoes and earned our trust but NO not for my dear roy

- ......... remove merlinus from the story too? distribute his role to marcus, wolt, lilina, an old shoe? he is a character only because of an outdated gameplay decision, and he is a bad character who takes up too much air. marcus deserves it way more.

- improve chapter 3 and hector's death scene immediately do not pass go do not collect 200 coughs

- improve the portrayal of etruscan (etrurian?) corruption, as etruria still comes off as a bit too much like the good guys wronged by the bad guys... who happened to be inside the house the entire time. MORE PEOPLE ANGRY AT THEM RIGHT NOW EVEN IF PERCEVAL IS HOT AF.

- we need to have a serious talk about how hilariously dumb the concept of ilia has always been. they are poor... because it's always cold... so they can't have crops...? i am sorry, have these writers even heard of [insert any culture far from the equator here]? make them poor because of good old capitalism or something. what is the government of ilia even doing here? how did the cold country even fall so quickly? is russia not a role model? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

- sacae isn't far behind. they are tribes with no centralised government but they just made biran (ps: this remake is Not gonna do real life place names) beat all of their asses until the biggest tribe surrendered and worked for them? also we get to know two and a half tribes (djute, kutolah, and in fe7 lorca but they die to brigands...?). give us more tribes? also some drama? some willing betrayal? i don't ask for much.

- now that fe7 exists we can add stuff they created there to improve the characters of the biran villains here. it's not that much since fe7's writing is our favourite disaster, but it's there, and zephiel needs to be less flat.

- making the fe7 connections explicit is i suppose inevitable - rebecca being wolt's mom, nino being lugh and raigh's mom, lucius being the father in lugh and chad's orphanage (? did i imagine this?), but i wouldn't be opposed to keeping it to the essentials. having to acknowledge the black fang exists because of nino is bad enough. though i assume a remake would absolutely without a doubt shoehorn an alive lyn in the story in some capacity due to her popularity. i'd be fine with it. put her in the sacae route or something.

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7 hours ago, Axie said:

didn't read the whole thread and also i won't mention things that are merely products of its time and likely would not be retained nowadays (weapon ranks, hit rates, throne bonuses etc)

also some of the changes i mention are not necessarily fe6 specific

GAMEPLAY:
- abolish weapon weight and use a avoid/attack speed penalty for certain weapons like fates

- dismember the cavalier class into separate sword/lance/axe knight classes like tellius, with paladins using only two of the three; no bow knights because elibe has nomads

- (my humble suggestion here: lance is a lance knight, allen is a sword knight, so is noah, treck is an axe knight, marcus uses swords/lances, zealot uses lances/axes, perceval uses swords/axes)

- change armor knight's move to 5 and general's to 6

- change wyvern rider's weapon to axes and wyvern lord's to axes/lances for franchise consistency (does this count as a product of the time? you never know)

- add the unpromoted light magic user class (but actually i am not sure if saul should be its user as it's always been said? i like the idea of just adding a new character? a woman even? norne it up tbh. on the other hand three staff users by chapter 6 has always been way overkill)

- give lilina her own unpromoted and promoted class as well as a personal weapon (the unpromoted class would just be flavour since she'd use anima, but i feel her promoted class should use anima/light with no staves - as long as having different magic types mattered this time, but i am assuming it would because it would be so easy to do so)

- (no i am serious fates opened up so many possibilities. not only they'd be integrated into the weapon triangle, magic could also play more heavily with avoid/aspeed modifiers than weapons. i thought of anima being +aspeed (or reducing incoming enemy aspeed)/-crit, light being +crit/-avoid, dark being +avoid/-aspeed. FUN)

- speaking of promotion, master seals (or actually earth seals - CHARACTERIZATION AND FLAVOUR MATTERS) only please. we as a society have progresssed past the need of specific promotion items

- make roy promote after chapter 16 - i wouldn't give him a horse because not everything is about efficiency lol but i'd give him a second weapon - or staves if this remake did mixed classes

- add playable guinevere in a fe9 elincia style after chapter 20. give her a wyvern! have her use a weapon (or magic if we don't do mixed) and staves! give her big growths to make up for weaker bases! a personal weapon too maybe!

- give thieves a promotion to assassins, who could use bows in elibe as well

- add a playable soldier (barth should become a soldier, he's got the personality down) and a promoted halberdier class. soldiers are the backbone of the enemy phase in elibe and they don't get to promote or be represented as a playable character? so rude

- don't entirely remove enemy ambushes but make them like an announced feature of some chapters instead of, like... just looking like bad programming

- remove merlinus from gameplay

- i like the replayability of divided routes but a) the game needs to tell you that's going to happen, b) i think since storywise elphin is around regardless, he should either be removed from gameplay or added in another capacity, and larum stays as the only move-again-er. i think the two routes could also be more differentiated, as in "route B is harder but you get better charatcers/items" etc

- as for sacae/ilia, this whole "if so and so gets more exp" unexplained crap is frankly horrible, but i also don't want this one to be just a "pick one" thing. my solution is that after chapter 16, the game suggests you to go to sacae/ilia because you are more prepared for that journey (mentioning sue/shin and shanna/thea, if this is classic mode and they are alive), but gives you the choice to switch to ilia/sacae anyway.

- obviously idoun is weak garbage and should be seven billion times stronger. pahn could stand to be stronger too. actually how about some manakete variety? i know it's a bit story based to be just fire dragons but also NO

- add the blind staff that inflicts blind. it stops the target from using weapons. specially if this remake were to add mixed classes this would be fun.

 

STORY

- if they added an avatar, i would fly to japan, grow to 50 feet and destroy tokyo with my eye lasers. i actually like kris in fe12 and i know they didn't in echoes and earned our trust but NO not for my dear roy

- ......... remove merlinus from the story too? distribute his role to marcus, wolt, lilina, an old shoe? he is a character only because of an outdated gameplay decision, and he is a bad character who takes up too much air. marcus deserves it way more.

- improve chapter 3 and hector's death scene immediately do not pass go do not collect 200 coughs

- improve the portrayal of etruscan (etrurian?) corruption, as etruria still comes off as a bit too much like the good guys wronged by the bad guys... who happened to be inside the house the entire time. MORE PEOPLE ANGRY AT THEM RIGHT NOW EVEN IF PERCEVAL IS HOT AF.

- we need to have a serious talk about how hilariously dumb the concept of ilia has always been. they are poor... because it's always cold... so they can't have crops...? i am sorry, have these writers even heard of [insert any culture far from the equator here]? make them poor because of good old capitalism or something. what is the government of ilia even doing here? how did the cold country even fall so quickly? is russia not a role model? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

- sacae isn't far behind. they are tribes with no centralised government but they just made biran (ps: this remake is Not gonna do real life place names) beat all of their asses until the biggest tribe surrendered and worked for them? also we get to know two and a half tribes (djute, kutolah, and in fe7 lorca but they die to brigands...?). give us more tribes? also some drama? some willing betrayal? i don't ask for much.

- now that fe7 exists we can add stuff they created there to improve the characters of the biran villains here. it's not that much since fe7's writing is our favourite disaster, but it's there, and zephiel needs to be less flat.

- making the fe7 connections explicit is i suppose inevitable - rebecca being wolt's mom, nino being lugh and raigh's mom, lucius being the father in lugh and chad's orphanage (? did i imagine this?), but i wouldn't be opposed to keeping it to the essentials. having to acknowledge the black fang exists because of nino is bad enough. though i assume a remake would absolutely without a doubt shoehorn an alive lyn in the story in some capacity due to her popularity. i'd be fine with it. put her in the sacae route or something.

If Lyn goes in Sacae route, who would be her fanservice counterpart in Ilia?

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5 hours ago, Jotari said:

If Lyn goes in Sacae route, who would be her fanservice counterpart in Ilia?

asking the most important question are we?

13 hours ago, Axie said:

- add playable guinevere in a fe9 elincia style after chapter 20. give her a wyvern! have her use a weapon (or magic if we don't do mixed) and staves! give her big growths to make up for weaker bases! a personal weapon too maybe!

theres playable guinevere, but not in story mode and by beating the game.. 6 times? (casual would go nowhere near as much) also her obscured unit in the game somehow in line with her depiction many many many years later in FE Cipher (magic user, but maxed in Light magic, Aureola tome user) so i'll take that as her canon. her class didnt matter tho

13 hours ago, Axie said:

- make roy promote after chapter 16 - i wouldn't give him a horse because not everything is about efficiency lol but i'd give him a second weapon - or staves if this remake did mixed classes

Roy with horse is boring, it means no more taxing him to throne and potentially less emphasis on Roy being helped by his army to achieve victory in figurative and literal sense. (thats the theme with his characterization unless im mistaken)
But Roy with staff? thats... intriguing

13 hours ago, Axie said:

make them poor because of good old capitalism or something. what is the government of ilia even doing here? how did the cold country even fall so quickly? is russia not a role model? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

they are poor because they adopt capitalism, Ilia should have just gone with socialism in remake :v

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14 hours ago, Jotari said:

If Lyn goes in Sacae route, who would be her fanservice counterpart in Ilia?

OBVIOUSLY florina. star crossed lesbian lovers.

 

8 hours ago, joevar said:

theres playable guinevere, but not in story mode and by beating the game.. 6 times? (casual would go nowhere near as much) also her obscured unit in the game somehow in line with her depiction many many many years later in FE Cipher (magic user, but maxed in Light magic, Aureola tome user) so i'll take that as her canon. her class didnt matter tho

Roy with horse is boring, it means no more taxing him to throne and potentially less emphasis on Roy being helped by his army to achieve victory in figurative and literal sense. (thats the theme with his characterization unless im mistaken)
But Roy with staff? thats... intriguing

they are poor because they adopt capitalism, Ilia should have just gone with socialism in remake :v

i know guinevere has used light magic in every limited depiction of her in combat, but i still think it wouldn't be much of a departure if they pulled an elincia. if they wanted to be faithful though, light/staff on a wyvern would still be cool.

i agree that mounted roy takes away from his characterization as an inexperienced lord who wins people through charisma, but staves would add to that. people cling too much to that cecilia support where she says roy was no good with magic, but a) that's so minor, b) staves seem to be considered slightly different anyhow

this has made me realize ilia, much like a former socialist country in europe, is willingly allowing its workforce to leave the country - give ilia some sort of uprising subplot to save the country from a government that exists to serve biran and it really could work better than "biran came and beat us up"

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11 hours ago, Jotari said:

who would be her fanservice counterpart in Ilia?

If Sacae has Lyn with her exposed legs, i say we should have someone with exposed chest/upper body as her counterpart fanservice. but i guess we would first question their sanity to get exposed in Cold country.

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yes im joking, if no one notice it already.. i know fanservice not limited to sexual nor i meant it like that. we could have male character who have bare chest exposed, but we still would question his sanity

what about elincia? you mean as a flying unit or story relevance?
Also yes Wyvern lord that uses Light, anima, & staff will be cool

19 hours ago, Axie said:

obviously idoun is weak garbage and should be seven billion times stronger. pahn could stand to be stronger too. actually how about some manakete variety? i know it's a bit story based to be just fire dragons but also NO

both is easy (i would love to smack the devs head if they cant) , Idoun is missing her dragonstone and true stat (both FEH & cipher shows she had dark dragonstone) just restore that and her inflated divine/dark dragon stat. where/when did they told theres only fire dragon beside divine dragon in elibe? Ninian and her sibling are Ice dragon and the other dragon is also in another realm thru the portal. more like they didnt bother to include it back then

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1 hour ago, joevar said:

If Sacae has Lyn with her exposed legs, i say we should have someone with exposed chest/upper body as her counterpart fanservice. but i guess we would first question their sanity to get exposed in Cold country.

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yes im joking, if no one notice it already.. i know fanservice not limited to sexual nor i meant it like that. we could have male character who have bare chest exposed, but we still would question his sanity

what about elincia? you mean as a flying unit or story relevance?
Also yes Wyvern lord that uses Light, anima, & staff will be cool

both is easy (i would love to smack the devs head if they cant) , Idoun is missing her dragonstone and true stat (both FEH & cipher shows she had dark dragonstone) just restore that and her inflated divine/dark dragon stat. where/when did they told theres only fire dragon beside divine dragon in elibe? Ninian and her sibling are Ice dragon and the other dragon is also in another realm thru the portal. more like they didnt bother to include it back then

Hawkeye it is then.

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1 hour ago, joevar said:

where/when did they told theres only fire dragon beside divine dragon in elibe? Ninian and her sibling are Ice dragon and the other dragon is also in another realm thru the portal. more like they didnt bother to include it back then

The dragons you fight in FE6, besides Jahn and Idunn, are all War Dragons. Vessels created for combat, not actual dragons. They're supposed to feel like they're mass produced because they are.

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1 hour ago, whase said:

The dragons you fight in FE6, besides Jahn and Idunn, are all War Dragons. Vessels created for combat, not actual dragons. They're supposed to feel like they're mass produced because they are.

but isnt that just assuming war dragon = non intelligent Fire dragon. my point is, if they introduced more variety be it war dragon or intelligent/true dragon to the remake it wont break the lore, since true dragon are not limited to fire dragon and divine with the introduction of ninian in fe7

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i meant elincia as a physical weapon/staff flying unit, it would be a nice parallel (since the role in the story is similar) plus it wouldn't make guinevere too powerful if you were to add a personal weapon

also war dragons of different kinds other than fire wouldn't hurt the story, i agree. it would make for good enemy specialisation. one of them could be magic based at least.

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10 minutes ago, joevar said:

but isnt that just assuming war dragon = non intelligent Fire dragon. my point is, if they introduced more variety be it war dragon or intelligent/true dragon to the remake it wont break the lore, since true dragon are not limited to fire dragon and divine with the introduction of ninian in fe7

It would break the lore, since Jahn says all the dragons got either killed or escaped through the dragons gate. He and Idunn are the only actual dragons left on this continent. Even if there were dragons that came back through the dragon's gate, they would probably not fight for Idunn/Zephiel.

Which reminds me, let's not forget Fae, so there's 3 dragons left in Elibe.

Jahn also talks about the simplicity of the war dragons, which means that if they were more varied, it would undermine his point.

Not saying this all couldn't be changed, I just hope they don't. It may not make for great gameplay but I love this story too much.

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7 minutes ago, whase said:

It would break the lore, since Jahn says all the dragons got either killed or escaped through the dragons gate. He and Idunn are the only actual dragons left on this continent. Even if there were dragons that came back through the dragon's gate, they would probably not fight for Idunn/Zephiel.

Which reminds me, let's not forget Fae, so there's 3 dragons left in Elibe.

Jahn also talks about the simplicity of the war dragons, which means that if they were more varied, it would undermine his point.

Not saying this all couldn't be changed, I just hope they don't. It may not make for great gameplay but I love this story too much.

the first point is true but since Idunn is created where the war still not reach its climax yet there should other type dragon in coalition with Jahn who is Fire dragon, so the possibility she can produce other type war dragon is there, i think...

Spoiler

i really hate my mind for reminding me the implication they rape her to produce more dragon. now i actually introduce another possibilty she were gang-raped instead... damn it

apparently the generic elder in Nabata is a dragon too, so theres still another dragon maybe but in the same state similar to Gotoh from FE1 (cant transform anymore)

personally i dont mind either way

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oh character gameplay changes that are not a product of its time:

- sophia does make sense as a unpromoted level 1 join, but then she needs to be an actual est-type character. there needs to be some sort of upside to her and her nightmare start. give her some absurd awakening-esque growths or something.

- some other underleveled joins should just not be underleveled or have bad bases. why are gwendolyn and lilina level 1 with bad bases? why are so many prepromotes lame? i assume growths would increase for everyone by the tune of 60% total per character (fe15 did more but fe2's growths were dumb low lol), but bad bases make that moot, and fe15 kept bases mostly the same. a fe6 remake can't do that.

- niime and yoder don't need to be level 18/20. the bases are fine but like let the elders level up a bit too lol. maybe karel too but he has his whole weird concept of one single big level up.

- any base weapon rank for a promoted class being E (except for staves) is stupid. not a fe6 specific complaint, but it's worse here since it's a game without constant reclassing or grinding. make them Ds so they are worth using. ain't nobody got time to be stuck with irons or a stupid fire tome.

- supports can't be as slow as they are in this game. i'd rather have a fe9 system since the roster is so big. i like how support bonuses worked in gba though.

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After finishing Binding blade again, there are couple of things that comes to mind, but many useful idea already covered so, here's something not-so-useful one:

 

- Evading a legendary spell tome that covers the entire screen didnt make sense (evading a meteor? ok fine. but a black hole and literal god rays? what even...)

- Nerf Rutger (yes, im serious). swordmaster as general having higher stat caps in almost every stat than most class is weird. gives it another weakness other than Res

- Gives Melady higher stat caps, in HM she already reach caps in Str, Skill, Spd even before reaching lvl 10 as Wyvern lord.

- Also gives Melady hidden ending with Gale, like he is mortally wounded in ch.21 but ultimately survive if certain requirement met. After all she's the real MVP in later half of the game (f* rutger), she deserves that much with camus-guy

- Maybe just me, but theres a point where Zephiel war campaign seemingly stop for no real explanation (given that zephiel didnt really care about being politically nice). Need to address that.

- every misc item need to be stolen, why not drop it?

- Gives Lilina pants in her Sage class

- Also Lilina, i find it funny and weird that she is like the one with most connection with old dude. most notably, the old-scary-looking one must be recruited by Lilina. This could be a potential for char development if theres a focused LIlina Route. Where its showed that she is either adept at persuading people or her kindness is contagious to another kindred spirit.

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the church in FE6 seems like the antithesis of nergal/zephiel ideology. Since Yoder keep searching for info and ways to fend off dragon because Elimine said so in her church teaching. So the 8 Heroes potentially split between total annihilation of dragon and just stopping the war and potentially make peace with them like Athos

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8 minutes ago, joevar said:

Evading a legendary spell tome that covers the entire screen didnt make sense (evading a meteor? ok fine. but a black hole and literal god rays? what even...)

I mean yeah, you’re right. It doesn’t make much sense.

9 minutes ago, joevar said:

Nerf Rutger (yes, im serious). swordmaster as general having higher stat caps in almost every stat than most class is weird. gives it another weakness other than Res

This one is a bit tough. Rutger is incredibly strong and definitely could be toned down a bit, but they would need to be very careful to not overcompensate with his nerfs. Rutger needs to be better at killing things, that’s what Swordmaster’s do well. They are footlocked, don’t have any utility, and don’t have a common 1-2 range option. In most FEs, Swordmasters are bad, so I like how could they are in Binding Blade.

11 minutes ago, joevar said:

Gives Melady higher stat caps, in HM she already reach caps in Str, Skill, Spd even before reaching lvl 10 as Wyvern lord.

Why? She’s already considered the best unit in the game by many. If she’s reaching stat caps, then her stats are plenty high. They don’t need to be higher.

12 minutes ago, joevar said:

Also gives Melady hidden ending with Gale, like he is mortally wounded in ch.21 but ultimately survive if certain requirement met. After all she's the real MVP in later half of the game (f* rutger), she deserves that much with camus-guy

I thought about whether Gale should be recruitable, but this is another option at least. Gale’s part of the game seems incomplete. His AI is weird. Does he even have dialogue with Miledy in Ch 21? I don’t think he does.

14 minutes ago, joevar said:

Maybe just me, but theres a point where Zephiel war campaign seemingly stop for no real explanation (given that zephiel didnt really care about being politically nice). Need to address that.

It might not be explained entirely but I think the reason is there. I think it’s because of Etruria. They stopped the campaign in Lycia because Etruria told Bern that they would protect Lycia and Bern was ready to go to a full scale war against Etruria at the same time as every other nation. Instead, Bern decided to wait on the corrupt Etruria noble to weaken Etruria from within so that they would be easier to fight. Bern was also focusing more on Ilia and Sacae at this time. 

17 minutes ago, joevar said:

every misc item need to be stolen, why not drop it?

Maybe, but having more items to Steal gives your Thieves more things to do and be useful.

19 minutes ago, joevar said:

Gives Lilina pants in her Sage class

Lol. She has a dress, do you want her to wear pants and a dress at the same time or switch out of the dress for the pants. Should Lugh get pants too? He wears shorts normally, probably because they’re comfy and easy to wear, I guess.

21 minutes ago, joevar said:

Also Lilina, i find it funny and weird that she is like the one with most connection with old dude. most notably, the old-scary-looking one must be recruited by Lilina. This could be a potential for char development if theres a focused LIlina Route. Where its showed that she is either adept at persuading people or her kindness is contagious to another kindred spirit.

I mean, that is demonstrated by her recruiting these characters, isn’t it? They both say that they are impressed by her kind heart. In addition to being kind and persuasive, she is also able to recognize when people don’t actually want to hurt anyone.

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1 hour ago, Whisky said:

I thought about whether Gale should be recruitable, but this is another option at least. Gale’s part of the game seems incomplete. His AI is weird. Does he even have dialogue with Miledy in Ch 21? I don’t think he does

He does have dialogue with her and Zeiss, but he just tells them that that is the end. He was originally recruitable in an earlier storydraft, so I would assume his AI is a weird leftover that they forgot to change(similar to Lilinas level and stats)

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13 minutes ago, German FE Nino said:

He does have dialogue with her and Zeiss, but he just tells them that that is the end. He was originally recruitable in an earlier storydraft, so I would assume his AI is a weird leftover that they forgot to change(similar to Lilinas level and stats)

Oh I see. Well it’s good that he has dialogue with them at least.

What’s the deal with Lilina’s level and stats?

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5 minutes ago, Whisky said:

What’s the deal with Lilina’s level and stats?

I already talked about it on another topic, but she was supposed to join Roy in chapter1(given the current story, I would assume she just did not care about what Eliwood had to say, just speculation tho). She was likely placed into castle ostia to serve as the condition for her gaiden and they most likely just forgot to update her stats. 

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2 hours ago, joevar said:

 

- Maybe just me, but theres a point where Zephiel war campaign seemingly stop for no real explanation (given that zephiel didnt really care about being politically nice). Need to address that.

 

It:s less that Zephiel cares about playing things politically nice and more that he didn:t have the strength to take on Etruria at that time.

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2 hours ago, Whisky said:

Lol. She has a dress, do you want her to wear pants and a dress at the same time or switch out of the dress for the pants. Should Lugh get pants too? He wears shorts normally, probably because they’re comfy and easy to wear, I guess.

hmm.. somehow i always thought that GBA Female Sage outfit design is similar to Brunya or Sonya outfit in SoV which has revealing leg even when standing still. after checking her artwork again, both Sachiko and Yamada always give her black legging both as mage and sage under her dress 🤔 so i guess its already solved... nevermind this point then.(unless we want to go "lyn is her mother, and wears revealing leg outfit, so lilina too" route)
Male sage wear short pants is fine already

Gale be like: "leave none alive"  *proceed to circling merlinus and doing nothing*
sad such straightforward and honest guy cant be recruited even tho his character has more development than most other recruitable

1 hour ago, German FE Nino said:

I already talked about it on another topic, but she was supposed to join Roy in chapter1(given the current story, I would assume she just did not care about what Eliwood had to say, just speculation tho). She was likely placed into castle ostia to serve as the condition for her gaiden and they most likely just forgot to update her stats. 

yes, furthermore Bors came with Roy to Pherae to pick up lilina and guard her. you could say he failed as a knight since he doesnt make sure lilina get to safety first before helping Roy even tho its a request from her

55 minutes ago, Jotari said:

It:s less that Zephiel cares about playing things politically nice and more that he didn:t have the strength to take on Etruria at that time.

i could accept that reasoning. but rather than showing/telling that Zephiel or Bern as a whole, its played more like Narcian incompetence to deal with etrurian that makes the invasion halted and become a standstill. Actually, what elphin said at the end of Western isles arc that eliwood in lycia is underattack would be more in line with what zephiel would do (Lycia under etruria protection? who cares, zephiel himself eager to enter a fight). But no, because Merlinus honestly believe that, then that would be the wrong judgement just like every occasion/situation ever.. LOL

im sure poor merlinus going bald because he serves House of pherae for too long (his assumption often turns out wrong).

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2 hours ago, joevar said:

hmm.. somehow i always thought that GBA Female Sage outfit design is similar to Brunya or Sonya outfit in SoV which has revealing leg even when standing still. after checking her artwork again, both Sachiko and Yamada always give her black legging both as mage and sage under her dress 🤔 so i guess its already solved... nevermind this point then.(unless we want to go "lyn is her mother, and wears revealing leg outfit, so lilina too" route)
Male sage wear short pants is fine already

Gale be like: "leave none alive"  *proceed to circling merlinus and doing nothing*
sad such straightforward and honest guy cant be recruited even tho his character has more development than most other recruitable

yes, furthermore Bors came with Roy to Pherae to pick up lilina and guard her. you could say he failed as a knight since he doesnt make sure lilina get to safety first before helping Roy even tho its a request from her

i could accept that reasoning. but rather than showing/telling that Zephiel or Bern as a whole, its played more like Narcian incompetence to deal with etrurian that makes the invasion halted and become a standstill. Actually, what elphin said at the end of Western isles arc that eliwood in lycia is underattack would be more in line with what zephiel would do (Lycia under etruria protection? who cares, zephiel himself eager to enter a fight). But no, because Merlinus honestly believe that, then that would be the wrong judgement just like every occasion/situation ever.. LOL

im sure poor merlinus going bald because he serves House of pherae for too long (his assumption often turns out wrong).

Zephiel would care about Etruria's protection because, despite being mad, he's not an idiot. He has absolutely not motivation to engage Etruria in a war he has slim chance of winning, especially when he's already infiltrated its court and can seize it by other means.

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Just now, Jotari said:

because, despite being mad, he's not an idiot.

If only everyone would agree on that xD I have no idea why, but everyone seems to think he is one of the more stupid characters in the series.

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27 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Zephiel would care about Etruria's protection because, despite being mad, he's not an idiot. He has absolutely not motivation to engage Etruria in a war he has slim chance of winning, especially when he's already infiltrated its court and can seize it by other means.

because he already lost element of surpise like in Ilia and Sacae? or just because their army is equal to them in size?

but if he knows he already infiltrated etruria, then there will be ways to find a loophole for said protection no? i mean their nobles blatantly trap roy in western isles, why not deny lycia protection with some excuses "yes we will protect you, but it will take time to send troops, only can send a bit, etc etc" but i guess thats maybe going too deep and complicated for game plot

i just want them to actually show/tell in a remake "zephiel hold his advancement because he has other plan, bla bla bla" and not leave us speculating too much

Edited by joevar

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33 minutes ago, joevar said:

because he already lost element of surpise like in Ilia and Sacae? or just because their army is equal to them in size?

Basically the latter. The opening of the game outright says Etruria and Bern are the two super powers of the continent. I wouldn't even much call it speculation. It's not like Bern just stops its advances randomly. They stop attacking when Etruria gets involved. Them stopping their offensive is a reaction to Etruria getting involved. Outright saying Zephiel has other plans would also kind of disrupt the narrative entirely by basically predicting the future. As it is the narration already makes it clear that it's an uneasy and eerie peace that can't be trusted. It's not like Etruria sends Bern back holding its tail between its legs. They remain militarized and are neutral instead of accepting of Etruria's peace treaty because they're waiting. The game couldn't really be much clearer with the situation without outright spoiling the plot.

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7 hours ago, Jotari said:

Zephiel would care about Etruria's protection because, despite being mad, he's not an idiot. He has absolutely not motivation to engage Etruria in a war he has slim chance of winning, especially when he's already infiltrated its court and can seize it by other means.

Would Bern have a small chance of winning though? Etruria is depicted as one of the two superpowers on Elibe but it always came across as the weaker one compared to Bern. That and by the time of FE6 it has fallen into a deep decline while Bern seems more powerful then ever. 

Edited by Etrurian emperor

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