Who is the Best Fire Emblem Waifu?

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7 minutes ago, Ottservia said:

I mean that’s kinda like saying I’m sexist for liking Hatsune Miku or Kasane Teto for thinking they’re cute. I mean they are cute but am I sexist for thinking that

No, I’m not saying that thinking a character is cute is sexist. I meant more in the sense of objectifying a character in a way that reduces their value or significance to little more than their physical appearance.

[Ottservia]

1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said:

No, I’m not saying that thinking a character is cute is sexist. I meant more in the sense of objectifying a character in a way that reduces their value or significance to little more than their physical appearance.

Which is why I used Miku and Teto as examples cause beyond physical appearance those two characters are simply just a robotic voice bank programmed to sing. The fact that you’re supposed to like and “objectify” them solely for their physical appearance is kinda the whole deal. It’s what they’re made for now with that explanation is it sexist to like Miku or Teto for the sole reason that they are cute?

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2 minutes ago, Ottservia said:

Which is why I used Miku and Teto as examples cause beyond physical appearance those two characters are simply just a robotic voice bank programmed to sing. The fact that you’re supposed to like and “objectify” them solely for their physical appearance is kinda the whole deal. It’s what they’re made for now with that explanation is it sexist to like Miku or Teto for the sole reason that they are cute?

Sorry, I guess I’m not explaining myself well. No, I don’t think that liking Miku or Teto for the sole reason of being cute is sexist. Take, for example, Samus Aran in Other M. Samus is a seasoned, no-nonsense bounty hunter whose focus is on maintaining peace for the galaxy in every other Metroid game. But in Other M, her character was reduced to being a demure, subservient maiden in a skintight bodysuit with plenty of camera shots ogling her body throughout. That is what I mean by objectifying a character to the neglect of their actual character or personality traits, instead focusing on their physical appearance. Another example, in my mind at least, is Camilla from Fates. Her design objectifies her so much that whatever actual story or personality she has is lost or wrongly skewed (also due in part to Fates’ writing, but that’s another topic entirely) in favor of pandering to people who want to have their characters be sexual objects. Of course, that is just my perspective and you don’t have to agree.

[Fabulously Olivier]

4 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

Sorry, I guess I’m not explaining myself well. No, I don’t think that liking Miku or Teto for the sole reason of being cute is sexist. Take, for example, Samus Aran in Other M. Samus is a seasoned, no-nonsense bounty hunter whose focus is on maintaining peace for the galaxy in every other Metroid game. But in Other M, her character was reduced to being a demure, subservient maiden in a skintight bodysuit with plenty of camera shots ogling her body throughout. That is what I mean by objectifying a character to the neglect of their actual character or personality traits, instead focusing on their physical appearance. Another example, in my mind at least, is Camilla from Fates. Her design objectifies her so much that whatever actual story or personality she has is lost or wrongly skewed (also due in part to Fates’ writing, but that’s another topic entirely) in favor of pandering to people who want to have their characters be sexual objects. Of course, that is just my perspective and you don’t have to agree.

The truth is somewhere inbetween. The intention of fanservice characters is rarely good, but I think it goes unsaid that there really are women who are very open with their sexuality, and we shouldn't be saying that this is wrong.

 

By saying that sexy characters are bad, we basically imply that those real women with those body types should feel bad.

 

In comparative terms, FE has a LOT of female characters and most of them are good examples of female representation. It actually says a lot that someone like Camilla stands out. In other franchises, Camilla is normal.

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3 minutes ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

The truth is somewhere inbetween. The intention of fanservice characters is rarely good, but I think it goes unsaid that there really are women who are very open with their sexuality, and we shouldn't be saying that this is wrong.

By saying that sexy characters are bad, we basically imply that those real women with those body types should feel bad.

In comparative terms, FE has a LOT of female characters and most of them are good examples of female representation. It actually says a lot that someone like Camilla stands out. In other franchises, Camilla is normal.

Fair point. Manuela is a good example of the first point you made and I think she’s actually a fairly well-written character because of how her writing is handled along with her appearance.

Edited July 31, 2020 by twilitfalchion

[Fabulously Olivier]

1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said:

Fair point. Manuela is a good example of the first point you made and I think she’s actually a fairly well-written character because of it.

And Dorothea. Two examples in one game.

 

Also, possibly Heather? Possibly?

[Ottservia]

1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said:

Sorry, I guess I’m not explaining myself well. No, I don’t think that liking Miku or Teto for the sole reason of being cute is sexist. Take, for example, Samus Aran in Other M. Samus is a seasoned, no-nonsense bounty hunter whose focus is on maintaining peace for the galaxy in every other Metroid game. But in Other M, her character was reduced to being a demure, subservient maiden in a skintight bodysuit with plenty of camera shots ogling her body throughout. That is what I mean by objectifying a character to the neglect of their actual character or personality traits, instead focusing on their physical appearance. Another example, in my mind at least, is Camilla from Fates. Her design objectifies her so much that whatever actual story or personality she has is lost or wrongly skewed (also due in part to Fates’ writing, but that’s another topic entirely) in favor of pandering to people who want to have their characters be sexual objects. Of course, that is just my perspective and you don’t have to agree.

That still doesn’t say anything about sexism necessarily though. Wanna know why 2B has the ass she has? It’s because Yoko Taro was horny that’s it. He even admitted as much in an interview. Hell there’s even a self-destruct button in the game that if you press it you can just take off all of 2B’s clothes for your viewing pleasure. Now is anyone sexist for doing that to her or is Yoko Taro sexist for putting that in the game? Does the fact that 2B has a dumptruck ass that you’re staring at constantly take away from the story’s deep philosophical themes on human morality? I would argue it doesn’t.

if you want other examples look at the persona or fate franchises which have fan service galore. Hell the first arc of Persona 5 deals in sexually abusive student teacher relationships but they put the character that arc centers on in a bikini all the same with camera shots of her ass and tits. Even her phantom thief costume is very sexually charged but I’d argue none of that really takes away from what makes her character great. She’s a character all about wanting to be emotionally stronger to protect her friends and the fanservice surrounding doesn’t or shouldn’t take away from that

[Fabulously Olivier]

5 minutes ago, Ottservia said:

That still doesn’t say anything about sexism necessarily though. Wanna know why 2B has the ass she has? It’s because Yoko Taro was horny that’s it. He even admitted as much in an interview. Hell there’s even a self-destruct button in the game that if you press it you can just take off all of 2B’s clothes for your viewing pleasure. Now is anyone sexist for doing that to her or is Yoko Taro sexist for putting that in the game? Does the fact that 2B has a dumptruck ass that you’re staring at constantly take away from the story’s deep philosophical themes on human morality? I would argue it doesn’t.

if you want other examples look at the persona or fate franchises which have fan service galore. Hell the first arc of Persona 5 deals in sexually abusive student teacher relationships but they put the character that arc centers on in a bikini all the same with camera shots of her ass and tits. Even her phantom thief costume is very sexually charged but I’d argue none of that really takes away from what makes her character great. She’s a character all about wanting to be emotionally stronger to protect her friends and the fanservice surrounding doesn’t or shouldn’t take away from that

We don't talk about that. That arc makes Yusuke look bad, and I don't like that.

 

It's a low point in a very special, heartfelt game.

[Ottservia]

1 minute ago, Fabulously Olivier said:

We don't talk about that. That arc makes Yusuke look bad, and I don't like that.

 

It's a low point in a very special, heartfelt game.

I’m just talking about the beach scene after Futaba’s palace. The only low point in P5 that I can see is Morgana’s little outburst with Okumura’s palace. Madarame’s palace is actually one of the high points if you ask me

[Fabulously Olivier]

The intention with Ann was always to have her embrace and be proud of her sexuality, and that's why her theme is the way it is. Her Persona makes that very clear as soon as she unlocks it.

 

I think they just dropped the ball in certain regards. Because, whoops, Japan seems to have a weird relationship with sexuality.

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All I'm saying is that I think that one attribute shouldn't be overemphasized to the neglect of good writing, as is often the case when characters, male or female, are objectified. But again though, that's my perspective on it and I'm just one guy whose opinions don't count for much in the grand scheme of things.

And that point isn't that closely related to my original comment or the comment I replied to so...

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Lysithea is also another favorite of mine. Her development as seen in multiple supports throughout Three Houses (Byleth especially) is excellent. Definitely one of the top 3H waifus in my opinion.

Edited July 31, 2020 by twilitfalchion

[Mylady]

4 hours ago, Book Bro said:

Just a reminder that reducing all female characters to "waifus" is more than a bit sexist.

I agree that reducing a character to a prize love interest is sexist - be it by the fans, or writters side.

But finding characters cute or having waifus or husbandos, - or in my case discussing playfully who are your "waifus"-  is not sexist, as long you can appreciate other aspects of the characters and games. 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Mylady

[Fabulously Olivier]

4 minutes ago, Mylady said:

I agree that reducing a character to a prize love interest is sexist - be it by the fans, or writters side.

But finding characters cute or having waifus or husbandos, - or in my case discussing playfully who are your "waifus"-  is not sexist, as long you can appreciate other aspects of the characters and games. 

 

I guess the distinction is why you love them, not that you love them? 

 

The same holds true in real life. The reasons for loving someone do matter.

[Ottservia]

49 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

 

All I'm saying is that I think that one attribute shouldn't be overemphasized to the neglect of good writing, as is often the case when characters, male or female, are objectified. But again though, that's my perspective on it and I'm just one guy whose opinions don't count for much in the grand scheme of things.

 

On this I think we can agree. To the degree that that matters is another story entirely. Like my thing is just let creators be horny if they want to. I ain’t calling anyone sexist for liking Nekopara or Senran Kagura even though those games are pretty much just degenerate otaku fetish pandering trash. In the case of nekopara it’s literal porn but I digress.

 

[Silver-Haired Maiden]

I have a legitimate problem with the whole "they're fictional characters so it doesn't matter how I objectify them" mindset. Namely that what is allowed and encouraged in fiction will, over time, leak it's way into being allowed and encouraged in real life because it becomes normalized to people. It's a very fine, slippery line that I think people cross far more often than they should, especially in the JRPG community.

Anyway, on topic I'd hardly say I have a "waifu" or a "husbando" but my favorite girl in the series is Micaiah. Second favorite... probably Petra or Mercedes.

Favorite guy is Dimitri, Felix and Haar tied for second for different reasons.

[TheChoZenOne]

Can we just talk about our waifus and not get off topic lol Having a waifu doesn't objectify anyone. It's just for fun. Its not that serious....

[Sir Gerwald of Vallora]

Alright this might be a bit of a controversial one, but for me, it's got to be Nowi. Now before everyone breaks out thier FBI memes and accusations, it's not because of her being, "a child" which I disagree with anyway; as people have mentioned before, she really is physically closer to a late teenager such as Nino. It was really her character that endeered her to me. I've always been a sucker for compassionate, caring characters that don't have any deep dark secrets and flaws, but instead just want to help people. My favorite supports of hers are the ones in which the authors passed over the playful trope and instead allowed her to show her more mature side. I also have some more personal reasons to be attached to the character, as I was going through a very rough patch of my life when I picked up Awakening, which can really be used to explain a lot of my love for the game.

[TheChoZenOne]

2 hours ago, Sir Gerwald of Vallora said:

Alright this might be a bit of a controversial one, but for me, it's got to be Nowi. Now before everyone breaks out thier FBI memes and accusations, it's not because of her being, "a child" which I disagree with anyway; as people have mentioned before, she really is physically closer to a late teenager such as Nino. It was really her character that endeered her to me. I've always been a sucker for compassionate, caring characters that don't have any deep dark secrets and flaws, but instead just want to help people. My favorite supports of hers are the ones in which the authors passed over the playful trope and instead allowed her to show her more mature side. I also have some more personal reasons to be attached to the character, as I was going through a very rough patch of my life when I picked up Awakening, which can really be used to explain a lot of my love for the game.

That's cute!! Nowi is a wonderful waifu 😁

[♠Soul♠]

On 7/26/2020 at 3:28 PM, TheChoZenOne said:

😉

jesus CHRIST

[TheChoZenOne]

31 minutes ago, Crime and Punishment said:

jesus CHRIST

I know right? 👀💦

[♠Soul♠]

Yeah.

Fuck Cipher.

[TheChoZenOne]

8 minutes ago, Crime and Punishment said:

Yeah.

Fuck Cipher.

I'm not complaining xD

[Mirania]

There are Waifus in Fire Emblem? 😮

[TheChoZenOne]

3 hours ago, Mirania said:

There are Waifus in Fire Emblem? 😮

Uh YES!! Its literally known for waifus 😲

[Mylady]

On 7/31/2020 at 3:58 PM, Fabulously Olivier said:

I guess the distinction is why you love them, not that you love them? 

 

The same holds true in real life. The reasons for loving someone do matter.

More or less this I guess? But the thing is that design is also an important component of a fictional character, so imo it's not fair shaming or calling attention of people for having waifus husbandos, as long they aren't being obnoxious about it.