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I agree with that top five offhand (Reyson is also good, but does join later and plays a different role so is hard to compare), although I think Titania should be higher if that list is in order. I haven't played Maniac but from what I gather that's especially true there.

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It is in order and I can tell you have a high IQ on this game throwing Reyson in the mix, Personally i think Titania is very overrated and is worse on maniac compared to hard, Id argue she might be better than Jill and Marcia on hard mode, but on Maniac her bases do not hold up for late game you need maxed out stats to be able to perform at a high level and Titania rarely reaches them, Every single paladin in the game will have better stats then her and she does not provide a earth affinity like Oscar does which indirectly buffs Kieren as well. Titania is obviously good for many reasons but I think she gets too much credit for being the best unit when Oscar and Kieren are miles ahead in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Dark Holy Elf said:

I agree with that top five offhand (Reyson is also good, but does join later and plays a different role so is hard to compare), although I think Titania should be higher if that list is in order. I haven't played Maniac but from what I gather that's especially true there.

It is in order and I can tell you have a high IQ on this game throwing Reyson in the mix, Personally i think Titania is very overrated and is worse on maniac compared to hard, Id argue she might be better than Jill and Marcia on hard mode, but on Maniac her bases do not hold up for late game you need maxed out stats to be able to perform at a high level and Titania rarely reaches them, Every single paladin in the game will have better stats then her and she does not provide a earth affinity like Oscar does which indirectly buffs Kieren as well. Titania is obviously good for many reasons but I think she gets too much credit for being the best unit when Oscar and Kieren are miles ahead in my opinion.

 

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2 hours ago, FE Dragun said:

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Is okay.

When analyzing the quality of Jeigans, though, we must consider the effort they save in the early game, before Oscar and Kieran achieve notable competency.

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Having played only western HM:

1-3 -  Marcia, Titania, Jill (which is the order I would pick, but I can see arguments for any other one)
4 - Oscar
5 - Reyson
6 - Kieran

After that, I'm already rather unsure how to weigh things. Boyd and Soren have excellent availability and, after a couple levels, great combat. How does that measure up against Astrid or Makalov, who join in the midgame, with more average combat (which means that they're still able to 1v10 enemies) but are mounted?

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43 minutes ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

Is okay.

When analyzing the quality of Jeigans, though, we must consider the effort they save in the early game, before Oscar and Kieran achieve notable competency.

Understandable but in maniac she doesnt hold up (from chapters 22 or 23 till endgame something like that)which is a big chunk of the late game you will find she is not nearly as good as your other trained units, she clearly is necessary for an early part of the game but I just did a Maniac play though and am uploading it with live commentary on my channel of the same name (FE Dragun) I actually got her killed in chapter 8 and am still continuing the Ironman run currently on chapter 27 (ive only uploaded up until chapter 10 so far as im typing this). Oscar has already surpassed her at this point and once Oscar passes her which isnt hard he snowballs uncontrollably as for Kieren it can be debatable but Kieren comes at lvl 12 with good bases and a good join time (CH11) and will most definitely be your best late game unit. Pretty much how it usually works Titania is best unit for chapters 1-9 Oscar from 10-23 and Kieren for late game

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12 minutes ago, ping said:

Having played only western HM:

1-3 -  Marcia, Titania, Jill (which is the order I would pick, but I can see arguments for any other one)
4 - Oscar
5 - Reyson
6 - Kieran

After that, I'm already rather unsure how to weigh things. Boyd and Soren have excellent availability and, after a couple levels, great combat. How does that measure up against Astrid or Makalov, who join in the midgame, with more average combat (which means that they're still able to 1v10 enemies) but are mounted?

I think hard mode and maniac mode are different when discussing a units viability i lean towards an Ironman mentality of how easy it is to keep them alive. On hard mode since its the only version you played (Understandably) I can see your tier list being pretty accurate to a lot of people I still think Oscar Kieren and Titania are better then Marcia and Jill due to growths and Overall Tankyness. but as for after #6 it gets interesting, on hard mode Id say Astrid and Makalov are realllly good. Boyd's growths kinda doo doo I mean 25% defense as a front liner? Thank god he comes so early but he will fall off and has no horse, you will find that you will need to invest a speedwing or something like that to keep Boyd as relevant as other Units. Soren is good but Mist is better Mages arent Mages in this game they are healers that can occasionally stop healing, also Soren has laughable defense Mine had like 8 at Clash on Maniac and I trained the crap out of him. Astrid on hard mode is easy money just poke with bows canto away and pick up some easy kills with paragon she will outpace other units in levels and once she promotes you have another Cavalier with good stats all around that you put minimal effort into.  Makalov is a little harder to use due to his join time and the next map being a desert map which ruins his movement, he will suck for a little bit but use him right in chapter 17 and he can snowball into an amazing cavalier like Kieren, I think Makalov trained for end game is the 2nd best unit behind Kieren. On maniac mode Makalov is insanely hard to get going and Astrid is very easy to get killed, both still very good but a lot harder to use whereas Oscar and Kieren are easier to use on Maniac.

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Oscar barely catches up to base level Titania before promotion. His stats are a bit better, but Titania's +1 move and weapon triangle control make up for that. The claim that Oscar overtakes her as early as chapter 8-10 is dubious at best.

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1 minute ago, ping said:

Oscar barely catches up to base level Titania before promotion. His stats are a bit better, but Titania's +1 move and weapon triangle control make up for that. The claim that Oscar overtakes her as early as chapter 8-10 is dubious at best.

Well Im more going off of Maniac mode the sheer amount of EXP Oscar can get is insane it makes him snowball like crazy where as Titania does not get that EXP like oscar so yes you can use Titania easily to navigate through the early parts but investing it into Oscar will give you a far better unit through the mid game and he surpasses her easily before promotion any Cav leveled to 21 will have better bases than Titania. At Chapter 8 on Maniac Mode my Oscar was level 14 and Titania was Level 4 Oscars stats have surpassed her by alot at this point and the lack of weapon triangle and movement range doesn't really hinder him as much due to map restrictions and the fact its still early game My oscar had maxed damage 20 at level 18 before being able to promote, Titania is safe and reliable top 5 sure but she cant do what Oscar can do, not to mention the very overpowered earth affinity that he shares with Kieren another amazing unit and Ike a must deploy. 

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I haven't played in years, and gotten to about Ch.17-2, but I recall Titania being ridiculously good for like the first 10 chapters or so. I'm not saying it wasn't the case in easier mode, but it's just that in this mode, specifically, she shines way more, like you actually need her, whereas even HM is still pretty easy when you train Ike and then subsequent characters like Boyd and then Oscar.

  • Oscar has a really hard time going, if I recall. Enemies take about 4-5 hits to kill, even with WTA (with Ike). Ike barely dodges, let alone Oscar, who will have a harder time getting to double, and even his Hitrate is pretty iffy times (since earlygame is axe-invested). Boyd has to get Str/Spd ASAP to avoid some of the doubles, and even his durability isn't that good.
  • Pre-promotes are just extra strong for that first part of the game, and Titania still keeps going for a while, since she's getting Exp and doesn't really put it to waste (decent growths).
  • The Thunder tome 255% Crit. bug actually makes mages far stronger. Even though Soren has some of the worst starting moments, he and Ilyana are probably worth using. If you can get their Atk high enough, they'll likely 1HKO consistently without even getting touched. I recall 1-turning the desert chapter with just Ilyana (unpromoted).

 

 

Can't say anything beyond that, other than maybe Lethe and Mordecai also being pretty good (high mobility, solid durablity especially Mordecai).

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10 hours ago, FE Dragun said:

At Chapter 8 on Maniac Mode my Oscar was level 14 and Titania was Level 4 Oscars stats have surpassed her by alot at this point

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I think I'm done here.

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Didn't know a Tier List discussion only deals with five units, a bit more to work with would be preferable.

 

With Titania vs Oscar it is the old question of how high the early game demands to be valued. Titania is crucial there and Oscar needs some level 16 or higher stats to start ORKOing. Titania can also carry herself through 23, if she gets more kills than usual and some statboosters. She is 3-4 stats weaker than the other Paladins and that will show.

While Ocar can promote early, it is better to give the BEXP to Marcia, meaning that he has more trouble surpassing Titania asap.

Kieran is theoretically a good as Oscar minus availability, but again, BEXP will get to Marcia and he can afford to be mediocre for a while and doesn't has to ruh his promotion.

Not assuming forged Thunder Tomes, the mages would be much more potent.

Jill starts with low level and low stats. She needs the BEXP that Marcia already swallowed and a lot of stat boosters. Her having higher max stats doesn't pay of until maybe chapter 25 if at all. Marcia doubling most stuff and having the Resistance to deal with long distance magic is so much better than Jill having a bit more strenght and defense.

Reyson being pure utility and  appearing in the mid game makes him difficult to compare him with mounted combat units.

 

My intuitive take would be Marcia>Oscar>Kieran>Titania>Jill.

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2 hours ago, ping said:

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I think I'm done here.

He could just be new and have no idea we work with average stats. Going by "my titania" vs. "my oscar" could've been a clue. Nothing with not knowing, it's just that we work far better in understanding through a common ground like that, which is more objective next to personal luck.

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2 hours ago, Aircalipoor said:

Didn't know a Tier List discussion only deals with five units, a bit more to work with would be preferable.

 

With Titania vs Oscar it is the old question of how high the early game demands to be valued. Titania is crucial there and Oscar needs some level 16 or higher stats to start ORKOing. Titania can also carry herself through 23, if she gets more kills than usual and some statboosters. She is 3-4 stats weaker than the other Paladins and that will show.

While Ocar can promote early, it is better to give the BEXP to Marcia, meaning that he has more trouble surpassing Titania asap.

Kieran is theoretically a good as Oscar minus availability, but again, BEXP will get to Marcia and he can afford to be mediocre for a while and doesn't has to ruh his promotion.

Not assuming forged Thunder Tomes, the mages would be much more potent.

Jill starts with low level and low stats. She needs the BEXP that Marcia already swallowed and a lot of stat boosters. Her having higher max stats doesn't pay of until maybe chapter 25 if at all. Marcia doubling most stuff and having the Resistance to deal with long distance magic is so much better than Jill having a bit more strenght and defense.

Reyson being pure utility and  appearing in the mid game makes him difficult to compare him with mounted combat units.

 

My intuitive take would be Marcia>Oscar>Kieran>Titania>Jill.

There's too much "others can't use BEXP because it automatically belongs to Marcia" here. If she needs it that much to be good, is it really as worth it to just having a good Oscar out the gate? He dodgetanks and has more durability far sooner than she does.

Other than that, the Top 5 or so doesn't really change much. Astrid is likely somewhat worse, since it's hard to get her going. I'd say mages are far better, and aren't as good as the Top 5 just because they lack a horse or a mount.

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12 hours ago, Julian Teehee said:

It's not a tier list, if the list isn't explained.

Fair enough ill give a detailed explanation for my top 5 and add the rest of the list for Maniac mode and My tier list is based on an Ironman mentality, so characters that die easy arent as good due to survivability issues as well as no forge glitch abuse or tome crit glitch, I also do not include stat boosting items, and I expect you to use maxed damage forged weapons.

1.Oscar - Oscar in Maniac Mode is the totem for your team. Oscar is a staple on any team but what makes him the best unit Is his early join time combined with good growths. Oscar can snowball unlike any other early game character(Due to him being a paladin), If you commit into Oscar which you should since you will use him anyways.  Early game you have a lot of chapters to feed this guy experience and can get Oscar promoted to a paladin around the time Kieren Joins in chapter 11. Being a low level early unit Oscar has potential to get great level ups and spiral out of control whereas Titania is on a more linear path of usually having the same output. Once Oscar promotes to paladin and lets say you didn't get him promoted at chapter 11 lets say chapter 14, thats still 18 chapters of outpacing Titania and Id argue that the last 18 chapters are more important than the first 14.  If thats not enough Oscar has earth affinity which raises EVO by high amounts, can pair it with Ike since both have the great affinity(Pretty much only way Ike does anything till Ragnell), and Kieren who becomes insane due to the overall avoidance gained from being close to Oscar, and yes its crucial when you play Ironman and have to eat 2 long range tome attacks a turn. Oscar will be your best character up until whenever Kieren Stats catch up, then Kieren with the normally higher stats and earth affinity support bonus from Oscar will be one of the toughest units to kill.

2. Kieren - Better Oscar but Joins later! Kieren joins chapter 11 at level 12 and is ready to go out the gate. By the time you get him he can already hold his own and in a short while can take on hoards of enemies. Being a paladin makes you an amazing unit in general especially in this game.  Paladins have it all, they have canto and great stats all around.  Kieren gets Axes which is a sizable early game damage buff, he also comes with rather good bases and great growths. You will find Kieren to be your best Unit late game if supported with Oscar he can tank enemies like crazy and his avoidance is really high so its tough to get him killed.  Kieren will stay ahead of the pack easily being level 12 and having a lot of utility, you will find he is most likely 1 of your earliest promotions due to how much he can contribute. Knights ward also ensures Speed growths and more survivability.  

3. Marcia - She is loved by many and misunderstood by few, Marcia is the standard for a good Pegasus Rider.  Flying and Canto obviously great.  Its hard discussing units because this game on maniac is so hard its almost like comparing who has less flaws.  Marcia is great only issues is ballista's or long range tomes and on maniac mode there are several. The main reason Oscar and Kieren are better than the 2 flying girls is due to them being able to tank everything a lot better and earth affinity. Marcia also has a chance to get strength screwed she is pretty dependent on every strength lvl up to snowball efficiently.  Marcia is great though she is one of few units that can traverse the map as a flyer, can rescue drop, 9 move, really fast and comes at a early enough time to get her going right after Oscar.  Marcia does look like crap at first that cant hit hard but we all know what she turns into once trained.

4. Jill - Tough calling this one due to Jill being overall a lot more tanky than Marcia, but Jill suffers from join time, and getting speed screwed or not being able to double as efficiently as Marcia. If Jill does get good speed growths wow will she devour souls. Jill is very similar to Marcia and looks better on paper but the fact Marcia will always double makes her the better character. Jill hits very hard and is tanky like Cavaliers she just has less speed and HP both are crucial and Oscar and Kieren are rolling at this point before she joins, you cant really snowball with Jill because there are a lot of units to train when she joins but clearly she is great being top 5. 

5. Titania - The Queen herself is a crucial part of the early game and using her correctly can be the difference. It is best to feed kills to Oscar or Soren with Titania, use poleaxe or some other heavy weapon you get early and you will never double so she can feed kills by using that awful weapon. Titania is overpowered first half and falls off heavy late in Maniac mode, Hard Mode she is fine the whole way through. In maniac every stat counts trust me its that tough, you will find your units with maxed out damage and speed fail to even one round most enemies. Titania can just not deal with the late game onslaught like Oscar and Kieren can due to earth affinity and higher stats due to them being trained. Titania has really no flaws other than the massive difficulty curve on Maniac. Titania is also not a unit that can randomly have amazing growths like the top 4, she is on a more set path due to the lack of level ups she receives.  

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10 hours ago, ping said:

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I think I'm done here.

 

10 hours ago, ping said:

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I think I'm done here.

Ok it was more of an example of how Oscar can snowball early not always but can, that has to count for something, and ok look up the stats for when Titania is level 7 and Oscar level 1 Paladin I got Oscar to Paladin at chapter 11 and he clearly out scales her judging by how you use averages to compare units, and lets say it took you to get to chapter 14 to get Oscar Promoted Titania would have to be around lvl 9 at most and there bases are very similar with Oscar having a little less speed and more defense. So id argue that the remaining chapters from 15 on are more important than the previous 14 so its pretty clear Oscar is the better character going off of how you rate characters would he not? I think Im done here 🙂

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9 hours ago, Aircalipoor said:

Didn't know a Tier List discussion only deals with five units, a bit more to work with would be preferable.

My intuitive take would be Marcia>Oscar>Kieran>Titania>Jill.

Ill for sure add more to the list and give detailed explanations.

 

And I see we got the same top 5 they are all great units but I think your favoritism shows a bit with Marcia she is lethal but she cant handle as much attacks as Oscar or Kieren so that is why I think she isnt as good, she cant front line like the red and green rangers

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8 hours ago, Crime and Punishment said:

There's too much "others can't use BEXP because it automatically belongs to Marcia" here. If she needs it that much to be good, is it really as worth it to just having a good Oscar out the gate? He dodgetanks and has more durability far sooner than she does.

Everyone needs/wants the first BEXP dump to snowball. It is much better than distributing it. Kieran could become the best unit in an instant, but giving the bexp to Oscar or Marcia beforehand makes much more sense.

If you want Oscar to be good, you give him all BEXP on chapter 7 to get him to level 17-18. Then he kills stuff there (he can barely ORKO the southern cavaliers  with forged javelin) and then he can reach level 21 halfway in chapter 9 when he is killing all the southern enemies on his way to the boss.

This makes him indeed one of the best units as you all noted. He is already better than Titania with 2 in the important stats and just gets better. I'm not ignoring that and put ranked him second, even above Jill (who has the flying advantage but has trouble reaching certain stats at the right time, especially speed and resistance).

Now why is Marcia better? Because flying and she can mostly mimic his offense. 23 Strength may seem like a low cap, but Oscar isn't surpassing it until level 20/18. He may get a few ORKOs in chapter 26 against those sick Paladins with a forged Silver Lance, but it is a minor thing as a whole (and not reliable, I'd rather let Kieran do it). Her defense isn't lacking behind, either. 20/5 Marcia has 14,75 defense, 20/5 Oscar 17,35. Draco-Shield and Angel Robes help. Marcia has 5 points more Resistance, making her one of the sturdier units against magic attacks. Oscar has to rely on having Ike in reach, which isn't always feasible.

11: Can avoid the hellish passage in the west that are blocked by ton of enemies (takes Oscar a long time to beat them), by flying slightly north over the river.

12: To be fair, even an unpromoted Marcia can kill Seeker fairly quick, but a promoted one can do more stuff.

15: The best unit to reach and kill Muarim, aside form some weird shove strats that get a Laguzslayer or magic unit to him.

17-2: Easy ecape

17-4: Only a flyer can reach the heavily guarded Oliver, the other units have to take the long route to the swamp.

19: Can reach Homasa easier

20: Can skip the whole mountain pass and even if reaching and killing Shiharam with flyers alone is difficult, at the very least she can attack some of the long distcane mages and retreat.

21: Incredible important to have the other units fly over the water, has a better resistance against the sleep users.

23: No issues with the pitfalls

24: Reaching the castle asap is top priority. She can dodge fairly reliable, considering that maniac mode enemies mostly use steel weapons and javelins.
 

1 hour ago, FE Dragun said:

Marcia is great only issues is ballista's or long range tomes and on maniac mode there are several.

25: Pretty obvious. She can attack and retreat, beating many long distance enemies. Regarding the quote, arrow weakness is almost never an issue as the Full Guard comes before ballisticas and wind magic become an actual threat.

Finale: Can transfer Ike to Ashnard with little issues.

 

Oscar being better in an iron man run because of earth avoid, sun and better HP, I can see that and I would let him snail through the game then. Iron Man isn't my criteria, if there are some risky strats to low turn a chapter fairly reliable within a very short time for each approach, I would go for it. Enemies in maniac mode have still hit issues and dodge tanking is a thing.

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41 minutes ago, Aircalipoor said:

Everyone needs/wants the first BEXP dump to snowball. It is much better than distributing it. Kieran could become the best unit in an instant, but giving the bexp to Oscar or Marcia beforehand makes much more sense.

If you want Oscar to be good, you give him all BEXP on chapter 7 to get him to level 17-18. Then he kills stuff there (he can barely ORKO the southern cavaliers  with forged javelin) and then he can reach level 21 halfway in chapter 9 when he is killing all the southern enemies on his way to the boss.

This makes him indeed one of the best units as you all noted. He is already better than Titania with 2 in the important stats and just gets better. I'm not ignoring that and put ranked him second, even above Jill (who has the flying advantage but has trouble reaching certain stats at the right time, especially speed and resistance).

Now why is Marcia better? Because flying and she can mostly mimic his offense. 23 Strength may seem like a low cap, but Oscar isn't surpassing it until level 20/18. He may get a few ORKOs in chapter 26 against those sick Paladins with a forged Silver Lance, but it is a minor thing as a whole (and not reliable, I'd rather let Kieran do it). Her defense isn't lacking behind, either. 20/5 Marcia has 14,75 defense, 20/5 Oscar 17,35. Draco-Shield and Angel Robes help. Marcia has 5 points more Resistance, making her one of the sturdier units against magic attacks. Oscar has to rely on having Ike in reach, which isn't always feasible.

11: Can avoid the hellish passage in the west that are blocked by ton of enemies (takes Oscar a long time to beat them), by flying slightly north over the river.

12: To be fair, even an unpromoted Marcia can kill Seeker fairly quick, but a promoted one can do more stuff.

15: The best unit to reach and kill Muarim, aside form some weird shove strats that get a Laguzslayer or magic unit to him.

17-2: Easy ecape

17-4: Only a flyer can reach the heavily guarded Oliver, the other units have to take the long route to the swamp.

19: Can reach Homasa easier

20: Can skip the whole mountain pass and even if reaching and killing Shiharam with flyers alone is difficult, at the very least she can attack some of the long distcane mages and retreat.

21: Incredible important to have the other units fly over the water, has a better resistance against the sleep users.

23: No issues with the pitfalls

24: Reaching the castle asap is top priority. She can dodge fairly reliable, considering that maniac mode enemies mostly use steel weapons and javelins.
 

25: Pretty obvious. She can attack and retreat, beating many long distance enemies. Regarding the quote, arrow weakness is almost never an issue as the Full Guard comes before ballisticas and wind magic become an actual threat.

Finale: Can transfer Ike to Ashnard with little issues.

 

Oscar being better in an iron man run because of earth avoid, sun and better HP, I can see that and I would let him snail through the game then. Iron Man isn't my criteria, if there are some risky strats to low turn a chapter fairly reliable within a very short time for each approach, I would go for it. Enemies in maniac mode have still hit issues and dodge tanking is a thing.

I think you nailed Marcia's strengths to a T but you are not acknowledging her lack of front lining ability which goes hand in hand with receiving exp and snowballing, Marcia is simply a lethal offensive Unit that will most likely be the best up until last couple chapters (at killing), Jill with A axes and higher damage and Speed destroys Marcia but its not a for sure thing with Jill whereas I feel Marcia is very Consistent in doubling, Marcia isnt stopping the 10 Wyvern Lords on Maniac mode rushing you with all silver on clash where as Units Like Oscar, Kieren, and Gatrie can handle them, Im not saying that makes her bad I just think she cant do as much as Oscar or Kieren on the defensive end and its not like Oscar and Kieren have a problem with offense, its not like they cant start running amok on the enemy lines just like Marcia just little more restricted. In summary Marcia is #1 in offense for the majority of the play through but her lack of defense holds her back from being taking the top spot. And I dont expect everyone to Ironman but when Discussing a units tier in the game I think survivability should be a big factor 

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On 7/31/2020 at 12:39 PM, FE Dragun said:

It is in order and I can tell you have a high IQ on this game throwing Reyson in the mix, Personally i think Titania is very overrated and is worse on maniac compared to hard, Id argue she might be better than Jill and Marcia on hard mode, but on Maniac her bases do not hold up for late game you need maxed out stats to be able to perform at a high level and Titania rarely reaches them, Every single paladin in the game will have better stats then her and she does not provide a earth affinity like Oscar does which indirectly buffs Kieren as well. Titania is obviously good for many reasons but I think she gets too much credit for being the best unit when Oscar and Kieren are miles ahead in my opinion.

 

Sorry For double posting Im learning how to use Serenes Forest Im new haha

I honestly think this is a tough sell because in general, being good early on is looked at as being better than being good late. 

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1 minute ago, Shadow Mir said:

I honestly think this is a tough sell because in general, being good early on is looked at as being better than being good late. 

Thats not the case for Maniac mode in this game the enemies are just as strong as you in the last handful of chapters from 22 on this game does not hold back anything, and Oscar passes Titania around chapters 11-14 which is still early game I think Serenes Forest chapter 17 seperates boys from Men and Titania will end up being dragged along in the final chapters. Titania is good early but if you kill everything with her its a pitfall and you hinder your other units that need the EXP as soon as possible to surpass her and snowball which isnt that hard not saying you shouldnt use her but she gets almost the same exp as weakening a unit for Oscar or Soren to kill. So you can strengthen them together but if you lost Oscar at chapter 20 you'd poop your pants where as if Titania died youd say well atleast I still have my core of Oscar Kieren Marcia and Jill who I have trained and passed Titania.

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Titania is hardly being competed against in all those first chapters, and it really takes Oscar a while to get going unless you're deliberately going out of your way to get him all those kills and Exp, which makes it easier to neglect the rest of your team (especially detrimental in MM, where there are like twice the amount of enemies). He definitely ends up better, but my point is that, at the end of the day, no one is competing against Titania for like 8 chapters straight, while Marcia/Oscar/Kieran/Jill are all competing against each other past that with the only real difference between them is having or not having flight.

Titania is easily the best character in the game in probably the hardest part of the game. You essentially need her, while past these points of the game, you can wing it with other characters and not really need to have to use Marcia, Oscar, Kieran or Jill.

I also don't recall BEXP being that huge until that jailbreak chapter (assuming you do things right)...

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29 minutes ago, FE Dragun said:

Thats not the case for Maniac mode in this game the enemies are just as strong as you in the last handful of chapters from 22 on this game does not hold back anything, and Oscar passes Titania around chapters 11-14 which is still early game I think Serenes Forest chapter 17 seperates boys from Men and Titania will end up being dragged along in the final chapters. Titania is good early but if you kill everything with her its a pitfall and you hinder your other units that need the EXP as soon as possible to surpass her and snowball which isnt that hard not saying you shouldnt use her but she gets almost the same exp as weakening a unit for Oscar or Soren to kill. So you can strengthen them together but if you lost Oscar at chapter 20 you'd poop your pants where as if Titania died youd say well atleast I still have my core of Oscar Kieren Marcia and Jill who I have trained and passed Titania.

You make it sound as though if I lose Oscar or Kieran late, that's as crippling, if not more so than losing Titania would be early on. That's bull. The earliest chapters in FE games tend to be the hardest ones, because you don't have the tools that you'd have later on. Even if those other characters you mentioned outclass her later on, that ain't enough to upend the fact that Titania is top dog in the hardest part of the game.

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